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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:38 AM UTC

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Model building looms larger in their popular culture as does animation and manga. When was the last time you took the train and saw people reading comic books or model building magazines the size of a phone book?

One example: in the USA model building is something to make fun of in Calvin and Hobbes, there it's treated seriously with an experienced builder showing a newbie the ropes (and she's wearing a Tamiya apron!) Even down to seam scraping and using putty! When was the last time you saw that in a popular show?

It's different. Anime sites advertise the model kit tie-ins. Comic book sites in the US advertise toys.



And this.

You can't judge market size simply by comparing relative population; doesn't work like that. In our culture model builders and model railroad enthusiasts are generally looked down and mocked while in Japan/China it is taken more seriously as a pastime. A higher percentage of their population indulges in model building compared to us.

So, if we say 10% of our 319,000,000 build that's 31,900,000 people.

If 30% of their 126,000,000 do then that is 37,800,000.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 06:53 AM UTC

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Model building looms larger in their popular culture as does animation and manga. When was the last time you took the train and saw people reading comic books or model building magazines the size of a phone book?

One example: in the USA model building is something to make fun of in Calvin and Hobbes, there it's treated seriously with an experienced builder showing a newbie the ropes (and she's wearing a Tamiya apron!) Even down to seam scraping and using putty! When was the last time you saw that in a popular show?

It's different. Anime sites advertise the model kit tie-ins. Comic book sites in the US advertise toys.



And this.

You can't judge market size simply by comparing relative population; doesn't work like that. In our culture model builders and model railroad enthusiasts are generally looked down and mocked while in Japan/China it is taken more seriously as a pastime. A higher percentage of their population indulges in model building compared to us.

So, if we say 10% of our 319,000,000 build that's 31,900,000 people.

If 30% of their 126,000,000 do then that is 37,800,000.



That's swell but it's all just anecdotal hearsay, proving and worth nothing. Do you have any independent, verifiable numbers, about any aspect of the relative hobby mqarkets?

KL
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
You mean like you do for your evil cabal of model companies?
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:21 AM UTC
Actually it's an indication of cultural trends based on sociological study. Which if it goes against someone's belief system is casually dismissed as anecdotal hearsay.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 01:41 PM UTC

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One thing to remember is the Japanese model market is much bigger then North America.



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And there is a Girls und Panzer Der Film tie-in! So I was close. Actually the Fine Molds kit was already boxed as it so this is probably Dragon trying to get a tighter hold on the market.

Model building looms larger in their popular culture as does animation and manga. When was the last time you took the train and saw people reading comic books or model building magazines the size of a phone book?

One example: the USA model building is something to make fun of in Calvin and Hobbes, there it's treated seriously with an experienced builder showing a newbie the ropes (and she's wearing a Tamiya apron!) Even down to seam scraping and using putty! When was the last time you saw that in a popular show?

It's different. Anime sites advertise the model kit tie-ins. Comic book sites in the US advertise toys.



Model-building is DEFINITELY more popular in Japan than in the United States- Just LOOK at how many "Modelling Magazines", publications and "How To" books are printed in Japan, IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE. Look at all the various videos of Japanese Hobby Shows- (Shizuoka, for instance) These shows ARE PACKED with people in Japan, whereas in the US, naahhh...

When was the last time you saw a young kid in an American Hobby Shop buying a model? Most times, it's the Dad buying the model for himself, and the kid is standing around, looking extremely bored, rolling his eyes and playing with his cellphone!!! The kid CAN'T WAIT to get out of that place to go skateboarding with his so-called friends who have no personalities or social skills...

It's TRUE... There are, and have been times when I've been asked about my various hobbies- Inevitably, when I mention that I ALSO build models in addition to my other interests, there always seems to be a thinly-disguised smirk of derision on the face of the person doing the asking...

"Oh, he plays with MODELS..."

WE are a dying breed in this country, gentlemen...
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:02 PM UTC
Very true Dennis, unfortunately very true.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:22 PM UTC

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Very true Dennis, unfortunately very true.



Thank You, John... I hated to say it, but I feel that my last comment needed saying. Sooner or later our hobby will go the way of the Dodo Bird in this country, where NOTHING is appreciated any more. Many of our younger folks have become so cynical and jaded because "it's cool" to be that way... Just watch any American sit-com, and the sarcastic kids are ALWAYS six times smarter than their "clueless" parents. And THAT'S funny..? What a GREAT influence!!!

Alright, shutting up now...
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:32 PM UTC

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Actually it's an indication of cultural trends based on sociological study. Which if it goes against someone's belief system is casually dismissed as anecdotal hearsay.



Really? Where was this sociological study published? 'Cause, you know, if it's just based on what you saw it's an anecdote and if it's based on what you heard, it's hearsay.

I'm not saying it's impossible that the Japanese market is bigger than the Western markets, I'm just saying that there have been a lot of "I heard" and "I saw" thrown around over the years and repeated as gospel but I've yet to see a single piece of actual data - numbers - published by a government, a trade association, a university, an NGO, or even a company.

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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:43 PM UTC

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Sooner or later our hobby will go the way of the Dodo Bird in this country . . .



That's the nature of everything. Baseball isn't as popular as it once was. Men don't wear hats to go outside. Cars rarely use carburetors. We're typing here instead of writing letters. "Sooner or later" is a long time, and things change for many reasons. There is no reason to think scale plastic modeling is immune.

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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:44 PM UTC
I'm just starting to get back into the hobby myself, having a little more free time, and I must say that I seem to remember the shows having MANY more entrants. When was the last time you saw a category split because of too many entries? 1/35 scale WWII used to have to be split into Axis/Allied, now even at Armorcon, which was an awesome show by the way, we couldn't even fill up one table. I'm not complaining, though it may sound that way, it's just my observation after being away for many years.

I agree with you about how this hobby is looked at here as opposed to other countries, look at the photos of shows from this country, and compare them to other countries shows. I know that its not always that way, but it seems like it is.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:48 PM UTC
It is not only in Japan, modelling is more popular in Europe then it is in North America. Having been to a few shows in England, you can definitely see a trend that is not shown in North America.

While attending SMW a few years back, I saw that Airfix has a large area with tables set up. They were providing youth with a model, a space to work, tools, and guidance right at the show. And the area was very busy.

I have not seen that at ANY North American show. I have seen next to nothing in North America that is trying to get the youth involved in the hobby.
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:01 PM UTC
In my opinion we have to try harder to pry the "Sickness" out of the hands of all our "cell phone zombies" and bring them back to the real world, not just to modeling mind you, but to ANYTHING that is NOT PLUGGED IN!
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:40 PM UTC

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Sooner or later our hobby will go the way of the Dodo Bird in this country . . .



That's the nature of everything. Baseball isn't as popular as it once was. Men don't wear hats to go outside. Cars rarely use carburetors. We're typing here instead of writing letters. "Sooner or later" is a long time, and things change for many reasons. There is no reason to think scale plastic modeling is immune.

KL





Agree- That's why I said what I said. However, the general apathy towards everything by the "millennials", and each succeeding generation that came after them, disturbs me. Isn't there anything besides "push-button technology" that actually INTERESTS these people? You mention baseball and wearing hats, (I personally have about a dozen different Fedoras that I like to wear when I go further than my mailbox ), but those are just TWO examples... Even playing with Drones is "push-button" entertainment. WHO are we going to get to fix our cars or washing machines or (insert your choice here), once the current generation of "real" mechanics retire..? My own Nephew David is one of the top CNC machinists and Team Leader at the Machine Tooling plant where he works- He's 42 years old, and even HE says that the younger guys at the shop just AREN'T INTERESTED in learning how things work, and it's their LIVELIHOOD! But try to get him to put his "Smart-phone" down and quit texting for FIVE MINUTES! UH-UH, nope. Not gonna happen!

Sure, there are kids that are still actively building, painting and detailing models around, but there are less of them in each succeeding year as time goes by. It's not just modelling, either. One of my Great-Nephews graduated high school this last June. He still likes to go huntin' with his paternal Grandfather, but HE IS THE ONLY ONE in his whole Graduating Class of 2016, (It's a small school, with only 200 or so Graduates), that still hunts... Maybe I'm just too much of an "old fogey" because I still have the "old values"- You don't wear a hat or a ball-cap when you sit down at the dinner table, you say, "Please" and "Thank You", you wipe your shoes, (or take them off), before you walk into the house- You get the idea...

Sorry guys, for all my "pontificating"...
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:41 PM UTC
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The kid CAN'T WAIT to get out of that place to go skateboarding with his so-called friends who have no personalities or social skills...
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i agree on your post Dannis exept this part...i was like that ,always with with my skate under my feet,punk-rock is my favourite music, always aroud the town or play video game with my "so-called friends who have no personalities or social skills" but i model from when i was 6 now i am nearly 40 i dont skate anymore just becose my back problem but i still go to Punk concerts with my wife and 2 kid's,i have the same friends who are all professionist in different area (doctors,builder,engeniering,landscaper,musicians...) some with family and a nice healty social life even in politics and guess....2 of that orrible skaters have modeling passion like me and you,never judge a book by the cover... ...
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:54 PM UTC

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The kid CAN'T WAIT to get out of that place to go skateboarding with his so-called friends who have no personalities or social skills...
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i agree on your post Dannis exept this part...i was like that ,always with with my skate under my feet,punk-rock is my favourite music, always aroud the town or play video game with my "so-called friends who have no personalities or social skills" but i model from when i was 6 now i am nearly 40 i dont skate anymore just becose my back problem but i still go to Punk concerts with my wife and 2 kid's,i have the same friends who are all professionist in different area (doctors,builder,engeniering,landscaper,musicians...) some with family and a nice healty social life even in politics and guess....2 of that orrible skaters have modeling passion like me and you,never judge a book by the cover... ...[/quote]

UH-OH, we're STILL "Off-Topic"

I also said there are still some kids that are modelling, and some that do other things, as well. As for myself, I like mostly ALL music from Classical on up to the latest "Pop" or "Rock", or whatever you want to call it- My sister got her first transistor radio in 1958, the same year that I started building models, so I grew up with "Rock 'n' Roll", literally! I can't stand "Metal" or "Rap", and really "weepy-type Country & Western" sets my teeth on edge. The 'skateboarders that I mentioned just so happened to be the first ones that were "handy", along with the "Cell-phone & Texting Culture"- Succeeding generations will mock those people too, someday... Younger people all think that they're unique, until they become "old farts", themselves. I know, because I used to think that my own Dad was "clueless" until I reached about 25-years old. Then, all of a sudden, I REALIZED that he knew what he was talking about, after all...

PS- I still prefer to pick up an actual book to read any time that I want, over a "Kindle" that I have to re-charge, first!
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 06:04 PM UTC

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It is not only in Japan, modelling is more popular in Europe then it is in North America. Having been to a few shows in England, you can definitely see a trend that is not shown in North America.

While attending SMW a few years back, I saw that Airfix has a large area with tables set up. They were providing youth with a model, a space to work, tools, and guidance right at the show. And the area was very busy.

I have not seen that at ANY North American show. I have seen next to nothing in North America that is trying to get the youth involved in the hobby.



EXACTLY MY POINT, Kevin! THANK YOU!!!

I SPECIFICALLY said, "THIS country", meaning the United States...
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:53 PM UTC
In all seriousness...why are people so freaking hung up on the lack of youth in the Hobby? Its almost borderline creepy as of late.

What happened 50-60 YEARS AGO aka the 1950-60s doesn't apply to today's world. I'm almost 42 (from the mid-1970s) and I was the first generation with "evil" video games. I went to my first model show when I was about 14 years old and didn't go again till I was in my early 20's because I got out of model building for a few years (Senior in High school then first 2 years in the Army-was too busy) then got back in the hobby in the mid to late 1990s.

People normally don't get serious about the hobby till they are in their 30-40s most of the time because of College, life, and starting a family. There is a lot more to life then just building plastic.

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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:56 PM UTC
Oh back on topic...I heard about them doing this 4 years ago...took them long enough!
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 08:03 PM UTC
Complaining about the next generation is something that is old as dirt. I'm sure there were Sumerians complaining about the "kids these days!" In the 11th C post-Conquest England, the first gen Normans would complain about their kids, with their long hair and beards, affecting Saxon fashions, etc. In the end, though, the kids are alright. I come from the Gen Xers, and we certainly got our flak about what we did, as did my Dad's generation (he was a hippie in his youth). I expect the current Millenials that get complained about, will be complaining about their children and the "Kids these days! Get off my lawn!"

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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 09:02 PM UTC
If its any consolation, I'm one of those "good-fer-nuthin millennials" (27yrs here) who got into the hobby from films and video games.

Then again, I live in an asian country where modelling is quite popular but the majority of young people here mostly build gundam robots and anime thingies rather than military stuff.

Of course I'm of the latter... gotta be hip and edgy right??
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Posted: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 05:50 PM UTC
I made dozens of Tank kits of Dragon. Then, I realized that most of good kits are labeled "Takada".
One reason is that I am not good with hands. Of course, the other products are NOT bad for other people.

Takada returned to Dragon after three years of blank :-)

...but I am NOT interested in Japanese Tank..
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