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M-110 , M-107 the trailer used to tow the Ammo,Huey in 1/35 scale.Better M 551, Gasoline truck.


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Tamiya and RFM are doing the Sheridan again. The Tamiya looks to be RVN issue, there maybe one issue. Won't comment till I have the kit in my hands. The RFM kit is really ODS, but looks like everything is in the box to build an earlier version. I'll get both kits.

I never saw the trailer used with the M110 / M107. I have seen one or two very large open trailers used by 155 outfits. Most gasoline I saw moved was via blivit, but have seen three or four eighteen wheelers in convoys. We need the rubber blivits in all sizes!!
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Like your Ideas Gary, did not Verlinden do a Rubber bladder in 1/35 scale?

Blivit is 10 pounds in a 9 pound bag.

This trailer.



Used along with the M-107's and M-110s as you know.


And this gas tanker.



Trailer I would like in plastic. M-332



And oops somebody has some digging to do.

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M-110 , M-107 the trailer used to tow the Ammo,Huey in 1/35 scale.Better M 551, Gasoline truck.


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Tamiya and RFM are doing the Sheridan again. The Tamiya looks to be RVN issue, there maybe one issue. Won't comment till I have the kit in my hands. The RFM kit is really ODS, but looks like everything is in the box to build an earlier version. I'll get both kits.

I never saw the trailer used with the M110 / M107. I have seen one or two very large open trailers used by 155 outfits. Most gasoline I saw moved was via blivit, but have seen three or four eighteen wheelers in convoys. We need the rubber blivits in all sizes!!
Gary

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Like your Ideas Gary, did not Verlinden do a Rubber bladder in 1/35 scale?

Blivit is 10 pounds in a 9 pound bag.

This trailer.



Used along with the M-107's and M-110s as you know.


And this gas tanker.



Trailer I would like in plastic. M-332



And oops somebody has some digging to do.

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They are available here, https://www.oldcarsbookstore.com/2019-military-vehicles-calendar-r9242

Very nice vehicle! Was that taken above or below the bridge?

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Picture was taken last New Years Day in my driveway to my house in the lower peninsula.

Dave What part of Michigan? Contrary to what state is id'd for me I am from Flint MI

I would very much welcome an all new
M108
M109 early

Then some M113's based on AFV Club's ACAV kit;
M132 Zippo
M113 with M74C turret
Aussie M113 with T50 turret
M163 Vulcan
ARVN M113 with large mg shield
M557

All with decent interior, please

Actually, I do not really mind if these come from aftermarket firms, but I see a good job for AFV Club

I cannot possibly be the only person who thinks the M108 is, ahem, under endowed, compared to the M109. Like M109 (and M107 and M110) gunners have to just laugh at the poor little M108.

You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.

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In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary

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In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
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Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
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Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
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The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin

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In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary

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Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin

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The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!

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In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary

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Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin

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The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!

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Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin

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In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary

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Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin

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The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!

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Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin

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In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary

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Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin

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The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!

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Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin

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