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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Panther G
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 05:11 AM UTC
Did the panther G come in any color other that the three como. need to do a
grey one,and did't want it tp be incorrect
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 05:17 AM UTC
Pick up a copy of the Squadron/Signal Panther book. I shows a late late war Panther G in a Gray/Red Brown camo without zimmerit.

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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 05:23 AM UTC
I have tried to research this on the net for you. I cannot find any documentation or photos that show the "G" in panzer grey. The "ambush" pattern is the one most favoured, you could i suppose paint it red oxide.
If this is wrong i can only apologise.
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 05:29 AM UTC
Yes, some vehicles did revert ot grey from tri-tone towards the end of the war, don't know if the Panther was among them. Although since many records were destroyed, it seems reasonable to 'blag it' with spurious schemes etc.
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 05:54 AM UTC
Hi,
I don't have any references with me (I'm at work) but from what I remember I would have to say no gray on the Panther G, they were mainly done in the 3 tone scheme. (you could always paint winter white if you are after just one color) I would really question the color plate in the squadron book, and yes there are rumours of grey late in the war but if I remember correctly not on the Panther. I'll check some of my references when I get home.
Mike
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 05:58 AM UTC
I checked some of my reference, and seems that all gray is unlikely. Sorry Tank.
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 07:38 AM UTC
The Grey/red brown panther G in the Squadron Panther book is a color plate so,if it was taken from real life they would probably have thier reference noted in the back of the book.I had this book(operative word being had) and it has a lot of good reference for the Panther and it's variants for the price.Sieg Heil!
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 10:07 AM UTC
I'm not the uber-panther-experten, but as far as I know there weren't any late war all grey panthers. There were orders saying to have an all green basecoat, and some left the factory with cammo oversprayed onto the red-brown primer, but the generally accepted wisdom from the folks over at Missing Links is no late war all grey panthers , king tigers, or other big kitties..

Take a peek in the Missing Links WWII Axis discussion group for more details.

Mike
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 11:21 AM UTC
Older books refer to the use of Pz Grey on late war tanks.
There is no evidence for this, from what I gather.

You could do a Panther G all Green, or all Yellow, or all Primer Red, or any of those combinations.

Of course you could say 'screw it', and just paint it grey!
It's your tank, go wild!

Andy
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 11:46 AM UTC
I would say paint it in the color that works for you. It sounds like no one can prove or disprove grey.
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 11:51 AM UTC
Hola!

The gray with brown thin line camp plate is in Panther in Action page 26 or the middle color fold. It says it is a Panther G from Berlin, Spring of 1945, it carries the number 304 painted in red with white number outline. Its painted over 125 white outlined number, just the outline. Also note worthy is that this tank has the small square type of zimmerit applied.

Maybe you can find out more about this specific tank.

Hope this will help
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 01:39 PM UTC
I say it's your tank, paint it whatever color makes you happy. Unless you're entering contests, ask yourself does it Have to be completely historically correct?
Have fun with your hobby!
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Posted: Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:12 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I checked some of my reference, and seems that all gray is unlikely. Sorry Tank.



I have to agree with Dave. In all my reading and research I have yet to come
across a Panther Ausf A, D, or the slightly over 3000 G's that were produced in a "panzer grey " scheme.
2 and 3 color scheme's & the infamous "Ambush " scheme .....yes !
Until I see proven archival records/photo's of a grey Pz.V Panther ........ I too say very unlikely.
BUT LIKE SOME SAY - IT'S YOUR DO WHAT YOU WANT, UNLESS YOUR ENTERING IT INTO COMPETITION.

- ralph
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Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 07:00 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hola!

The gray with brown thin line camp plate is in Panther in Action page 26 or the middle color fold. It says it is a Panther G from Berlin, Spring of 1945, it carries the number 304 painted in red with white number outline. Its painted over 125 white outlined number, just the outline. Also note worthy is that this tank has the small square type of zimmerit applied.

Maybe you can find out more about this specific tank.

Hope this will help



Hi there.

The color plates in books are artist's impressions. Detail and accuracy are getting better, but there are lots of errors. I remember as a kid learning that late war German tanks were painted grey - that was all the paint they had left was the explanation. Over the last few years, lots of folks have looked for evidence, and not found it. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence, but the color plates in books are unreliable sources! Color photos from WW2 are equally bad, because of the vagaries of print film over time.

If you want it grey, paint it grey. It may not be accurate, but nobody knows!

Just think, soon we can have a discussion about British/Canadian armor in Normandy: was it OD, Green or Brown?
As time passes, we're less likely to get the right answers!

Andy put bold text here
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 03:56 AM UTC
Hi,

you are searching for references to Panther G with two tone (red oxide/tank gray) scheme. There is a book that shows a Panther G late in Berlin 1945 with this camo.
Because i have no scanner, i can only send you the address of the distributor, from where you can order it.
Sorry for my bad english.
http://www.VDMedien.de
ISDN 3-925480-45-5
Cost: c.a 18€

armyarne
Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:26 AM UTC
the 24th Pz Div kept the Panzer Grey on its Panthers until the end of the war

Chris Pig no.1
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:41 AM UTC

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the 24th Pz Div kept the Panzer Grey on its Panthers until the end of the war

Chris Pig no.1



hi Dave.

Where is this referenced?
I thought all versions of the Panther came out after the yellow base coat was used.

Andy
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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:08 PM UTC
thanks again for the references
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