After living in Germany during my childhood and seeing all the German models having the outside box swastikas blacked out, and ever kit being opended and having its decals dissected of the symbols also.

Not far fetched to me.

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After living in Germany during my childhood and seeing all the German models having the outside box swastikas blacked out, and ever kit being opended and having its decals dissected of the symbols also.

Not far fetched to me.

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In germany we thankfully have the paragraph 86/86a StGB (German Criminal Laws) that basically forbids the use and sale of symbols like the swastika, sieg-runes and other Nazi crap AND have nice penalties. The use of that crappy symbols is only allowed in a very limited (and clearly defined) context and models are luckily not among the useages (Museum pieces IF the context is educational are an exception).

Let's see.


What's the problem?

/ Robin

When you think about it, few WW2 vehicles actually have swastikas on them. Also, most Wehrmacht soldiers did not have swastikas on their clothing either. I assume other than national flags, they'd only be seen on Party members and the like.

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Let's see.


What's the problem?

/ Robin

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So they do still make them, but you have to look for them. I wonder how many Chinese modelers actually make these vehicles, and in what settings.

I admit, I am a little curious about this topic as well. I was able to purchase twos sets of the Archer, Islamic Insurgent Flags Syria & Iraq, also known as ISIS Flags. I have a project I would like to do, with a technical, but am not sure how offensive showing the flag would be.

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After living in Germany during my childhood and seeing all the German models having the outside box swastikas blacked out, and ever kit being opended and having its decals dissected of the symbols also.

Not far fetched to me.

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In germany we thankfully have the paragraph 86/86a StGB (German Criminal Laws) that basically forbids the use and sale of symbols like the swastika, sieg-runes and other Nazi crap AND have nice penalties. The use of that crappy symbols is only allowed in a very limited (and clearly defined) context and models are luckily not among the useages (Museum pieces IF the context is educational are an exception).

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When you think about it, few WW2 vehicles actually have swastikas on them. Also, most Wehrmacht soldiers did not have swastikas on their clothing either. I assume other than national flags, they'd only be seen on Party members and the like.

... Also, most Wehrmacht soldiers did not have swastikas on their clothing either...

This whole Political Correctness C**p and social disease is utter nonsense and yet only seems to be raised and debated within the AFV modelling circles and invariably regarding SS and Nazi stuff (never a mention of cuddly old 'Uncle Joe's' red star armour or units as he / they never hurt a soul!)

I mean, you never see these debates or expressions of angst within the figure community where I also model discussing whether a magnificently painted figure or bust of, say, Genghis Khan is 'inappropriate' because his hordes killed millions or likewise of someone like Julius Caesar because he effectively committed genocide in ancient Gaul.

Let's just build our models and figures chaps and enjoy the hobby for what it is and leave the 'theology' and 'ethics' of it all to the teenaged kids - where everything thus far in their lives has been "free" - propping up the student union bars into the early hours and whilst convincing themselves mid diatribe of their moral superiority.

Gary

The german 86/86a StGB is a LOT older than "Political Correctness". And it does cover a lot more than the Nazis. EVERY organisation that was ruled illegeal by germanies highest court (and believe me you have to work REALLY hard to get that "honor") is covered. And when it comes to Nazis it covers not only the Swastica but also a number of unit symbols, greetings, songs etc.

Btw: That is also the reason the Red Star is not illegal - the UdSSR is not an organisation. The Kommunist Party in D was AND is illegal.

Given that the Allies sadly left a viable breeding population of Nazis intact in germany the 86/86a is a much needed and finally much used law these days (The record is over a hundered cases opened in one day on a Nazi concert recently)

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After living in Germany during my childhood and seeing all the German models having the outside box swastikas blacked out, and ever kit being opended and having its decals dissected of the symbols also.

Not far fetched to me.

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In germany we thankfully have the paragraph 86/86a StGB (German Criminal Laws) that basically forbids the use and sale of symbols like the swastika, sieg-runes and other Nazi crap AND have nice penalties. The use of that crappy symbols is only allowed in a very limited (and clearly defined) context and models are luckily not among the useages (Museum pieces IF the context is educational are an exception).

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When you think about it, few WW2 vehicles actually have swastikas on them. Also, most Wehrmacht soldiers did not have swastikas on their clothing either. I assume other than national flags, they'd only be seen on Party members and the like.