Thank you all for your support, it looks like we have a winner on our hands..
I will add your suggestions to my first post, and in a few days, when it all levels out a bit I'll start to finalise some kind of frame work. One a week sounds not bad, I'll keep that in mind.
The plan is very much to cover both brush and airbrush. Although you can't beat an airbrush when it comes to finese and soft edge camo, you'll be surprised what is possible with a brush. As John (John17) will hopefully show us in good time... weathering techniques with oil can be absolutly stunning, and is something I'll be watching closely myself.. Thanks for the offer John, I'll be in touch.
I've had a few volunteers to 'teach' a class, don't be shy, or think you don't have the skills.. This is not just for the Masters, we like everybody to participate.
Cheers
Henk
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Henk
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:51 AM UTC
carleton
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:54 AM UTC
sign me up please,just another reason why this is the best site on the web. 
VonDodenburg
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 09:24 AM UTC
Henk,
Count me in. It will be great to have a nicely painted tank for the figures I am learning to paint in the figures forum. Thanks.
Charles
Count me in. It will be great to have a nicely painted tank for the figures I am learning to paint in the figures forum. Thanks.
Charles
HONEYCUT
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 02:27 PM UTC
Put me in coach, I'm ready to play...
Any tips for us rattlecanners?
Henk
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 04:00 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Any tips for us rattlecanners?
Yes Bradley, Stick to Allied subjects..
Only joking, I've not used them myself, but I'll throw it in the pot.. Thanks
Henk
WingTzun
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 05:08 PM UTC
One more thing I think might be helpfulfull would be to discuss any brands of paints used and their pros & cons.
slynch1701
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 06:46 PM UTC
Count me in for sure. I am always interested in seeing how to's, as any new knowledge can be very useful, for any from line from beginner to intermediate to advanced. I like the way you have propsed this.
However I have a request/question. Can this be set up in 2 ways possibly? Here is what I mean. With the figure forum the teacher post what he/she has done that week then everyone responds. I like the feedback, however, I print off the how to part and it can become coumbersome to include all the questions. Is there a way to seperate the two, maybe at the end so it can be printed off more like the articles here on Armorama?
thanks,
Sean
However I have a request/question. Can this be set up in 2 ways possibly? Here is what I mean. With the figure forum the teacher post what he/she has done that week then everyone responds. I like the feedback, however, I print off the how to part and it can become coumbersome to include all the questions. Is there a way to seperate the two, maybe at the end so it can be printed off more like the articles here on Armorama?
thanks,
Sean
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:01 PM UTC
Anythink to improve my skills is of interest to me,armour is fairly new to me so i will follow very closely
primate
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:21 PM UTC
Count me in any techniques to improve most welcome
Henk
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:53 PM UTC
Quoted Text
However I have a request/question. Can this be set up in 2 ways possibly? Here is what I mean. With the figure forum the teacher post what he/she has done that week then everyone responds. I like the feedback, however, I print off the how to part and it can become coumbersome to include all the questions. Is there a way to seperate the two, maybe at the end so it can be printed off more like the articles here on Armorama?
Thanks for your input Sean, I have been thinking about that myself. I think initialy it would be good to run this as an ordinairy 'thread' where people can ask questions etc. and then possibly turn them into 'edited' feature articles.
Cheers
Henk
Seanuke
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:54 PM UTC
This is exactly what I need... can't wait... thanks for the idea.
TacFireGuru
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:03 PM UTC
Henk,
Count me in as a student. This should be a wonderful learning experience!
Any idea of the subject vehicle(s)? U.S., British, German, Russian.......It would be fun to get the same model the "teacher" is teaching and build along with him/her.
Mike (++) (++)
Count me in as a student. This should be a wonderful learning experience!
Any idea of the subject vehicle(s)? U.S., British, German, Russian.......It would be fun to get the same model the "teacher" is teaching and build along with him/her.
Mike (++) (++)
Henk
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:26 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Any idea of the subject vehicle(s)? U.S., British, German, Russian.......It would be fun to get the same model the "teacher" is teaching and build along with him/her.
Good point
What would you all prefer? Everybody painting the same vehicle would be a fine exersise, but may be a bit tricky with regards as availability and build time..
I feel it will probably work out that some will use a vehicle they already have built, but not yet painted, and some may want to use the same vehicle as the 'teacher' and try to achive the same finish, to compare results if you want...
Another thing to consider is the kit, I have some offers already, including a OOB kit and one with resin and PE thrown at it.. :-) . |The later is a good exersise, but may be out of reach (finance.
) for some.In the end I don't think painting the exact same vehicle is a must, as the various techniques can be used on different vehicles.
The idea to do several classes, each showing a specific techinique rather than a 'start to finish' model seems to appeal, and I like it because it will make it easier to pick those classes you are realy interested in. This does however mean that we will see a large number of different kits, so I think it's easier to use what ever kit you have, as long as it fits the class of course.. no good taking a Pzr IV to a 'how to fade and weather OD' class..
Keep you thought and suggestions coming guys.
Cheers
Henk
Henk
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:35 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Any idea of the subject vehicle(s)? U.S., British, German, Russian.......
Ahh, if we have enough willing teachers the idea is to cover as many different ones as we can. So an OD one , a German one in Panzergrau and/or Three tone camo, etc, etc, A class on base coating doesn't need to be repeated across, as that will be more or less the same, but I would like to see different classes on weathering and painting Allied and Axis etc..
The only limit is YOUR participation, so even if you think that your skills are not up to scratch, if there is only one technique you have 'mastered' or particularly like, PM me. The idea so far is to have a lot of individual, short classes so you don't have to worry about long term commitment or page after page of typing. A lot of pictures are the main requirement. Write up I can help you with.
Cheers
Henk
markm
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Posted: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:45 PM UTC
My thoughts would be basic and OOB to start with. You can have other classes on aftermarket stuff later. I would be more than willing to be a student of that type of class as well. Almost all of my stuff is OOB due to lack of knowledge/experience with some of the aftermarket.
slynch1701
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 03:20 AM UTC
My opinion, for what it's worth would be to use a kit that is OOB and a straightforward build for the purposes of a painting class. I think if the build is too complicated that will slow people down and interfere with the painting portion. As far as nationality, it probable doesn't matter as much as paint shceme. By that I mean what you were perhaps alluding to such as one for a solid color, like OD, one for Camo, like late war German or modern and maybe one with an extereme weather condition, like desert.
Just some additional thoughts,
Sean
Just some additional thoughts,
Sean
waterlily
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 03:29 AM UTC
Im in to sounds great
Henk
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 03:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
My opinion, for what it's worth would be to use a kit that is OOB and a straightforward build for the purposes of a painting class. I think if the build is too complicated that will slow people down and interfere with the painting portion. .
The purpose of these classes will be to show the various painting techniques, building the painted kit is not included. A teacher will begin with a built kit. This is precisely to avoid delays through slow builders (like myself..
) Therefore the level of kit is not al that important, apart from the first class, which will deal with preparing and priming, where PE and Resin parts need added attention. Quoted Text
As far as nationality, it probable doesn't matter as much as paint shceme. By that I mean what you were perhaps alluding to such as one for a solid color, like OD, one for Camo, like late war German or modern and maybe one with an extereme weather condition, like desert.
That's the idea Sean, initialy we'll try to cover the main subjects, rather than one for three tone, one for ambush, as these techniques can than be used for a variety of similar schemes. The main focus will be on the nuts and bolts, i.e. how to thin paint (and why) and things like masking and so on. All those things which are always mentioned but seldom explained...
.Good points Sean, thanks.
Cheers
Henk
JimF
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 03:53 AM UTC
Count me in too, please. A thorough course in painting sounds like just the thing I need.
TacFireGuru
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 04:36 AM UTC
Henk,
After rereading and enjoying the positive feedback you all have, a consideration. From you posts, the idea is PAINTING, not the build itself.
With that, I would suggest that the teachers consider one each of the "major" nationalities; U. S. - a Sherman, for instance, that is pre-built to the stage where the painting class comes into play. Ditto for a Russian vehicle - mostly Russian green(?), a German vehicle in either or ALL, grey, dark yellow, ambush (as that is is difficult scheme to paint), a British vehicle, such as the Churchhill or what not, in British green(?).
Basically(??), let the mod determine the vehicles, the teachers choose a vehicle (or scheme) they are comfortable with, do the initial build, THEN post away with painting portion of the class. Personally, a separate class, or inclusion of, dealing with resin or photoetch would be a great bonus. Especially for me!! (okay, being a bit selfish)
All this followed by a batch of "follow on" classes aimed at weathering using pigments, oils, washes, et al. Oh, and point out the issues with decals (waterslide, dry transfer, silvering, bubbles, et cetera).
I am quite confident that this will go a long way; everything revolving around the finished product.
I AM in. This will be most enjoyable and enlightening either way it goes!!!!
Mike (++) (++)
After rereading and enjoying the positive feedback you all have, a consideration. From you posts, the idea is PAINTING, not the build itself.
With that, I would suggest that the teachers consider one each of the "major" nationalities; U. S. - a Sherman, for instance, that is pre-built to the stage where the painting class comes into play. Ditto for a Russian vehicle - mostly Russian green(?), a German vehicle in either or ALL, grey, dark yellow, ambush (as that is is difficult scheme to paint), a British vehicle, such as the Churchhill or what not, in British green(?).
Basically(??), let the mod determine the vehicles, the teachers choose a vehicle (or scheme) they are comfortable with, do the initial build, THEN post away with painting portion of the class. Personally, a separate class, or inclusion of, dealing with resin or photoetch would be a great bonus. Especially for me!! (okay, being a bit selfish)
All this followed by a batch of "follow on" classes aimed at weathering using pigments, oils, washes, et al. Oh, and point out the issues with decals (waterslide, dry transfer, silvering, bubbles, et cetera).
I am quite confident that this will go a long way; everything revolving around the finished product.
I AM in. This will be most enjoyable and enlightening either way it goes!!!!
Mike (++) (++)
Clanky44
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 05:14 AM UTC
This is taken from IPMS Stockholm....
The Learning Modeller's Manifesto...
Rule 1: Build frequently and in quantity. You need to build about 10 models a year to allow the freedom to experiment and to avoid being intimidated by the thought of ruining the one and only model that you complete.
Modellers who are inexperienced or who feel that they need to improve their skills need to abandon the glitter, and focus on the basics. You can add all the P.E. and resin aftermarket sets to your model, but if the painting, decalling, weathering is suspect, then none of the glitter will make a difference. The best course of action for these 'tutorials' is to keep it simple. OOB build on a quick and easy model should be the norm. As far as which nationality to model, this does not matter, as much as the 'shade of the model'. The technique behind pre-shading and post-shading will be the same for differing shades of green. Whether it's O.D. on a Sherman or Russian green or Panzer Grey, the instructions will work the same. Same goes for the soft-edged and hard-edged camo schemes. You can have a WW1, WW2 and post war models with multi-coloured schemes, and the instructions will be the same.
One suggestion I have would be to allow two to three weeks grace before the class starts. Dual purpose for this, firstly, to allow the completion of a OOB model (unpainted) and secondly to allow the 'students', time to acquire some of the basics. Mixing jars, stirring sticks, proper thinners and paints. Cleaning the airbrush thoroughly should be done in this time frame, as well as replacing the tip and needle, if it hasn't been done recently.
( If it is determined that we go the route of a unified subject matter, my suggestion would be to build Armoured Cars. No tracks to monopolize your time.)
The Learning Modeller's Manifesto...
Rule 1: Build frequently and in quantity. You need to build about 10 models a year to allow the freedom to experiment and to avoid being intimidated by the thought of ruining the one and only model that you complete.
Modellers who are inexperienced or who feel that they need to improve their skills need to abandon the glitter, and focus on the basics. You can add all the P.E. and resin aftermarket sets to your model, but if the painting, decalling, weathering is suspect, then none of the glitter will make a difference. The best course of action for these 'tutorials' is to keep it simple. OOB build on a quick and easy model should be the norm. As far as which nationality to model, this does not matter, as much as the 'shade of the model'. The technique behind pre-shading and post-shading will be the same for differing shades of green. Whether it's O.D. on a Sherman or Russian green or Panzer Grey, the instructions will work the same. Same goes for the soft-edged and hard-edged camo schemes. You can have a WW1, WW2 and post war models with multi-coloured schemes, and the instructions will be the same.
One suggestion I have would be to allow two to three weeks grace before the class starts. Dual purpose for this, firstly, to allow the completion of a OOB model (unpainted) and secondly to allow the 'students', time to acquire some of the basics. Mixing jars, stirring sticks, proper thinners and paints. Cleaning the airbrush thoroughly should be done in this time frame, as well as replacing the tip and needle, if it hasn't been done recently.
( If it is determined that we go the route of a unified subject matter, my suggestion would be to build Armoured Cars. No tracks to monopolize your time.)
Sticky
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 06:51 AM UTC
I agree with Clanky for the most part. But I really think we should do a Tamiya 1/48 kit, as 1. he has lots of practice with those, 2. They build VERY fast, and 3. They are realativly cheap.
Am I out in left field or close to the mark?
Am I out in left field or close to the mark?
Mojo
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 06:38 PM UTC
Personally, I was going to grab a kit out of my stash and build that up.. It would be used as a test bed for all the basic paint work.. After that "class" ended, into the bag and then stripped... For the sake of learning, does it really matter if an allied tank ends up with russian grren, or an axis tank ends up OD?
Now dont get me wrong, I will gladly go out and grab a whack more kits :-) :-) for this, but some may be on a limited modelling budget
dave
Now dont get me wrong, I will gladly go out and grab a whack more kits :-) :-) for this, but some may be on a limited modelling budget
dave
Henk
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 06:56 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Personally, I was going to grab a kit out of my stash and build that up.. It would be used as a test bed for all the basic paint work.. After that "class" ended, into the bag and then stripped... For the sake of learning, does it really matter if an allied tank ends up with russian grren, or an axis tank ends up OD?
A good suggestion, as this is all about the Painting techniques it doesn't really matter. Maybe a class about 'stripping' models with oven cleaner?? Hint hint...
.Cheers
Henk
HONEYCUT
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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:30 PM UTC
Quoted Text
BAM!! Walked into that one... Quoted TextAny tips for us rattlecanners?
Yes Bradley, Stick to Allied subjects..
U bent comedian
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