Kampfgruppe Krause at the Falaise Gate
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 01:39 AM UTC
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Those mini-art tiles look the part. And remember, you don't want the focus on the roof, but on the road area, right....
Exactly. I sometimes get bogged down in details.
J
But if they're too wrong, then they become the focus.
These look fine Jerry, don't worry 
One thing you might liek to include are the little latches that hold open the shutters. If you do a Google image search for "arręt volet tęte femme" you'll see the most common type (a lady's head with a hat on it). Challenging in 1/35th...... 
Cheers
Sean
Thanks for the tips buddy. I will give it a shot but I think in 1/35 you really can't see what the hook stop looks like. I think I can be pretty general there but it is a great detail. Any idea what the rain gutters were made from ? Tin ? Copper? The gutters that came with the Miniart set were waaay too big so I used the downspout parts for the gutter and made the downspout out of plastic rod. I will add the last portion at the bottom when the building is added to its' base.
J
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 01:50 AM UTC
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Any idea what the rain gutters were made from ? Tin ? Copper?
Here gutters are usually made from zinc which is normally used unpainted and will develop a protective patina that protects the zinc gutter from weathering and corrosion.
H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 03:22 AM UTC
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Any idea what the rain gutters were made from ? Tin ? Copper?
Here gutters are usually made from zinc which is normally used unpainted and will develop a protective patina that protects the zinc gutter from weathering and corrosion.
H.P.
So sort of a medium/light gray after age?
J
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 01:23 PM UTC
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So sort of a medium/light gray after age?
J
I guess so. Here's an old zinc coal bucket :
H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 06:21 PM UTC
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So sort of a medium/light gray after age?
J
I guess so. Here's an old zinc coal bucket :
H.P.
Yep,perfect ref pic. It is what I imagined. Medium gray with the oxidation looking like a light gray powder sort of.
Thanks man !
J
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 01:41 AM UTC
The building looks great so far Jerry, niceee!
Admittedly curious as to the layout's final positioning,
but I'm patient...
Cheers
Dave
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But I know none, and therefore am no beast."
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 08:39 AM UTC
Thanks Dave,it will make more sense eventually though,you'll have to truest me I guess !
Here is a quick snap. Added the stops for the shutters as per Seans' excellent advice and painted a "zinc-like" color on the drainspout. The old ad posters and street number were also put on a stressed up a bit. Sean will have to forgive me but these were te only posters I had !
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 08:14 AM UTC
I got some time to blend the building into the base and also begin th painting and weathering of the blending.
I had re-checked the original pic and the ground layout indicated a wider place next to the house in the roadway so I added that and made a terrace. It's just an educated guess because the real pic doesn't show this area.
The lower stonework is still not dry so it looks a bit darker than the upper stones.
The blending on the buildings front included some greenish tint from the years of dampness,just like the bottom of the side.
Smallish update but it was fun to build this part.
J
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 09:30 AM UTC
Hi Jerry - beautiful work as always! Your building is coming right along. I must give you a special tip-o-the-brush for your seamless multi-save on your large wall sign - you tie it together so well, no one would ever guess you changed it! And that stonework - man, really nice!! You do so much exceptional work on figures, that I forgot - you do it all really well!
Thanks for the update - and keep building!
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 11:49 AM UTC
Hi Jerry ,
I agree what Nick said and you are getting better and better in creating houses on small scale .
Kurt
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 06:43 PM UTC
Nick and Kurt,
Thanks so much guys for the words of encouragement.
I hadn't intended this dio to be so involved but it is what it is. I am challenging myself with some new stuff and having fun so far. So I will continue !
Thanks again,
J
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 03:30 PM UTC
Great progress Jerry – maybe some rain-staining off window frames & downpipe, rust streaks from the shutter hinges? Although knowing you they were already on the list...if we all keep on like this you might be done with the wall by 2019
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 04:15 PM UTC
Nice work Jerry , I always love how you replicate actual scenes from real life events from the past .
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 08:09 PM UTC
Thanks guys. Yes,this has taken a while now with not much result. I haven't been at the bench much because of other things going on.
I was wondering if Sean or Frenchie had any pics of the kind of utility pole that is at the corner of "my" house? I have googled my butt off and can only find modern ones.
J
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 10:42 PM UTC
Everything those guys said / Jerry!
Looks to be coming along fine, will be watching for more updates as you've got me hooked dude. How many total figures are planned, the 3-4 manning the gun?
Cheers
Dave
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 11:10 PM UTC
Thanks Dave,for the nice remarks. Looks like 7 figures total so far. The Krause Abt was pretty thin on the ground at this point so I don't wanna over do it.
J
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 11:34 PM UTC
Excellent, understood. I appreciate your striving for as close to 100% accuracy as possible. Just really enjoy viewing your mini-men and all that you put into your projects.
Regards Dave
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 11:37 PM UTC
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Excellent, understood. I appreciate your striving for as close to 100% accuracy as possible. Just really enjoy viewing your mini-men and all that you put into your projects.
Regards Dave
Nice of you to say buddy. And I do enjoy my mini men being "viewed" so it's a win win !
Thanks again man,
J
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 03:37 PM UTC
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I was wondering if Sean or Frenchie had any pics of the kind of utility pole that is at the corner of "my" house? I have googled my butt off and can only find modern ones.
Hello Jerry
Looking at the photo from '44 it looks like a standard wooden pole. The alternative (concrete) wouldn't be as "wobbly" in profile as that in the picture.
For the metal frame at the top, a look further out of town at the famous Maultier pictures such as here:
http://www.dday-overlord.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/08_falaise_1944_bataille_normandie-1.jpg.... the big house on the right appears to have a similar frame but unfortunately not that clear.
I "drove" down the road using Street View in the hope that one or more houses would have retained a similar frame but unless I missed one they've gone. Same for the southern end of town, the other "old" bit.
Sorry can't be of more help. I'll keep looking.
Otherwise, nice work with the down pipe, stonework etc (particulalry like the green tint at the bottom
), but..... there is one thing that bother sme a little.
I'm sorry I didn't notice it earlier, it may be a bit late to fix. The shutters, when closed, should be flush with the wall rather than proud. They fit into the window opening. This of course limits the amount of rain dripping in and the exposure of the edges of the shutters during inclement weather.
Cheers
Sean
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 06:22 PM UTC
OK,Sean,
Thanks so much for the effort. I had the same problem. I will have to pull out some of my Panzerwrecks books from Normandy and check them for utility pole shots.
Thanks for the comments as well. I also noticed the shutter thing but too late,as they are super glued on and would damage the plaster to remove them now. Lesson learned though.
I did think the pole looked too curvy for concrete or metal but wanted to check.
I began adding veggies yesterday in any event.
Sean,I was wondering what part of the town the Maultier was photographed in ? Because of the sign,I assume at the city edge ? Could this be the road coming from Caen,looking toward the city of Falaise ? If so,this is the view the Canadians would see right before they turned the corner to the left and were in range of my AT gun. That would be very very cool.
Hope everyone is having a nice day despite the bad news from NYC.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 08:38 PM UTC
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Sean,I was wondering what part of the town the Maultier was photographed in ? Because of the sign,I assume at the city edge ? Could this be the road coming from Caen,looking toward the city of Falaise ? If so,this is the view the Canadians would see right before they turned the corner to the left and were in range of my AT gun. That would be very very cool.
Jerry,
Thanks to he Street View car being nicely placed here's a current view which matches this image quite well:
It's about 350 metres before (from the Canadian perspective) the bend in the road.
Cheers
Sean
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 09:38 PM UTC
Yes !! Outstanding. I now have both sides of the small battle covered as it were. One wonders what happened to the "Mule" and what unit it belonged to. Maybe even 12SS ?
Thanks man,really appreciate the keyboard recon.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 11:13 PM UTC
Talking about the pole, I wonder if the square frame at the top would be similar to the one shown in this other Falaise picture :
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 - 01:05 AM UTC
Yes,the style is very similar. I may go with it.
J
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Posted: Thursday, November 02, 2017 - 09:43 PM UTC
Here is a long view of the north side of the base with the cut out showing up nicely.
Thanks for looking,
J
