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Realistic grass
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:33 AM UTC
Hey Guys:
I looking for some decent looking grass (early summer) everything I use looks like a golf green or carpet, any good products out there? What do you use?


thanks
Bruce
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:59 AM UTC
I use Woodland scenics static grass. Pretty nice, you do have to add some pastels to tone it down and make it 'dull'. I get mine at a RR hobby shop.
I know there are others but I have to run out the door before I can get thier names - sorry...........

Faust, Jackhammer81, PB, help me......
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:16 PM UTC
i'm with slodder, the woodland scenics static grass works very well, especially for your use, summer, very nice tone to it and again like slodder stated you can add pastels if need be. static grass is a very good product (in my eyes) for dioramas, you'll find it in your local hobby shop in the railroading section.

besides static grass, there are other blends woodland scenics has and different mixes too (fine, blended, coarse etc...)

check them out-

woodland scenics
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:17 PM UTC
Hey Bruce:

There are several items you could use. Like slodder said, Woodland Scenics makes some nice static grass which comes in a variety of colors like several shades of green, burnt grass (kind of yellow/brown), autumn grass (yellowish in color), etc. A nice effect is to mix several shades so you don't have that too even look to it.

Heki also makes some nice static grass products, and one that I've used for longer grass comes from Noch and comes in a sheet. It looks like bristles that I think are clustered together using fine netting or something similar. It can be cut with a scissors to fit a desired area, or pulled with your fingers to thin it out.

All of these products are available from a Model Railroad Shop. I know we carry all of them at Walthers where I work. http://www.walthers.com

No matter what you use, again like Slodder suggested, it's always a good idea to slightly tone down the colors either with pastels, or with some light drybrushing.

Good luck Bruce. Hope this helps.

John
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:20 PM UTC
Grass....hmmm try heki for tall feild grass, noch also makes a nice medium height grass, and look at verlinden and woodland scenics for static grasses. Have a look thru my gallery at the MC dio for a look at heki grasses. Hope this helps. Cheers Kevin
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:34 PM UTC
And there you go - all the types of grass you may need.


Thanks for filling out the details.....
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 02:07 PM UTC
Hi Guys: thanks for the replies, some good information. Looks like the nosh or heki is the type I'm looking for, this is for a wild meadow scene (no livestock). Is there a trick to using the longer grass or is it the same as the short stuff?

ps : Kevin you've got some great dios there! I'm keeping an eye on you!
:-) :-)

Cheers
Bruce
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 06:40 PM UTC
well i d vore WS for static and Heki wild grass for taller grass..
u use the Heki as a sheet (it is in a sheet form)
u cut the desired surface and apply some white glue and put it over.
u can direct it or trim it if u like and do what ever u like . Its absolute adorable material. Try it . then u cannot live with out it
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 08:35 PM UTC
you can also use a toothbrush (or something like that ). And paint it green.
It isn't expensive, but the tickness is maby a problem..

I hope I'd gave you an idea.

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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 12:57 AM UTC
try a search of the forums for Heki. There were some detailed oned on the lengths sizes etc for the Heki product.
'I've got a couple of pice left in my gallery, I think.
If they're gone, drop me a line and I can post them up again.

I really like Heki and Noch. They are not cheap, but well worth the effect.
I ve never gotten good results with static grass.

Sliflor makes good stuff too, but I can't get my hands on in here in the states.

Mike
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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 01:26 AM UTC
the next time you go to the barber...take some hair back...

its FREE!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 04:02 AM UTC
Hi Bruce:

If you want more information and pictures, check out this thread:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/41947&page=1

Keith
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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 08:20 AM UTC
WOW, there seems to be as many different ways of making grass as there are......... well grasses :-)

Lots to ponder here guys , thanks

Bruce
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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 05:58 PM UTC
You might also look into Silfor grass, which looks amazingly realistic from pictures I have seen. I think you can indeed get it from a number of different sources, one of which is a distributor in Massachusetts. I have the information somewhere but am away on holiday.

I have only myself used Woodland Scenics static grass but will try out Silfor one of these days....

See this link:

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14000

Cheers, Richard
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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 07:18 PM UTC
Hey Bruce, Sometimes i like to use a painters brush. Here is a pic of a 4'' brush, then i paint or airbrush the color i need once dry i cut to lentgh and glue in place. This way here i can control how tall i need the grass.
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Posted: Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 09:05 PM UTC
A couple of more good ideas. Richard did you read wear that one guy uses fake fur in combination with Silfor grass.
Joseph, your paint brush method looks promising , somthing to try while I'm waiting for the mail.

thanks
Bruce
bbtoys
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Posted: Friday, December 31, 2004 - 11:58 AM UTC
Yeah Bruce, Saw those pictures -- a beautiful dio -- and have been looking for beige/tan fake fur every since. None of my cross-dressing friends seems to have any to spare for some reason ... ;-) May just have to shell out the dollars for Silfor.

Cheers, Richard
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 07:25 PM UTC
If you don't want to put out the money for an expensive static gun, how do you make the static grass stand up? I paint my grassy area with diluted white glue then sprinkle on the static grass, and blow off the loose stuff. Most of the grass remains lying flat with a few strands standing up. Only effective for a trampled area.
bbtoys
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 09:34 PM UTC
Without a static gun you can still try to "charge" the static grass either by putting it in a slightly inflated plastic bag (which you can rub ahead of time) and letting little bits come out at a time or you can do the same thing using one of the plastic *spice* (?) shakers with the large lid and holes to shake out little bits of grass at a time. I tend to use the latter method and it works reasonably well.

[Please note that this is not the way to apply tall synthetic grass (which you have to "poke and glue"); only the short to medium static grass.]

Cheers,

Richard
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