I have gotten some good feedback on a campaign proposal for AFVs with interiors in the previous discussion "You Will Know It Is In There". This is my first campaign proposal, so don't be too hard on the Butterbar.
The proposal was "Armored fighting vehicles with aftermarket interiors or engine compartments, not typically visible when completed. This will be a chance to show off all your hard work inside an AFV. No restriction on scale or type of AFV. No restriction on start date, so you can use previous builds. The only restriction is that one of your pictures will need to show the aftermarket kit, in place, before the vehicle is closed up."
Now let me throw out some questions for your learned opinions.
The original idea was for an AFV with an aftermarket interior or engine compartment. Then it was pointed out to me there are kits that have decent interiors. Should these be included?
My concept was an interior or engine that would be hidden or covered up in such a manner that only the builder would know it is in there. What about something ike a Marder with an open fighting compartment?
I was asked if scratchbuilt interiors would also be permissable. I am inclined to think scratchbuilt interiors should be welcomed because they show the love we put into areas not normally seen.
My questions for you are;
1. Should kits that come with interiors be included?
2. Should open compartment vehicles be included?
3. Should scratchbuilt interiors be included?
If you are interested in this build or have an opinion, post a reply.
"Treat 'em Rough"
Carl Althaus
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CaptainA
Joined: May 14, 2007
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Posted: Friday, May 18, 2007 - 06:49 PM UTC
markm
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Posted: Friday, May 18, 2007 - 07:47 PM UTC
Hey Carl,
Your original post on this one got some good feedback and it looks like it will be a great campaign. We should have you approved and ready to go. The only difference will probably be pushing the start date out until 7-1-07 instead of 6-1-07 to give the participants time to gather what is needed.
Your original post on this one got some good feedback and it looks like it will be a great campaign. We should have you approved and ready to go. The only difference will probably be pushing the start date out until 7-1-07 instead of 6-1-07 to give the participants time to gather what is needed.
sherman62
Joined: December 23, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 05:46 AM UTC
Hi Carl,
Personally, I like your concept. As far as specifying detail that is not visible when finished though, I doubt many people build this way.
Also the line between styrene/resin/scratchbuilt is going to be pretty blurry as the first two usually require scratch work to look really good.
So I would keep the rules as simple and wide open as possible. This should ensure a good turnout. Let the voters seperate the great from the awesome.
I don't know if I'll be able to squeeze one out for this campaign, but I'll be glued to the monitor either way.
Regards, John
Personally, I like your concept. As far as specifying detail that is not visible when finished though, I doubt many people build this way.
Also the line between styrene/resin/scratchbuilt is going to be pretty blurry as the first two usually require scratch work to look really good.
So I would keep the rules as simple and wide open as possible. This should ensure a good turnout. Let the voters seperate the great from the awesome.
I don't know if I'll be able to squeeze one out for this campaign, but I'll be glued to the monitor either way.
Regards, John
byrdman
Joined: February 28, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 06:25 AM UTC
Carl
Since this is a "voting" competition and non judged per say i think you should leave it AFV"s and let the cream rise to the top! And oh by the way i love your idea!! Few things more impressive in modeling than full fighting compartments, engine bays, gun mount's etc. grreat idea.
Happy modeling, Byrdman
Since this is a "voting" competition and non judged per say i think you should leave it AFV"s and let the cream rise to the top! And oh by the way i love your idea!! Few things more impressive in modeling than full fighting compartments, engine bays, gun mount's etc. grreat idea.
Happy modeling, Byrdman
sherman62
Joined: December 23, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 07:06 AM UTC
Dennis,
In looking at the Campaign page, I don't believe that the build is judged or voted at all. And if not, that is great. Less pressure, more fun! But I am new to this and will await more definitive word.
Regards, John
BTW, looking around, I have at least four interior projects started. Surely I can finish one!
In looking at the Campaign page, I don't believe that the build is judged or voted at all. And if not, that is great. Less pressure, more fun! But I am new to this and will await more definitive word.
Regards, John
BTW, looking around, I have at least four interior projects started. Surely I can finish one!
CaptainA
Joined: May 14, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 07:44 PM UTC
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Carl
Since this is a "voting" competition and non judged per say i think you should leave it AFV"s and let the cream rise to the top! And oh by the way i love your idea!! Few things more impressive in modeling than full fighting compartments, engine bays, gun mount's etc. grreat idea.
Happy modeling, Byrdman
I think we are going to go with scratchbuilt, resin, or styrene interiors/engine compartments, not normally visible. Of course, you can see these things with hatches opened up, which I think fits my original criteria.
I judge the completeness of a tank by how much it weighs when the last of the paint is dry.
The campaign is now on line if you are ready to sign up.
"Treat 'em Rough"
Carl
markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 03:14 AM UTC
Ok Folks,
The campaign is now official and gallery space has been set up.
Have fun.
The campaign is now official and gallery space has been set up.
Have fun.
markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 04:33 AM UTC
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Dennis,
In looking at the Campaign page, I don't believe that the build is judged or voted at all. And if not, that is great. Less pressure, more fun! But I am new to this and will await more definitive word.
Regards, John
BTW, looking around, I have at least four interior projects started. Surely I can finish one!
It is true that the campaigns are not officially judged or voted on. If your campaign leader wishes to hold some type of internal contest that is fine as well. He can also issue additional awards for things such as number of entries etc. The main object to any campaign is the ability to get everyone together and have a great time.
troubble27
Joined: October 10, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 08:25 AM UTC
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My concept was an interior or engine that would be hidden or covered up in such a manner that only the builder would know it is in there. What about something ike a Marder with an open fighting compartment?
I was asked if scratchbuilt interiors would also be permissable. I am inclined to think scratchbuilt interiors should be welcomed because they show the love we put into areas not normally seen.
My questions for you are;
1. Should kits that come with interiors be included?
2. Should open compartment vehicles be included?
3. Should scratchbuilt interiors be included?
If you are interested in this build or have an opinion, post a reply.
"Treat 'em Rough"
Carl Althaus
Well, its just my opinion, but, I always believed campaigns should include as many people as possible. So, if it were up to me, I would include all over the 3 categories listed above. They all pertain to interiors, and that seems to be the general theme here. but then again, thats just my .02. Good luck with the campaign! Id join in, but my plate is kinda full at the moment.
Gary
Stillhawk
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 12:30 PM UTC
This being now the official thread, here then is my formal post: I'm in.
exer
Joined: November 27, 2004
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 02:23 PM UTC
I'll be doing an M4A3E8 with an interior. Here are some of the parts cast up for me by John Eary
Now I have to pick up the Thunderbolt kit before the campaign starts.
Now I have to pick up the Thunderbolt kit before the campaign starts.
CaptainA
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 04:18 PM UTC
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I'll be doing an M4A3E8 with an interior. Here are some of the parts cast up for me by John Eary
Now I have to pick up the Thunderbolt kit before the campaign starts.
That looks likea nice interior. Would he happen to have an M4 (w) interior with the 75 mm gun and a radial engine? I needto build a 75 mm M4 belonging to the 191 Tank Battalion sometime soon.
I have enjoyed your posts in the past. I lookforward to seeing what you put together for this one.
Carl
exer
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 06:22 PM UTC
I think CMK do an interior for the M4. Verlinden I think do a radial engine. John scratch built this interior and cast up a few copies (for a reasonable cost) for those interested.
sherman62
Joined: December 23, 2006
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2007 - 03:52 PM UTC
Hi Pat,
Looks a bit dodgy. Good Luck! LOL Don't be in too big a hurry. There are a few more parts coming your way.
Carl, I'm doing an M4A3 75mm Wet. I always liked the "Classy Peg" markings. I'll be using a lot of the same parts as Pat but with different hull ammo stowage. Also the turret interior will mostly be The Tank Workshop late interior which is for a 75mm. Don't think I'll put an engine in, though it would be nice.
That's the plan, now if I had the time...
Regards, John
Looks a bit dodgy. Good Luck! LOL Don't be in too big a hurry. There are a few more parts coming your way.
Carl, I'm doing an M4A3 75mm Wet. I always liked the "Classy Peg" markings. I'll be using a lot of the same parts as Pat but with different hull ammo stowage. Also the turret interior will mostly be The Tank Workshop late interior which is for a 75mm. Don't think I'll put an engine in, though it would be nice.
That's the plan, now if I had the time...
Regards, John
spongya
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Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 07:35 PM UTC
So how do campaigns get finally accepted? I proposed the very same one, but the votes weren't enough... Then there was a helicopter campaign I proposed, and someone else got to be the leader.
I'm confused.
I'm confused.
markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 07:46 PM UTC
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So how do campaigns get finally accepted? I proposed the very same one, but the votes weren't enough... Then there was a helicopter campaign I proposed, and someone else got to be the leader.
I'm confused.
Watch for an incoming PM
cuales
Joined: February 21, 2004
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 04:36 AM UTC
I have to say that I'm also in, I've got a couple of projects I have always wanted to work on. Great idea by the way!
CaptainA
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 04:59 PM UTC
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I have to say that I'm also in, I've got a couple of projects I have always wanted to work on. Great idea by the way!
So what are you going to make?
This looks like it's going to be a good campaign. Whenever I go to the Patton Museum, I see kids climbing on the tanks, and trying to open the hatches. Everybody wants to see what's inside.
cuales
Joined: February 21, 2004
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 05:13 PM UTC
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I see kids climbing on the tanks, and trying to open the hatches. Everybody wants to see what's inside.
heheh, I used to think tanks were full of infantry.
I think I PM'd you about what I was going to build.
CaptainA
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 01:58 AM UTC
heheh, I used to think tanks were full of infantry.
I think I PM'd you about what I was going to build. [/quote]
Full of infantry...Full of cr**. Same thing. Been there, done that.
I think I PM'd you about what I was going to build. [/quote]
Full of infantry...Full of cr**. Same thing.
Been there, done that.CaptainA
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Posted: Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:11 AM UTC
We already have 9 people signed up for the Heart of Gold Campaign, set to kick off on July 1, 2007. Stillhawk has signed on as the assistant campaign leader. It looks like it will be an interesting and diverse campaign.
So far, it looks like we will have a; Sd.Kfz. 234/4 with a scratch built interior, a Tamiya M4A3 75mm with fighting compartment interior, a Panther D with a TWS Interior, an Aufklarungspanzer 38(t), an M4A3E8 with an interior cast up by John Eary, A StuG III enhanced with a Verlinden interior and engine compartment, and an M2 or M3.
You should enlist if you would like to build one of these great machines, or any other AFV. You should not be the only one who knows it is in there.
The Rules and Regulations for this campaign are:
1. Armored fighting vehicles with an interior or engine compartment, not typically visible when completed. (An M3 Halftrack with an interior would work because it has a cab that is not typically seen when the doors are closed. If it has an engine, that would also qualify it. The fighting compartment of an AFV like the Marder II is not typically hidden, so it would not qualify, unless it has work done in a hidden area such as the engine or drivers compartment.) Aftermarket interiors or engine compartments are encouraged, but not necessary. The interior or engine compartment can be resin, scratch built, or styrene. If you are not sure if something will qualify, you can PM me and I will clarify it for you.
2. No restriction on scale or type of AFV. (A HMMWV with add on Armor is an AFV. Somebody should do one of those. A VW is not an AFV unless it has some type of armor added.)
3. No restriction on start date, so you can use previously completed builds.
4. The only real restriction is that one of your pictures will need to show the interior or engine compartment, in place inside the model, before the vehicle is closed up. If you are using a previous build, you should take off the turret or open the a hatch to show off the interior/engine compartment.
5. Multiple entries are encouraged.
6. Dioramas are encouraged.
7. The Order of the Golden Heart will be awarded to everybody who completes the campaign. This award can be viewed on the Heart of Gold Campaign under the Campaign Tab.
8. Enjoy the build.
So far, it looks like we will have a; Sd.Kfz. 234/4 with a scratch built interior, a Tamiya M4A3 75mm with fighting compartment interior, a Panther D with a TWS Interior, an Aufklarungspanzer 38(t), an M4A3E8 with an interior cast up by John Eary, A StuG III enhanced with a Verlinden interior and engine compartment, and an M2 or M3.
You should enlist if you would like to build one of these great machines, or any other AFV. You should not be the only one who knows it is in there.
The Rules and Regulations for this campaign are:
1. Armored fighting vehicles with an interior or engine compartment, not typically visible when completed. (An M3 Halftrack with an interior would work because it has a cab that is not typically seen when the doors are closed. If it has an engine, that would also qualify it. The fighting compartment of an AFV like the Marder II is not typically hidden, so it would not qualify, unless it has work done in a hidden area such as the engine or drivers compartment.) Aftermarket interiors or engine compartments are encouraged, but not necessary. The interior or engine compartment can be resin, scratch built, or styrene. If you are not sure if something will qualify, you can PM me and I will clarify it for you.
2. No restriction on scale or type of AFV. (A HMMWV with add on Armor is an AFV. Somebody should do one of those. A VW is not an AFV unless it has some type of armor added.)
3. No restriction on start date, so you can use previously completed builds.
4. The only real restriction is that one of your pictures will need to show the interior or engine compartment, in place inside the model, before the vehicle is closed up. If you are using a previous build, you should take off the turret or open the a hatch to show off the interior/engine compartment.
5. Multiple entries are encouraged.
6. Dioramas are encouraged.
7. The Order of the Golden Heart will be awarded to everybody who completes the campaign. This award can be viewed on the Heart of Gold Campaign under the Campaign Tab.
8. Enjoy the build.
SGTJKJ
#041
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 09:51 PM UTC
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Nice banners.
Wanna do one for my Heart of Gold Campaign on Armorama?
Hi Carl, no problem. How does this look?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a347/ravenwing1/HeartofGoldcampaign.jpg
I did not know what to call this type of campaign, so I choose "Aftermarket Campaign" Let me know what you think. If you have any pictures, text and/or other suggestions - let me know.
SGTJKJ
#041
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 10:25 PM UTC
Hi Carl, I am not sure if a Sturmtiger with a kit supplied interior will qualify?
It is definently hidden when the model is build and it includes the basic interior, but it is not super detailed. Would this qualify for the campaign if build out of the box?
It is definently hidden when the model is build and it includes the basic interior, but it is not super detailed. Would this qualify for the campaign if build out of the box?
CaptainA
Joined: May 14, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 07:00 AM UTC
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Hi Carl, I am not sure if a Sturmtiger with a kit supplied interior will qualify?
It is definently hidden when the model is build and it includes the basic interior, but it is not super detailed. Would this qualify for the campaign if build out of the box?
Yes it will qualify. Great banner. Thanks a bunch. I was just being humorous, but still, thanks again.
SGTJKJ
#041
Joined: July 20, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 05:48 PM UTC
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Quoted TextHi Carl, I am not sure if a Sturmtiger with a kit supplied interior will qualify?
It is definently hidden when the model is build and it includes the basic interior, but it is not super detailed. Would this qualify for the campaign if build out of the box?
Yes it will qualify. Great banner. Thanks a bunch. I was just being humorous, but still, thanks again.
Great, then I am in for this one.
I checked my references yesterday and all the basics are included in the interior. (Transmission, gun breach, shell racks, shell laying track, basic engine etc.) There are still possibilities for adding a little extra as small radios etc. I might try to do that. 
Glad that you liked the banner
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