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"Duel in the Sky" Official Campaign Thread
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Posted: Monday, May 29, 2006 - 12:02 AM UTC

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to Rob:

"tiny pesky opponent"... If you don't mind me asking, what might you send against my Gotha 'Giant'?....hmmm?......."you smelly english!" :-) :-)

Tread.


LOL, I'll make it a tougher opponent... It'll be William Barker's Camel. Although he didn't bring any down, he did single-handedly engaged Gothas a couple of times. I'll probably do his plane in Oct '17 scheme and there is reference he attacked a Gotha at that time as it was returning from a raid. Since specific aircraft aren't mentioned, you could do any markings you like and we're good to go as the aircraft are in the same time period. I'm looking forward to this campaign.
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Posted: Monday, May 29, 2006 - 07:01 PM UTC
Howdy again Rob,

Hmmmm?........fancy that, a Canadian choosing a fellow Canadian....who'd a thought.

Actually your choice is a dandy one, Barker was a hellavu pilot, and colourful as well. There has been some wee debate about his actual colourings during the time period of which you speak. Below is an example of what is thought to be basically correct.



Also as Flight Commander at the time, he would probably be sporting streamers from the struts. And of course, don't forget to include his 'radiator mascot' which I'm pretty sure he had by that time.
Here's a pic of that for ya...


Part of the "debate' involved his personal choice to remove fabric from the center of his upper wing...now whether he had done that by Fall of 1917 is not clear.

hth.....but of course how you adorn Major Barker's stringbag is entirely up to you........you, "smelly Canuck!"

:-) :-)

Tread.
CDNracer
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Posted: Monday, May 29, 2006 - 11:29 PM UTC

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Hmmmm?........fancy that, a Canadian choosing a fellow Canadian....who'd a thought.

Actually your choice is a dandy one, Barker was a hellavu pilot, and colourful as well. There has been some wee debate about his actual colourings during the time period of which you speak.
Tread.


Treadhead,
LOL, glad to be the opponent, but keep it up and I'll add another one (like Bishop or Collishaw) from the same period and then you'll be in real trouble of being downed for sure Thanks for the pics. I've seen them before, but think they actually show his aircraft as it was when he was in Italy. The Roden kit has markings that I believe are from his days in France... and it is even more colourful.... I guess there is a debate
Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 01:34 AM UTC
Howdy my 'Canuck' opponent.....ehh?

I could most easily be mistaken but here's what my reference's show as his colourings while in Italy...


And while in France it was basically the same appearance, but instead of the big 'N', there was the numeral '1'.

Does this pic look anything like your more "colourful" plans included in the Roden kit?
The reason I ask is; I would just love to know precisely what your Camel is going to look like so I can more easily recognize it when my opportunity comes to SHOOT IT DOWN!!

warm regards, your honourable 'opponent'

Tread.

BTW....a couple of things...you want "colourful"...Bishop's rides would indeed add more than a dash of colour to the engagement {the easier to spot ya!}....and second {this to both you Rob and any other's interested} There's at least enough room for one other opponent!.......Heck, I am a rather large kite in the sky for all you tea-toddling British and maple syrup hording Canuck's to shoot at!

{how's that for corny enticement? }

EDIT: I still think the 'radiator mascot' applies.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 01:17 PM UTC
Hi all!

It's June 1st!

You know what this means! Basicaly that you can start shooting at each other! :-)



The table as been updated. If I made a mistake, just tell me and I will edit it. So far we have 21 duels! We should see a lot of tracers in the sky the next days!

Watch your six very carefully from now on! Good luck to all... except for my opponents of course! :-)

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 03:52 PM UTC

At last I can finally open the Trumpeter 1/32 P40B and do more than just look at it!!!!!!!!!!

Wadware watch out you'll have an Aussie ace on your tail.

On the down side work must have known about this campaign and have decided to make life difficult for me (AGAIN ) so it will be a bumpy start.

Keeping fingers crossed I will get a couple of free hours this weekend and may be able to post some pics early next week.

Newtothegame keep you eyes peeled for that darn hun in the sun.

Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 05:52 PM UTC
Treadhead,
Let the battle begin... Barker's Camel will be similar to the pic you posted except it'll have a metal coloured cowling and 1's instead of N's on it. LOL, the radiator mascot is an interesting idea, but I don't think I'd be able to do it in 1/72... we'll see though. I won't commit to another opponent, but may just surprise you with something... after all, isn't that the way they did it 1:1
I look forward to seeing the opposition
Rob
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 06:42 PM UTC
Been waiting for this day for a while now.. Just so happens I have the day off today so I know what I will be doing all or most of the day..

Wiping drool off the plastic in the kit... So the paint will stick..

Heads up Grant..... Scooter inbound and loaded for bear!!!

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:02 PM UTC
Brian,

Wayne (Wad_Ware) doesn't stand a chance!

I, too, am really excited to finally be able to pull everything out of the box and start to do more than drool. However, I, too, am incredibly busy and may go pretty slow.

Looking forward to your, Wayne's and everyone's progress.

Leon
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Posted: Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:07 AM UTC

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Heads up Grant..... Scooter inbound and loaded for bear!!!


As it happens it is Queen's birthday three day weekend here, and the weather is horrible. The worrying thing is, I will have three campaign models started. :-)
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Posted: Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 11:31 AM UTC
[/quote]

As it happens it is Queen's birthday three day weekend here, and the weather is horrible. The worrying thing is, I will have three campaign models started. :-) [/quote]

3 days off and 3 models.. I was not a math whiz way back when I was in school but I can do that math.

Sounds like a modelers great weekend to me. Chill the drink of your choice and get to cutting, glueing and painting. Especially if the weather is bad..

See you in the skies

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 - 08:19 PM UTC
Wheeeeeeeeeeee. We're off. Re-boxed my F/A18F and F-14B and started the Bf109. Just need some transfers (ordered from Hannants) for the final scheme of my 'Agean Eagle'.
The first photos are in the gallery, e.g.

It should, hopefully, end up like this:

This is fun!

IAN
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 10:17 AM UTC
HEHEHE

Wolfpack, i dont think so,

your airplane will probably end up like this



when i hit u with my hurricane

check your PM and post in right topic

Mirko
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 09:22 PM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

I found another opponent ... or did he find me ? However, Blade26 and I will have a Pacific duel. Please add us to your list...

Number 3! Now I have opponents from 3 continents ....

where is my African, Asian and Aussie (or Oceanian) opponent ... Hmm, it might be hard to find an Antarctican ...

... I'll be the emperor of the world muahahahah ... wait .... nooo ... not the strait jacket

cheers

Steffen



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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:29 PM UTC
Hi guys,

I have chosen my wings. Assuming I have not been mislead by Wikipedia, I have chosen as my plane the

Spitfire Mk. IXe

in scale 1/48 by Hasegawa. It will be an OOB build.

TedMamere,

if you want to, you can repace the "?".

Harm
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:35 PM UTC
Hi Emroglan,

I have chosen my plane. My choice is a Spitfire Mk. IXe in 1/48 scale (I found it cheap, 17 euro's). I based my info on what I found on Wikipedia. If I understood it right these were flying by the summer of 1944, so I think this should be good. So I'll meet you in the sky...

Building will probably start somehwere next week, though the major paintjob will probably wait until at least August.

Cheers,

Harm
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:49 PM UTC
Hello Harm

have you already bought the kit? The Hasegawa Mk.IX is one of the poorer Hasegawa kits. Especially it has dimensional errors in the fuselage and propeller. The new Airfix is much better except it has a pooly detailed cockpit and the desiger totally screwed up th prop (really! ... I think my mother has such things in her kitchen) but it is a better start as propeller are available e.g. from Ultracast and not too expensive.

The "best" Spit IX is the ICM. But there were some issues with the material in the early production runs which resulted in a few sink marks on prop blades, wheels and cannons ..... Those glitches are easily fixed and the kit is cheap...

So when you still have a choice and you do care avoid the Hasegawa. If you do not care about the measures take it, as it is easy to build. BTW There is a correction set available from Loon Models ... which will double the price ....

Here is my ICM in c&m of James Edgar Johnson:



HTH

cheers

Steffen
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 03:17 AM UTC
Well Harm, then it is on as soon as you give the sign. I'm currently building my King Tiger for the meow campaign and I am nearly done painting it, so I may be able to start building my Fw-190 next week as well. My only concern is that I may have to work overtime the following week (that means the end of all things that are nice and good... grumble grumble...).

If you think your 1/48 scale Spitfire can intimidate my 1/72 Fw-190 by sheer size, I laugh at such silly threats you cowardly British pilot!
DutchBird
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Posted: Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 02:20 AM UTC
Hello Steffen,

that is a shame.. I have bought the kit already. And in a sense I do not care about the dimensional errors. This one is intended by me to get back into things and just some easy fun. One day I hope to be able to go all out on one...

You know, I might have seen the ICM one actually...

A shame, but so be it... Thanks for the heads up for the future though...

Emroglan,

I would say lets start somewhere next week! Gives me the chance to clean up and rearrange my room (plus I will have some money again).

Harm
emroglan
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Posted: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 03:18 AM UTC
You name the date and don't forget to PM me! If I'm not away from home for work, we'll go at it together...

Let's see if I can complete my entry for the Meow campaign by then. Looking forward for the duel, too much already have I said.
DutchBird
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Posted: Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 01:33 AM UTC
Well,

I have had some luck. If possible I would like to start this Saturday (June 17).

Harm
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Posted: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 09:42 PM UTC

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No Problem Hockeycoach.
Eric,you want it, you got it!! If you are building Aegean Ghost then It needs an equal nemesis. Then I'll build a Ghost too. F4 takes only an F4 against it!!!!! You'll get a Phantom too.. YEEEEHAAA!!!!

PS: Hockeycoach. One more tip: You can edit your messages after you post them simply by clicking the edit button on the bottom of the message.
Correction: Sorry I wrote F16A for TuAF but our Falcons were C and D as I realized today.


Sorry to say but i don't think that ever a greek and a turkish f-4 have dueled in war period. There is common to be told that the 2 aircrafts had duels over cyprus but there is no historical proof. Greek diplomacy left greek cypriots alone to fight the powerfull turkish armed forces because it didn't had the order from the chief.(You understand which country is the chief of NATO). The f-4 duel every day over the Aegean (political differences) but only in peace time and without firing any misiles. Two times missiles have been launched by the 2 air forces. The first time and that is proved 2 greek f-5 have battled against two F-102 but again war has not been declaired.And the other occasion was again at peacetime and this is not totaly confirmed when a greek mirage 2000 shot down an THK f-16 d.

Sorry to mess you up.
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Posted: Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 01:33 PM UTC


Hiya all. Don't she look grand?

IAN
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Posted: Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:03 PM UTC

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No Problem Hockeycoach.
Eric,you want it, you got it!! If you are building Aegean Ghost then It needs an equal nemesis. Then I'll build a Ghost too. F4 takes only an F4 against it!!!!! You'll get a Phantom too.. YEEEEHAAA!!!!

PS: Hockeycoach. One more tip: You can edit your messages after you post them simply by clicking the edit button on the bottom of the message.
Correction: Sorry I wrote F16A for TuAF but our Falcons were C and D as I realized today.


Sorry to say but i don't think that ever a greek and a turkish f-4 have dueled in war period. There is common to be told that the 2 aircrafts had duels over cyprus but there is no historical proof. Greek diplomacy left greek cypriots alone to fight the powerfull turkish armed forces because it didn't had the order from the chief.(You understand which country is the chief of NATO). The f-4 duel every day over the Aegean (political differences) but only in peace time and without firing any misiles. Two times missiles have been launched by the 2 air forces. The first time and that is proved 2 greek f-5 have battled against two F-102 but again war has not been declaired.And the other occasion was again at peacetime and this is not totaly confirmed when a greek mirage 2000 shot down an THK f-16 d.

Sorry to mess you up.


Well, it still may be allowed since the rules for the campaign do say that the two aircraft never had to have actually tangled with each other, but rather that the possibily existed (or something like that...).

we should let our campaign lead decide of course, but I would weigh in in favor of the proposed duel on that basis.
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Posted: Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 11:20 PM UTC

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Sorry to say but i don't think that ever a greek and a turkish f-4 have dueled in war period.

Sorry to mess you up.


JimtheGreat, not to worry, as our esteemed leader Jean-Luc said:

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"Paul, no the planes must not have fired at each other to enter the "Duel" Campaign, they must just have been rivals at the same time and area. If someone wants to model a Saturn rocket and somebody else a Soyuz rocket, no problem, they would qualify for this group build!"


You will also see that the last two duels on the list are Aggressor duels, and as you yourself say:


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"The f-4 duel every day over the Aegean (political differences) but only in peace time and without firing any misiles. Two times missiles have been launched by the 2 air forces. The first time and that is proved 2 greek f-5 have battled against two F-102 but again war has not been declaired.And the other occasion was again at peacetime and this is not totaly confirmed when a greek mirage 2000 shot down an THK f-16 d."


Originally we were going to do an F-5 vs F-102 duel, this then evolved into Mirage 2000 vs F-16D, which as you have mentioned have actually shot at each other. This finally evolved into F-4s facing each other as we both like the F-4.
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