Well, if you're not overwhelmed already you soon will be. Earlier I mentioned the FPLF. By bad-that term is mainly for 11 and 18 series types. In 13 series lingo it's either FPL (final protective line) or FPF (final protective fire) not a bastardization of both, although the concept is essentially the same.
That said, if you want to be really accurate, you may want to have killer junior rounds ready. They're for the SHTF scenario and involve your FPL. Data for the use of these is written on a howitzer range card, much like the infantry uses their range cards.
As these rounds need to be fired in a most ricky tick fashion, they're prefuzed, with charges cut. To represent them you'll want to paint the fuzes black instead the of the gold/silver found on the VT fuzes. This is because killer junior rounds need MTSQ fuzes to detonate over the target.
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18Bravo
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 03:43 AM UTC
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 04:24 AM UTC
You're absolutely correct 18Bravo. I always knew you'd figure it out someday 
GI_Babycakes
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 05:04 AM UTC
Geez Shermie, you've got quite a bit of "what if's" to choose from!!! My head hurts... use this type of shell after you've painted it with stripes and only if you are firing it over trees at a 30 degree angle and only on Tuesday, but if you're shooting it over a river in the other direction make sure they are turned clockwise 20%.
I'm sooooo glad it's you and not me building this one!!
While I'm impressed with all there is to know about this equipment, I would be saying "easy on the techie... just tell me what I need in my dio!! " :-)
I'm sooooo glad it's you and not me building this one!!
While I'm impressed with all there is to know about this equipment, I would be saying "easy on the techie... just tell me what I need in my dio!! " :-)
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 08:19 AM UTC
Another update. I think the basic construction is complete. Now I just need to junk it up with the usual GI "lived in" look.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 08:24 AM UTC
Looking good. The quick referance deflection stakes should be all the way around the circle though. The gun had a 6400 mil (360 degree) capability.
Zacman
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 10:41 AM UTC
[quote]Another update. I think the basic construction is complete. Now I just need to junk it up with the usual GI "lived in" look.
They are Artillery men not G.I'S
I love the diorama, it's starting to take shape!
They are Artillery men not G.I'S
I love the diorama, it's starting to take shape!
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 05:57 PM UTC
Quoted Text
They are Artillery men not G.I'S
My bad. I will begin the process of giving it the artillerymen "lived in" look!
Crushed cardboard boxes
Various grass and weeds
Paper
Magazines and pin-ups
Beer cans.
Grafitti
...lots of good stuff
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 05:58 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Looking good. The quick referance deflection stakes should be all the way around the circle though. The gun had a 6400 mil (360 degree) capability.
Yes there are more stakes. I just didn't have the holes drilled yet in those pics.
thathaway3
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 10:25 PM UTC
Quoted Text
My bad. I will begin the process of giving it the artillerymen "lived in" look!
Crushed cardboard boxes
Various grass and weeds
Paper
Magazines and pin-ups
Beer cans.
Grafitti
...lots of good stuff
Alan, the correct term is "Position Improvement" :-) :-) :-)
EDIT: It took me a while to find it as they've slightly modified the Memory Aid, but here it is, right out of FM 6-50:
TLABSPAP (memory aid) trails, spades, and/or firing platform properly emplaced, lay weapon; aiming point emplaced; boresight verified or performed; second circle; prefire checks on the weapon system performed; ammunition prepared; position improvement
Tom
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 06:40 AM UTC
Another updated Position Improvement. Comments welcome
GI_Babycakes
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 07:02 AM UTC
i think you need darker mud! more plant debris in the muck, too 
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 07:54 AM UTC
The spade gutter is being filled with small debris
jackhammer81
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 08:23 PM UTC
Alan this is really looking good. Great work so far, I think all the artillery guys are giving you all the right answers. Cheers Kevin
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 08:57 PM UTC
Definitely coming along. Keep up the good work. The foot looks a little out of scale though, could use a shave as well. 
:-) :-)
:-) :-) 
Snowhand
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:38 AM UTC
Looking good indeed.
I do not know wheather 105 had similar charges as 155, but you could have it fire incendiary ( light grey shell ), smoke ( very light limegreen if i recall correctly, with lettering in the color of the smoke ), illumination ( dark green with white lettering ). They required a different fuse ( which was allways black btw).
One thing I haven't heard yet... camo nets.. lots of them...
hth from a former Dutch M109 gunner.
I do not know wheather 105 had similar charges as 155, but you could have it fire incendiary ( light grey shell ), smoke ( very light limegreen if i recall correctly, with lettering in the color of the smoke ), illumination ( dark green with white lettering ). They required a different fuse ( which was allways black btw).
One thing I haven't heard yet... camo nets.. lots of them...
hth from a former Dutch M109 gunner.
animal
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:43 AM UTC
This is going to ba a very realistic example of a arty fire base. Looking forward to seeing it finished. 
GI_Babycakes
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 01:07 AM UTC
snowhand- how would the camo nets be placed? Do they fire though them?
Snowhand
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 01:45 AM UTC
Camo nets would definately cover the ordnance ( draped like a tent ) and probably tent-wise over the gun aswell, leaving the front open for firing.
animal
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 02:00 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Camo nets would definitely cover the ordnance ( draped like a tent ) and probably tent-wise over the gun as well, leaving the front open for firing.
This is not really true with the guns on forward fire bases. There was no need to try to hide the guns. Everyone knew they were arty bases. The engineers would clear away as much shrubs and trees as they could and most arty bases were on top of hills and mountains. I have seen where the crews would cover the breach with a canvas tarp or even their ponchos in an attemnpt to keep them dry and clean..
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 05:05 AM UTC
More "position improvement" pics. Added spent brass shells. Which side do you think would be a better front side? Top or bottom pic??
jackhammer81
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 05:12 AM UTC
The added shells are making a great addition! How many in totall will you make for this?
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 07:05 PM UTC
Thanks Kevin. I'm going to see how much more sprue in that diameter I can find. I'm running out of the tree I used so far.
Anyone have a suggestion for a crew? I am not sure if I want a crew firing the gun or just sitting around waiting for a fire mission
Anyone have a suggestion for a crew? I am not sure if I want a crew firing the gun or just sitting around waiting for a fire mission
tankysgal1
Joined: January 28, 2004
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 07:27 PM UTC
I have to agree that the addition of the shells have added a very realistic element. In my opinion..based on the shells on the ground etc, i would like to see a crew actually in action instead of just sitting and waiting on another mission.
Keep us updated..it looks great so far!
Mary
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Keep us updated..it looks great so far!
Mary
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2006 - 10:35 PM UTC
Here are a few figures I've cobbled up from the scrap box. Also added the ever-present sandbags. I have decided that the bunker in the front left will be the side that's the front.
Zacman
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Posted: Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 10:11 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextCamo nets would definitely cover the ordnance ( draped like a tent ) and probably tent-wise over the gun as well, leaving the front open for firing.
This is not really true with the guns on forward fire bases. There was no need to try to hide the guns. Everyone knew they were arty bases. The engineers would clear away as much shrubs and trees as they could and most arty bases were on top of hills and mountains. I have seen where the crews would cover the breach with a canvas tarp or even their ponchos in an attemnpt to keep them dry and clean..
The Marnies from "I" battery 3rd batt 11th marnies 1st Div, when they arrived some where near Da-Nang 65 they had there guns covered over with netting.
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