i have found in my few years of modeling that dunkelgelb or dark yellow for german vehicles is very different when it comes to tamiya and testors model master paint. MM dunkelgelb is a greenish color and tamiya is more of a mustard yellow...which one is more accurate? Ive been painting my vehicles with MM and it tends to make the vehicle very bland looking...one can see the difference when looking at my tank...with MM dunkelgelb


and then kenaz raynor's hetzer painted with a tamiya dark yellow

Agree with your assesment of color.
But, IMHO, the MM is - to my eyes - the more accurate shade based on the few color shots I've seen around the web.
I only wish MM would put more of their colors in rattle cans, for those of us with flaky airbrush issues trying to use bottled versions of same!

I agree also I use mostly Model Master colors and I think the brighter color would stand out more defeating the purpose of camoflage.

Got to love Dunklegleb....

Ian, I dont care for the MM dunklegelb either. I use the MM sandgelb RLM79( I think thats right) I know its not the correct color by name but I really like the color on the german armor and think it is a pretty accurate option for you. If you want to see some of my models in it just message me in msn and I'll get them to you. Cheers Kevin

thanks for the replies guys...hey delbert what company makes that dunkelgelb on that panzer 2? but please keep them responses coming!!!
ian

I only use Tamiya Dunkelgelb and it sometimes looks like in the first picture, it seems to me that it looks really cold, but it really depend on the primer, is it grey or black?

I think that all the mentioned colors metioned are acceptable. The color shots of German armor I have seen all varied in the hue of the Dunkelgeb. This could be due to the condition of the photos or it could be due to the condition and age of the paint or even a slight pigmentation difference in the manufacture of the paint in question. I think it is a combination of all the above. As long as the colors we model with are within reason, I think any of them are fine.

thx for the replies...keep em coming. which do you prefer? the greenish one or the mustard one?

Found this. HTH.

http://miniatures.de/html/int/colour-ral-farben.html

It still doesn't answer for me, which rattle cans can I find at the LHS that match these, but it's a list.

that panzer II is painted with Model Master Enamal's in Dunklegleb...

and i kinda like the color myself..

hi everyone
i use humbrol 83 for paiting german armor and i think it's something between mm and tamiya colors

I think you can get away with the various types of colours, I use the Tamiya Dark Yellow myself, but after seeing that Panzer II, I'm gonna look for that color! Looks like a colour that would be used in the desert campaign? So far, the only rattle can(s) I can find is just the Tamiya Dark Yellow.

Yep the Dunklegelb is my favorite german color so far.. i tell yall I HATE the Panzer Grey.. at least the Model master version of it I may try out the tamiya one next..

The PzII is painted for North Africa.. Early in the war they were painted Dunklegleb over their orignal color of panzer grey.. this one was paint chipped using the toothpick method...

I use a mix of tamiya's XF59 ,XF60 and a bit of white added ...I think it looks about right ..I find the MM color way too green for me .



Rick

wow i love that sturmtiger...looks awesome. also about the pz II that is MM? wow because mine doesnt look at all like that.!! well keep tellin me what other ones to use. aslo what do u like to use for the red brown on german vehicles and in the ambush camo...as well as the green.
ian

The redbrown and dark green are both tamiya's colors but I always fade the color by adding a bit of buff to the paint . I do this in two or three coats lightening the color a bit each time .

Rick

I unabashedly prefer the model master. the object for the tank was to hide in a wooded area...the brighter yellow would stand out like a sore thumb (IMHO) besides, I vastly prefer enamel to acrylic.

I like the MM it makes dry brushing easier just mix a little oil paint to the base enamel and go to town. I have never worked out an acceptable method for Tamiya paint and mainly use it just for stowage sometimes and base coating rubber band tracks. Besides the Tamiya reminds me to much of the Afrika yellow not the proper color in my judgment.

guess its just me, but i've had NO expierence w/ mm dunkelgelb having a greenish tint

I use humbrol 93

I actually like most of he available colurs of dunkelgelb i have seen many different shades of the colour
i think with german armour its again a controversial subject to debat th "true" colour of thier camo paints!
i like the MM and the tamiya one
they all have thier applications in modelling
the brighter colour worked well with the hetzer because of the red brown colour ,bieng the only other colour on the vehicle
so it lent a great deal of balance to the subject , if i had used a greener shade the impact would have been lessened and the model would have looked flat! i also add about 20% gloss to my tamiya colours too wich livens the paint up ,
many people tend to forget about scale effect too ,
its always a good idea to add a little white to dunkelgelb , or buff as stated previously,to any colour,
i prefer acrylic any day over enamel , and i still use oils to drybrush ,
it works tremendously well infact ,and it means i can work on one subject all day with out having to allow hours on end for drying times!

and remember the later in the war the more the colors varried.. Prob the only True colors that existed were the paint chips in the German High command building. cause out in the field as we all know things change.

thanks for the replies guys!!!!!!! a few more questions about MM paint....for the green do u tend to use MM dark green or a german green like olivegrun? also does MM offer a good redbrown color because all i know is the tamiya hull red or the other brown ( i forgot) that they offer. let me know!!
ian

I use Tamiya olive green XF-58 and red brown XF-64, and they do look good. I used to use tamiya dark green too.

Hi Ian what Delbert said is very true
remember a lot of the time these field paints were supplied as a thick block of paste!
and had top be diluted with either petrol or water ?
so colours vary , dont worry about getting an exact match for greens and browns !
the greens varied from a darkish olive green to a bright pea green
and the browns from almost brick red to a chocolate brown ,(the brown i used on the hetzer was vallejo game colour "beasty brown" ),
the same with field applications of dunkelgelb,
i think the beauty of german armour is that you really can play with the colours involved to a certain extent,
look at some of the late war whacky camo patterns! ?