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MH-6J "somewhere in Africa"
zorrolobo
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2019 - 05:26 AM UTC
I know the stairway housing and the "HOTEL" sign need a couple of bullet holes. A lot more weathering on the roof and add the typical junk you would find on a rooftop. Also the fallen rebel needs also an AK. Any more suggestions? I am thinking of adding some "flying" newspaper to add to the sense of motion.
trahe
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2019 - 06:00 AM UTC
Marcos, it looks great. I think some trash (newspapers, etc.) blowing like you said would add some visual interest and realism. I like what you did with the clothesline. The one thing that looked off to me was the "cut line" on the H in HOTEL. I know you have imaginary cut lines on the building to represent just a portion of a larger structure. I'm not sure, but I think I would have aligned the edge of the cut line on the H with the cut line of the building. That said, your diorama looks amazing.
zorrolobo
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Posted: Thursday, September 05, 2019 - 06:09 AM UTC
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Marcos, it looks great. I think some trash (newspapers, etc.) blowing like you said would add some visual interest and realism. I like what you did with the clothesline. The one thing that looked off to me was the "cut line" on the H in HOTEL. I know you have imaginary cut lines on the building to represent just a portion of a larger structure. I'm not sure, but I think I would have aligned the edge of the cut line on the H with the cut line of the building. That said, your diorama looks amazing.
Thank you Thomas. About the "cut line", I wanted to give the feeling that the building really goes beyond. You should perceive that te "rest" of the H is past the scene I am depicting along with probably the name of the hotel, so as to give the feeling of a much larger structure. Well, that was the plan anyway. But thank you for your observation. Cheers!
zorrolobo
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Posted: Friday, September 06, 2019 - 06:46 AM UTC
Not sure if I should add another figure. Also can anyone suggest what I should use to replicate 5.56mm spent cases? Would thin brass wire do?
zorrolobo
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Posted: Friday, September 06, 2019 - 06:51 AM UTC
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Marcos, it looks great. I think some trash (newspapers, etc.) blowing like you said would add some visual interest and realism. I like what you did with the clothesline. The one thing that looked off to me was the "cut line" on the H in HOTEL. I know you have imaginary cut lines on the building to represent just a portion of a larger structure. I'm not sure, but I think I would have aligned the edge of the cut line on the H with the cut line of the building. That said, your diorama looks amazing.
Sorry, I did not understand what you meant By aligning the cut lines at first. Yes they will be aligned when I glue the sign to the building. For the pictures it was just presented without glue, so it moved a tad.
zorrolobo
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Posted: Saturday, September 07, 2019 - 05:30 AM UTC
HOTEL sign is glued in place. "Cut lines" are aligned:
zorrolobo
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2019 - 07:51 AM UTC
Starting to set components on rooftop:
The KIA insurgent:
Some Flying nwespapers:
The KIA insurgent:
Some Flying nwespapers:
zorrolobo
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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 01:46 PM UTC
Test fit of the helo:
Dioramartin
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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 10:35 PM UTC
Looking great Marcos, assuming the rotor spins a hairdryer (COOL setting!) from above should work well for photos 
zorrolobo
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2019 - 06:34 AM UTC
I think I will call this one done. some final pictures:
zorrolobo
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2019 - 06:40 AM UTC
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2019 - 08:53 AM UTC
Looks really good. I like all the moving items being blown by the rotorwash. I personally don't like the cellphone on the sign, but that is just me.
terminators
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2019 - 10:02 AM UTC
Hard exercise to give the impression of movement with a static model. Good ideas on this diorama, very well done.
zorrolobo
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2019 - 10:30 AM UTC
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Looking great Marcos, assuming the rotor spins a hairdryer (COOL setting!) from above should work well for photos
Thank you Martin. Unfortunately the fit of the rotor parts do not let the rotor turn as freely as it would be required to make it turn with a hairdryer-
zorrolobo
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2019 - 10:49 AM UTC
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Looks really good. I like all the moving items being blown by the rotorwash. I personally don't like the cellphone on the sign, but that is just me.
Thank you Gino. The Olympic Hotel kept coming up in my research for the dio. So to have something reminiscent of the Olympic, and to add something different I went with the little cellphone. Just being a little different.
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Hard exercise to give the impression of movement with a static model. Good ideas on this diorama, very well done.
Thank you Alex.
This project had 2 main challenges from the beginning: To represent part of a rooftop without having to show the whole structure, which I think it worked. And to give the sense of motion for the static helo. So thanks to all of you guys who gave me ideas for that endeavor.
zorrolobo
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 03:38 AM UTC
Not sure about a title for the dio. Maybe I should just leave it as "Somewhere in Africa". Any Ideas or suggestions?
Bigrip74
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 04:18 AM UTC
Marcos, outstanding work. The realism is very well done.
Bob
Bob
strongarden
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 08:40 AM UTC
This turned out very nice, great job Marcos!
The only nitpic I might have, albeit minor, is the upper wall sides. Maybe a little more aged looking with grime and streaking, nothing major.
But overall excellent results. You really know what your doing.
Regards
Dave
The only nitpic I might have, albeit minor, is the upper wall sides. Maybe a little more aged looking with grime and streaking, nothing major.
But overall excellent results. You really know what your doing.
Regards
Dave
zorrolobo
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 09:24 AM UTC
Thank you Bob and Dave. And Dave, I thought about going a little heavier on the weathering, but I did quite a bit of research for this project, so let me share some of the considerations I used for the diorama:
The place would be Mogadishu. Circa September 1994 during operation Gothic Serpent (Black Hawk down). weather in September is desertic, dry, with average precipitation for that month at less than 3mm. Average humidity at 51%. If you consider that prior to the battle that I am depicting, the hotel was operating somewhat normally, what you would find on its rooftop would coincide with that "normal" operation. Most of the pictures of similar structures (hotels) that I found for that time looked relatively well maintained. So excessive weathering just didn't make sense. To have rain marks,streaking and grime, you need an abandoned structure and rain. Also weeds in corners would be few or none existing. I know that some of the gear on the troopers does not go back to that time, as it has been pointed out, so that was my major concession. All in all, I tried to keep it realistic.
The place would be Mogadishu. Circa September 1994 during operation Gothic Serpent (Black Hawk down). weather in September is desertic, dry, with average precipitation for that month at less than 3mm. Average humidity at 51%. If you consider that prior to the battle that I am depicting, the hotel was operating somewhat normally, what you would find on its rooftop would coincide with that "normal" operation. Most of the pictures of similar structures (hotels) that I found for that time looked relatively well maintained. So excessive weathering just didn't make sense. To have rain marks,streaking and grime, you need an abandoned structure and rain. Also weeds in corners would be few or none existing. I know that some of the gear on the troopers does not go back to that time, as it has been pointed out, so that was my major concession. All in all, I tried to keep it realistic.
strongarden
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 03:05 PM UTC
And you're correct, "excessive weathering wouldn't make sense...". Which is exactly why I stated "a lil more aged looking", "nothing major", "upper wall sides", and nothing about excessive weathering or the rooftop.
Your reply with certain conditions taken into effect regarding the time of battle, hotel operations, local climate etc are all points well taken.
Great job Marcos, thanks for sharing.
Regards
Dave
Your reply with certain conditions taken into effect regarding the time of battle, hotel operations, local climate etc are all points well taken.
Great job Marcos, thanks for sharing.
Regards
Dave
zorrolobo
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 04:54 PM UTC
Thank you Dave.
Golikell
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 10:36 PM UTC
Looking very good. I have just one observation: The newspaper would have fluttered away much earlier, considering the down wash of a helo.
You might want to try to create spend cases by utilising brass rod, cut to pieces. the needed diameter would be 0.15mm. o a bit thicker. The mentioned diameter is for the bullets only. the length would be 1.27 mm. For sizes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#/media/File:5.56x45mm_NATO.jpg
You might want to try to create spend cases by utilising brass rod, cut to pieces. the needed diameter would be 0.15mm. o a bit thicker. The mentioned diameter is for the bullets only. the length would be 1.27 mm. For sizes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#/media/File:5.56x45mm_NATO.jpg
PolishBrigade12
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Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 01:21 AM UTC
Excellent work once again. I like how you got the loose items floating about, clothes on the line in the wind, and the over all concept. Great work on the figs and lil' bird!
Cheers, Ski.
Cheers, Ski.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 01:43 AM UTC
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The place would be Mogadishu. Circa September 1994 during operation Gothic Serpent (Black Hawk down).
One small correction, Operation Gothic Serpent ((deployment and actions of Task Force Ranger (Ranger Co, Delta Tms, TF-160 SOAR, Navy Seals, and USAF PJs)) took place from Aug to Oct '93, not '94. The Aidid mission ((a.k.a. The Battle of the Black Sea (the neighborhood it took place in ) or The Battle of Mogadishu)) depicted in the book and movie Black Hawk Down took place 3-4 OCT '93. TF Ranger left Somalia on 6 Oct '93.
zorrolobo
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Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 05:47 AM UTC
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Looking very good. I have just one observation: The newspaper would have fluttered away much earlier, considering the down wash of a helo.
You might want to try to create spend cases by utilising brass rod, cut to pieces. the needed diameter would be 0.15mm. o a bit thicker. The mentioned diameter is for the bullets only. the length would be 1.27 mm. For sizes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#/media/File:5.56x45mm_NATO.jpg
Thank you Erwin. I did add the spent cases but you have to look closely to really see them. Some eye candy, I guess:
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