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No love for the M114 APC!!
m75
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 04:17 AM UTC
Hey, I moved from C Co to the Scout platoon in CSC in 76, stayed there until re-upping in 78 for MOS change to 95B. I'd like to remember the 1SG name. Also, you remember SGT Pete Holtz?
HermannB
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 05:44 AM UTC
If there are so many M114`s in front of a VFW post, why don`t anyone grabs his camera, a college block, a pen and a measuring
tape. Just ask the VFW personal for permission to take measure- ments and getting on top of the track. I think that 500 + pics should be enough. Than contact companies like Panda, Trumpeter, Tiger Model etc. via Facebook and offer the materials. No easier way to get "your" own model kit.
tape. Just ask the VFW personal for permission to take measure- ments and getting on top of the track. I think that 500 + pics should be enough. Than contact companies like Panda, Trumpeter, Tiger Model etc. via Facebook and offer the materials. No easier way to get "your" own model kit.
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KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 10:48 PM UTC
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No love for the M114 APC!!
Probably because people keep calling it an APC.
KL
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 11:30 PM UTC
Old M114's never die, they just enlist in the local police forces 
More pics
This one is training for car chasing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYzHEDneFU
H.P.
More pics
This one is training for car chasing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYzHEDneFU
H.P.
JavierDeLuelmo
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 08:02 AM UTC
M114 and Lynx... I'd love to get both of these in plastic!
18Bravo
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 11:48 AM UTC
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If there are so many M114`s in front of a VFW post, why don`t anyone grabs his camera, a college block, a pen and a measuring
tape. Just ask the VFW personal for permission to take measure- ments and getting on top of the track. I think that 500 + pics should be enough. Than contact companies like Panda, Trumpeter, Tiger Model etc. via Facebook and offer the materials. No easier way to get "your" own model kit.
As usual, the work been been done for a while. This trick was finding a company interested in it.
Neo
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 03:33 PM UTC
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I was a platoon leader in 1/11 (Mech) Infantry, 4th ID (Mech), at Ft Carson in 1973/74.
Apparently Mr Disney was correct:
It is a small world after all...
I was in the Recon Plt., CSC Co few years later.
All M113 when I got there, 114's were all on the bad side of the tank range...
Neo
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 03:37 PM UTC
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As usual, the work been been done for a while. This trick was finding a company interested in it.
It's a simple shape.
I could draw that in CAD. IF a had a few scaled dwg's to start with.
The AA ones is about $120.
Shapeways prob. be similar.
Sabot
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
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There used to be one parked outside the armory in Ludlow Vt. But it has been a few years since I drove that way having moved 30 miles north.
I remember that one. It was there when I enlisted in the Guard in 1983. There's one at the city park where I live now. I remember the berm at TTVI at Graf was M114 parked and buried where we shot from.
Bravo36
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2018 - 11:34 AM UTC
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I was a platoon leader in 1/11 (Mech) Infantry, 4th ID (Mech), at Ft Carson in 1973/74.
Apparently Mr Disney was correct:
It is a small world after all...
I was in the Recon Plt., CSC Co few years later.
All M113 when I got there, 114's were all on the bad side of the tank range...
Hi Tom,
I still remember the M113 as the ultimate ATV. And despite eating dust all the time they were better than walking!
The 1/11 was just back from Vietnam Nam when I was in Bravo Co. we were rebuilding under the new ‘all volunteer Army.’
Take care, you old Iron Horseman!
AmTrac1833
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 12:44 AM UTC
We're overdue for some Cold War armor, especially those overlooked platforms. I wouldnt mind adding an M75, M59, M84 or LVTP6 to my build cue.
BootsDMS
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 12:46 AM UTC
I too have the Accurate Armour kit in my stash and this thread has prompted me to re-look at it; to be honest I'm somewhat daunted by the tracks, but it does look an interesting little vehicle and my plans would be for the MASSTER scheme I think.
Any thought out there on how this resin kit works out - especially the tracks?
Brian
Any thought out there on how this resin kit works out - especially the tracks?
Brian
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 03:53 AM UTC
Having built many of Accurate Armour's full resin kits (AS-90, Centurions, Abbott, etc.) all I can tell you is to just dig in. The instructions generally show all the smaller parts in place. Use phonographs of the real thing to help you. Cleanup is sometimes even easier because the pour plugs can often be where you won't see traces of them, unlike the multiple sprue attachment points you'll find on plastic kits. If you you haven't seen my other posts on the subject, use nippers for a majority of your cleanup - no dust. You can finish the cleanup on most of the parts by wet sanding on something like a granite counter top.
Again, no dust.
You can induce a gentle sag in the tracks with a blow dryer.
Again, no dust.
You can induce a gentle sag in the tracks with a blow dryer.
BootsDMS
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 06:33 AM UTC
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Having built many of Accurate Armour's full resin kits (AS-90, Centurions, Abbott, etc.) all I can tell you is to just dig in. The instructions generally show all the smaller parts in place. Use phonographs of the real thing to help you. Cleanup is sometimes even easier because the pour plugs can often be where you won't see traces of them, unlike the multiple sprue attachment points you'll find on plastic kits. If you you haven't seen my other posts on the subject, use nippers for a majority of your cleanup - no dust. You can finish the cleanup on most of the parts by wet sanding on something like a granite counter top.
Again, no dust.
You can induce a gentle sag in the tracks with a blow dryer.
Robert,
Many thanks; as I suspected, simply a matter of (modelling) courage!
Again, my thanks.
Brian
m75
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 02:00 AM UTC
I had pretty good luck with this AA kit
m75
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 02:02 AM UTC
Waiting for final detail painting of periscopes and vision blocks.
DG0542
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 02:21 AM UTC
I remember see the first one, was outside the CT Army National Guard Armory in Brandford Ct. It is now the home of a 102nd Infantry Company. It was home of A Troop 1st Squadron 26th Cavalry at one time. It was painted in Summer Verdant MERDEC. I remember one of the issues with the M114 was it had an issue with trenching.
BootsDMS
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 02:52 AM UTC
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Waiting for final detail painting of periscopes and vision blocks.
Ah, the best of inspiration: someone's build!
Thanks Jim.
Brian
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 03:12 AM UTC
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I remember one of the issues with the M114 was it had an issue with trenching.
Protruding hull + underpowered engine =
H.P.
tankerken6011
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 12:53 PM UTC
When were you there (Ft Knox) for training, and what unit? I was there for OSUT Sep. thru Dec 1980, A co, 2nd Bn 1st Training Bg (A-2-1), 19F.
Ken.
Ken.
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 02:29 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI remember one of the issues with the M114 was it had an issue with trenching.
Protruding hull + underpowered engine =
H.P.
nothing really wrong with the Chevy 283 engine, other than a lack of low end torque. The real issue was that it was a useless personnel carrier, and even worse as a scout/recon track. Then you add into the equation the grand idea of using gasoline for fuel. Should have been diesel powered from the start, but even then the rest of the power rain was too weak.
In the combat zone, I saw piles of them. Most looked like they'd been opened up with a giant can opener. I think I saw two actually in use (ARVN), and they seemed to be running OK. Yet something like an RPG or even a LAW would have turned it into toast.
gary
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 06:12 PM UTC
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Talking about small obsolete APCs, I'm drawing a blank, but that small West German APC that was fielded before the Marder IFV entered service, would be a nice addition to any Cold War collection as well... IMHO!!
The small german APC/IFV (it was armed with a 20mm Hispano-Suzia Canon in the base version) was this one:
Schützenpanzer SPz 11-2 Kurz
Despite the name (that hints at an IFV) it is more a light scout vehicle carrying some dismounts. It's replacement was mainly the 8-wheeled Luchs
The "real" IFV of the time was this:
Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30
The main thing THAT beast was good for was a nice political scandal...
The one I was thinking about was the Schützenpanzer "LANG," HS-30. When Revell of Germany came out with their Jadgpanzer Kanone, I thought that this would would have been a follow kit, using the Jadgpanzer kanone hull.
I too would love to see the M59 and the M75 APCs as well.
Hi Tee Bes,
Yes, you have my support!
It would be outstanding to see plastic kits of the M59 or the M75!!! But Please with the correct interior!
I like the M75, in particular being build as a Belgium vehicle. Until 1983/1984 it was used by the BE Mech Inf BN, until the AIFV was fielded.
Even then, it soldiered-on with BE Armored Engineer Companies to the early nineties!
Tee Bee, the HS-30 Spz-lang hull and running gear was different to the Kanonen/Raketenjagdpanzer.
The HS-30 had been designed by Hispano-Suiza, a Swiss Company. It's hull was completely different! Smaller and shorter, and the same applied to the running gear. Not to mention the technical interior differences.
The KaJaPa und the RaJaPa had been designed by Hentschel-Rheinmetall with a DB diesel engine.
Yes, I would really like to see a plastic kit of the M114! Some moons ago I had build the Accurate Armour kit, the one from the late eighties. It would be cool, if one had the choice between the three variations. And an interior should be mandatory!
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BootsDMS
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Posted: Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 09:09 PM UTC
Chaps,
I agree that we are long overdue an HS 30 APC in plastic; I would have thought that if anyone was going to produce it, it would be Revell of Germany; even if it was made in their horrible green plastic I would snap one up! perhaps they are indeed working on one.
Just for info there is a resin M75 available from Retrokit:
https://retrokitonline.net/product/m75-full-track
I have one in my stash but have only tinkered with it (story of my life) and whilst it will need a bit of work, will, I'm sure, turn out fine. I have earmarked some injected running gear and AFV Club M41 tracks for it.
The M59 too would be an interesting kit if only to display with those M103s, and M48s of what I always think of as more or less, the early Cold War period.
But where does such a wish list stop? Then we'd all be clamouring for figures to populate these and figures from the 70s let alone the 50s and 60s are hard to identify or even convert (though I've had success).
Just to add - what about the YP 408 - apologies for hijacking the thread somewhat - but this one's always been of interest to me.
Anyway, as modellers we're pretty much spoiled these days so who knows? Some manufacturer out there may spark! Let's face it, we never thought we'd get a FV 432 in plastic - or at least I didn't.
Brian
I agree that we are long overdue an HS 30 APC in plastic; I would have thought that if anyone was going to produce it, it would be Revell of Germany; even if it was made in their horrible green plastic I would snap one up! perhaps they are indeed working on one.
Just for info there is a resin M75 available from Retrokit:
https://retrokitonline.net/product/m75-full-track
I have one in my stash but have only tinkered with it (story of my life) and whilst it will need a bit of work, will, I'm sure, turn out fine. I have earmarked some injected running gear and AFV Club M41 tracks for it.
The M59 too would be an interesting kit if only to display with those M103s, and M48s of what I always think of as more or less, the early Cold War period.
But where does such a wish list stop? Then we'd all be clamouring for figures to populate these and figures from the 70s let alone the 50s and 60s are hard to identify or even convert (though I've had success).
Just to add - what about the YP 408 - apologies for hijacking the thread somewhat - but this one's always been of interest to me.
Anyway, as modellers we're pretty much spoiled these days so who knows? Some manufacturer out there may spark! Let's face it, we never thought we'd get a FV 432 in plastic - or at least I didn't.
Brian
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Posted: Friday, July 27, 2018 - 01:45 AM UTC
Bryan,
Yes, you right!
Retrokit offer a resin kit of the M75; BUT, it's rudimentary. No hatches to open,and as mentioned by you it will need AFV Club's M41/M42 running gear and their M41 track!
On the other hand; I attend model shows at Belgium, at least once a year at Mol.
And I saw the Retrokit M75 build there,!
Talking to the Belgian modelers, I was told, to build the kit won't be a joy! A lot of improvements are necessary.
Showing the kit with all hatches open, requires to make them by yourself, not to mention the approach to build the interior of Evergreen profiles.
Yes, it can be done!
Some moons ago I had build the AFV Club AIFV PC (poste commandement) interior, as the YPR 765 of AFV Club as a Netherlands company commander's vehicle, with the M26 cupola,and interior.
It was fun to build, BUT - it took months to finish both kits.
BTW - the M26 cupola is the same used with the CDN Lynx and the M114A1.
Back to the subject! I would like to see the M75 in plastic with interior.
Greetings
Hauke
Yes, you right!
Retrokit offer a resin kit of the M75; BUT, it's rudimentary. No hatches to open,and as mentioned by you it will need AFV Club's M41/M42 running gear and their M41 track!
On the other hand; I attend model shows at Belgium, at least once a year at Mol.
And I saw the Retrokit M75 build there,!
Talking to the Belgian modelers, I was told, to build the kit won't be a joy! A lot of improvements are necessary.
Showing the kit with all hatches open, requires to make them by yourself, not to mention the approach to build the interior of Evergreen profiles.
Yes, it can be done!
Some moons ago I had build the AFV Club AIFV PC (poste commandement) interior, as the YPR 765 of AFV Club as a Netherlands company commander's vehicle, with the M26 cupola,and interior.
It was fun to build, BUT - it took months to finish both kits.
BTW - the M26 cupola is the same used with the CDN Lynx and the M114A1.
Back to the subject! I would like to see the M75 in plastic with interior.
Greetings
Hauke
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