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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 04:50 AM UTC
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Excellent! I know that this vehicle, (what is it really called?) really stands out, very innovative and really says Aussie adaptability.
Isn't it the Land Rover Perentie 6x6 LRPV ?
(or should I say Tata Land Rover Perentie 6x6 LRPV now **...
)
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http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/03/25/business/OUKBS-UK-FORD-TATA.phpFrenchy
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Col. George W.Patton III 's standing order for the troopers of the 11th Armoured Cavalry Regiment
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 07:48 AM UTC
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I do see what you mean but this is much later, these are Defender 110's not Series 3 are they not? I suspect there were many units with differing needs. By all accounts these vehicles were purpose fitted for the task at hand were they not? I'm not saying you are wrong about the gun boots, I'm just saying that the situation was fluid and one might find a picture of a pinkie in action with them or without.
Your correct mate, In my haste this morning I did not look closely at them but will find my article.
One of my closest friends left me back while we were serving together in the far east, during the mid 60's, to join the Guards independant Para Sqn..Sadly, they were disbanded shortly after he got in, he then decided to try and join the SAS!!
Well the rest as they say is history, he finally retired last year as a Major, have spent the entire time serving with them, moving up through the ranks and sporting a suntan each time he came to visit us...
He did say that much of the equipment they used over time was a direct result of, beg, borrow and appropriate ?? After much trial and error, proof of the pudding etc. the MoD and government finally got real about consulting them and purchasing the right items they needed for the jobs at hand.
Keith.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 09:30 AM UTC
NO! it was never a Land Rover (UK, Ford etc) product. It was a JRA (Jaguar Rover Australia) product made to Australian design and specs (modifications of the Brit 110) as were the rest of Australias 110 fleet which differed a lot from the original LR product (engine, suspension , electrics etc). The Australian Government holds the Patents for the 6X6 variants as they were a Defence sourced design. LR (UK) found this out to their cost when they made and exported some (NOT the LRPV).
AL
As a matter of interest these were the first vehicles into IRAQ during GW2.
Al
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 10:13 AM UTC
Keith
I look forward to your article. Your friend must have had some great stories (or not because of OPSEC). I had missed your post about the white metal frame and the heavy jiggy spring, yes that scared me when I saw them and you are correct that the SAS version looks a little bit builder friendly. I have two Revell 109's Series III with the Firing Line etch and wheels still in the boxes, that make 4 and another AA Land Rover XD TUM G.S., now I'm embarrassed. I can't help myself when it come to the Land Rovers, they just offer so many possibilities.
I was delighted when I met a man from Zeehan Tasmania that owned a new Defender and he handed me the keys. Well I marched over and struggled into the cramped drivers area (opposite what I am used to) and could not depress the clutch. My knees were splayed around the steering wheel, I felt like a sardine. Needless to say I was disappointed.
Does anyone know if anyone has seen detailed drawings for the 6x6 LRPV?
Best
Bill
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Northern Ireland, United Kingdom
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 10:14 AM UTC
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The Italeri kit depicts a Landrover 109 Series II from the '70s outfitted for service in N. Ireland . It is not a modern Defender 110, as you posted in the pic above. These have not been used in Iraq or Afghanistan. They were replaced by newer versions (up through the Searies III and 110 Defender as used today).
Quite frankly, GARBAGE !!
A vehicle in this configuration would NOT have been deployed in Northern Ireland, for numerous reasons. Way back in the very early day's, Series 2A's were seen with only the canvas soft top fitted, often rolled up or removed completely, to enable the troop's to de-bus rapidly and offer better field of vision. As the threat level rose, they would have 'field' modifications added in the form of simple wire mesh grill's fitted to wind screen's and side's of the canvas tilt frame's. The same modifications that were carried out in theatre recently due the crippling lack of armour protected vehicle's for the boy's on the ground in Iraq/A'stan !! Show's how much we've learned !!
As thing's progressed, the S2/2A's were replaced with the S3, with the fitting of the Makrolon VPK (vehicle protection kit). This offered small arm's/shrapnel splinter protection to a degree.These in turn were replaced by the Glover Webb APV (Armoured Patrol Vehicle) with distinctive 'boxed out' bodywork for the rear crew compartment. With the introduction of the Courtaulds CAV100/Snatch vehicles (Composite Armoured Vehicles), these were withdraw'n into storage and refurb'd. Some have now been passed into Iraq'i Police service with new engine/gearbox/axle and paint job.
Rhone, France
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 06:42 PM UTC
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NO! it was never a Land Rover (UK, Ford etc) product. It was a JRA (Jaguar Rover Australia) product made to Australian design and specs (modifications of the Brit 110) as were the rest of Australias 110 fleet which differed a lot from the original LR product (engine, suspension , electrics etc). The Australian Government holds the Patents for the 6X6 variants as they were a Defence sourced design. LR (UK) found this out to their cost when they made and exported some (NOT the LRPV).
AL
As a matter of interest these were the first vehicles into IRAQ during GW2.
Hi Al
I have no problem standing corrected...I've based my assertion on
THIS ...maybe I should be given the benefit of extenuating circumstances
Frenchy
"Find the Bastards, then Pile On"
Col. George W.Patton III 's standing order for the troopers of the 11th Armoured Cavalry Regiment
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 09:31 PM UTC
Forgiven, there is a bit of a spiel on the perentie there but doesn't go into how much was JRA/Defence Design. The Isuzu Diesel was an Aussie addition etc.
The Government got into a commercial fight with LR (UK) who tried to onsell some of the unique Australian variants which they claimed as Intellectual copyright but was in fact Ip owned by the Australian Government under the development contract with JRA.
Cheers
Al
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 10:31 PM UTC
As stated above, that version was not seen in Northern Ireland, FAR to aggressive visually and would have caused an international stir!..
Now this beastie below was seen on display at the DSEI show in 2007. in the UK by Land Rover..
Keith.
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 01:15 AM UTC
A couple more shots of in service Rovers, the newer, lightweight but stronger wheels (seen in the lower picture and DSEI exhibition 6X6). were added when the weight load went up due to Bowman radios being added and more items required for extended operational time capability..
This one taken by a member of D Sqn. The Household Cavalry regiment,
AP photo.
Keith.
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 01:30 AM UTC
As promised Aussie SAS 6X6 LRPV. As you can see there is still a ways to go.
Cheers Jason
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 02:28 AM UTC
I'm not sure how much "exotic" you wanna go, but here is an interesting variant.
It's slightly modified (mostly the equipment) LR Defender 110 used by Czech 601st Special Forces Group during their missions in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom) in 2006. The pictures are great in the sense that when you move a mouse cursor over them, it indicates various equipment and weapon systems attached to the vehicle:
http://www.601skss.cz/english/ramlrd_en.htmlAn here is a brief summary of their involvement in Enduring Freedom and some photos from out there:
http://www.601skss.cz/english/ef2006_en.htmlhttp://www.601skss.cz/english/gallery/picture_gallery.htmlCheers
-Alesh-
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 02:52 AM UTC
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These in turn were replaced by the Glover Webb APV (Armoured Patrol Vehicle) with distinctive 'boxed out' bodywork for the rear crew compartment.
Of which a model IS available...
I'm going to put a review of this one up soon. But before you all start raiding the kids piggy banks, it's a resin and metal kit in 1/43....
Henk
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 03:04 AM UTC
Jason
There is a lot of work gone into that and as you say, more to come but it is looking really nice. Do you know what the donor kit was for the original body?
You know I have always wondered why there weren't more plastic Defenders on the market? This has been sited before but there clearly is a lot of interest in them. I tried many many times to find out about the Italian retailer Steel Models (Historica Models, see Perth Military Models reviews) one but nobody would answer my emails.
[email protected] There was one from Hong Kong that looked pretty nice as well but I have never seen one in person.
Thanks for posting the pictures great bit of scratch building.
Bill
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 07:01 AM UTC
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The Italeri kit depicts a Landrover 109 Series II from the '70s outfitted for service in N. Ireland . It is not a modern Defender 110, as you posted in the pic above. These have not been used in Iraq or Afghanistan. They were replaced by newer versions (up through the Series III and 110 Defender as used today).
Quite frankly, GARBAGE !! A vehicle in this configuration would NOT have been deployed in Northern Ireland, for numerous reasons....
Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say North
Africa and Europe. Either way, they were used in the '70s though.
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Showcase
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 08:03 AM UTC
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Do you know what the donor kit was for the original body?
Thanks for posting the pictures great bit of scratch building.
Jason,
Thanks for posting that, your photography makes it look better than I remember!
Bill,
The back end is 100% scratch, the front was a resin repop from Hong Kong. It had to be widened for use in a 6x6, which proved interesting. Thanks for your kind words.
Greg
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 10:42 AM UTC
Greg
That is some serious research and modelling skill, I hope one day it'll be resin so I can have one as well. I remember when you posted it first it raised quite a stir. Does the company that makes the Defender in HK still make them?
Hope you're well and you have something as interesting on your bench.
Bill
Slowly, slowly catch your monkey.
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 12:12 PM UTC
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These in turn were replaced by the Glover Webb APV (Armoured Patrol Vehicle) with distinctive 'boxed out' bodywork for the rear crew compartment.
Of which a model IS available...
I'm going to put a review of this one up soon. But before you all start raiding the kids piggy banks, it's a resin and metal kit in 1/43....
Henk
Only this ain't a Glover Webb APV, this particular beastie is a Royal Ulster Constabulary 'Tangi', built in N.I. Tangi is the Swahili word for tank, and the chap who was responsible for the development of armouring Police vehicles here when it started to get hot, actually served with the Kenyan Police around the time of the Mau Mau uprising.
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 12:29 PM UTC
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Only this ain't a Glover Webb APV, this particular beastie is a Royal Ulster Constabulary 'Tangi', built in N.I.
Thanks for that info Colin. That one caught me out...
At least I got the Land Rover bit right...
Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 06:29 AM UTC
No bother Henk, I will try and have a rummage through my archive of stuff over the weekend, and attempt to upload some shot's to show the difference's in these truck's.
Colin.
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 09:40 AM UTC
Thanks Colin, much appreciated.
The early bird may catch the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese...
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 11:08 AM UTC
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The Italeri kit depicts a Landrover 109 Series II from the '70s outfitted for service in N. Ireland . It is not a modern Defender 110, as you posted in the pic above. These have not been used in Iraq or Afghanistan. They were replaced by newer versions (up through the Searies III and 110 Defender as used today).
Quite frankly, GARBAGE !! A vehicle in this configuration would NOT have been deployed in Northern Ireland, for numerous reasons. Way back in the very early day's, Series 2A's were seen with only the canvas soft top fitted, often rolled up or removed completely, to enable the troop's to de-bus rapidly and offer better field of vision. As the threat level rose, they would have 'field' modifications added in the form of simple wire mesh grill's fitted to wind screen's and side's of the canvas tilt frame's. The same modifications that were carried out in theatre recently due the crippling lack of armour protected vehicle's for the boy's on the ground in Iraq/A'stan !! Show's how much we've learned !!
As thing's progressed, the S2/2A's were replaced with the S3, with the fitting of the Makrolon VPK (vehicle protection kit). This offered small arm's/shrapnel splinter protection to a degree.These in turn were replaced by the Glover Webb APV (Armoured Patrol Vehicle) with distinctive 'boxed out' bodywork for the rear crew compartment. With the introduction of the Courtaulds CAV100/Snatch vehicles (Composite Armoured Vehicles), these were withdraw'n into storage and refurb'd. Some have now been passed into Iraq'i Police service with new engine/gearbox/axle and paint job.
Interesting comment but the SAS LR (panther) was deployed briefly in NI in the 70's. They were used to patrol the border country so don't dismiss everything you read so quickly.
Cheers
Spanner
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 08:12 PM UTC
as AL stated regiment wagons were deployed in ulster for a short time 1976 to 77 , they were deployed to south armagh and fermanagh , the basic tamiya kit will do for this job with some minor adjustments post mounted bino,s or navel telescope early iws system mounted on gpmg flare rack mounted in the foot well of the commanders side crash kit in rear of the wagon and two m79,s strapped behind driver and commander stations, plus a couple of other bits and pieces, they were deployed as high profile patrols at first just to let the players know who was in town before undertaking the more traditional covert ops. one in four wagons was also a sextant wagon . pinkies were not painted pink to blend in with the desert ground but to blend with the haze coming from the ground heat the color dispersed very well and was hard to see at a distance, makrolon may have been shrapnel proof to a degree but bullet proof it was not , as some of us unfortunately found out .after one incident we decided to test the makrolon and were ( HORRIFIED ) at the results. we learned very quickly not to believe everything you are told by NIHQ !!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 10:41 PM UTC
I would be interested in seeing some back up on that please.
We were deployed to NI in 1969/70 in Belfast and Derry then on to County Fermanagh and Tyrone and we patroled in Ferrets.
Again I went back in 75 and 78. Dungannon/ Coalisland/ Portadown areas but did not encounter this style of Rover, but did rub shoulders with some SAS lads.
Keith.
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 10:49 PM UTC
what sort of back up do you mean ????
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 11:03 PM UTC
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what sort of back up do you mean ????
With the depth of knowledge and personal accounts available from the members of this huge international site and membership, somebody must have a picture of it, that would be nice for a start.... Purely for a diorama perspective, you understand!...
Keith.
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