The bracket on the tailgate holds a GPMG mount at the rear apparently. Looks like there might be a second weapons mount over the roll bar behind the driver.
Evil bay has some nice pics sometimes when people are showing off their item for sale.
Nige
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okdoky
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 12:07 AM UTC
I saw this Landrover advertised on Evil Bay with a history indicated as built in 1983 and served with the Paras then with a Supply Group in Northern Ireland.
The bracket on the tailgate holds a GPMG mount at the rear apparently. Looks like there might be a second weapons mount over the roll bar behind the driver.
Evil bay has some nice pics sometimes when people are showing off their item for sale.
Nige
The bracket on the tailgate holds a GPMG mount at the rear apparently. Looks like there might be a second weapons mount over the roll bar behind the driver.
Evil bay has some nice pics sometimes when people are showing off their item for sale.
Nige
okdoky
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 12:09 AM UTC
Or is it an airial mount?
Nige
Nige
Boggie
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 12:34 AM UTC
Nige
Is that a Series 3?
Bill
Is that a Series 3?
Bill
Boggie
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 12:51 AM UTC
A few more model ideas
okdoky
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 01:51 AM UTC
Hi Bill
It is very much a series 3 and good to go with the 1/35 or 1/24 kits in plastic rather than the resin.
I have a couple of 1/24 kits I am trying to make my mind up on, but I will more than likely wimp out and do more basic versions, though the evil bay landie does not look so heavily modified as the 110s in the other pics here.
Nige
It is very much a series 3 and good to go with the 1/35 or 1/24 kits in plastic rather than the resin.
I have a couple of 1/24 kits I am trying to make my mind up on, but I will more than likely wimp out and do more basic versions, though the evil bay landie does not look so heavily modified as the 110s in the other pics here.
Nige
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 06:39 AM UTC
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Or is it an airial mount?
Nige
Without being able to zoom in on it for a closer look, it does seem to be a power/antenna socket connector with the screw cap cover. The Dexion style mounting tray above the bulkhead would suggest that it could be an FFR ( Fitted for radio), but the mounting plates for the TUAAMS are missing from the front wing top's.
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 06:58 AM UTC
I was wondering if an aerial mount would be as heavy as that, and in the middle of the vehicle? It looks more like a field modification (scuse me fitter, we would like something to hold a GIMPY about here... 
) , and as Colin mentioned, the TUAAM (Tuner Unit Automatic Aerial Matching ) mounts are not installed, which indicates that it is not a FFR vehicle.
Interesting picture none the less. You see very few (very few indeed) Land Rovers with the windscreen and top halfs of the doors up in this configuration. More scratch building inspiration. This is getting more versatile than WWII German Armour... 
) , and as Colin mentioned, the TUAAM (Tuner Unit Automatic Aerial Matching ) mounts are not installed, which indicates that it is not a FFR vehicle. Interesting picture none the less. You see very few (very few indeed) Land Rovers with the windscreen and top halfs of the doors up in this configuration. More scratch building inspiration. This is getting more versatile than WWII German Armour...
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 11:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Textwhat sort of back up do you mean ????
With the depth of knowledge and personal accounts available from the members of this huge international site and membership, somebody must have a picture of it, that would be nice for a start.... Purely for a diorama perspective, you understand!...
Keith.
There is only the one photo in general curculation and that is in the Tony Gerahty book "This is the SAS (circa /1980) which is a pictorial history of the regt. It shows a Patrol member leaniing back on the fender with Binos. Unfortunately my copy of this book is in an Archive box awaiting removal from my previous home due to divorce.
Does anyone else have a copy of this book?
Al
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 01:02 AM UTC
Here is a good picture > Belize...
And another of a couple of TUM's from the Pathfinder platoon.
As for the Para Rover on evil Bay? I think we have a few private hands civilian modifications added to the beast, making it very much a wannabe item?
The position of the wing mirrors are suspect, the low positioning of the sand channels, the later than mid 80's fire extinguishers! (BCF) were still in use in 1985. The two manpack radios, are thay Clansmen or Larkspur??
The height and position of the so called rear mount for a GPMG is not right. You would need to be a contortionist to fire it. The canvas cross rail is definately in the way of both the weapon and the operator...
I get the feeling this is somebody's pet project ....
Keith.
And another of a couple of TUM's from the Pathfinder platoon.
As for the Para Rover on evil Bay? I think we have a few private hands civilian modifications added to the beast, making it very much a wannabe item?
The position of the wing mirrors are suspect, the low positioning of the sand channels, the later than mid 80's fire extinguishers! (BCF) were still in use in 1985. The two manpack radios, are thay Clansmen or Larkspur??
The height and position of the so called rear mount for a GPMG is not right. You would need to be a contortionist to fire it. The canvas cross rail is definately in the way of both the weapon and the operator...
I get the feeling this is somebody's pet project ....
Keith.
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 01:21 AM UTC
Keith
Are those gun boots on the sides of the front fenders of the Belize vehicle?
Nice pics haven't see these before.
Bill
Are those gun boots on the sides of the front fenders of the Belize vehicle?
Nice pics haven't see these before.
Bill
Keef1648
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 01:52 AM UTC
Yes they are gun boots mate. And 10 FG 75 is now in private hands, owned by Johan Helsingius in Holland.
Mark Finch found and rebuilt 10 FG 75 in it's green guise. Of course, getting it through the Dutch vehicle inspection proved to be less than trivial. No, the machine guns and grenade launchers aren't a problem, but the fact that it doesn't have an interior mirror is. Go figure.
As I understand it, the SAS did not like to carry the SLR 7.62, due to weight and size, much prefering US and other countries weapons available to them.
However, some were carried in different operational locations depending on the task at hand.
The weapon could easily become damaged in the gun boot as some of the boots were bent and even ripped off by the undergrowth, the weapon could also be ejected and possibly lost when travelling across rough country and or allow water and grime/mud etc to find its way inside, unless the gaitor was securely closed.
Not only that, it was a pain to extract when needed, in an immediate action scenario...
Keith.
Mark Finch found and rebuilt 10 FG 75 in it's green guise. Of course, getting it through the Dutch vehicle inspection proved to be less than trivial. No, the machine guns and grenade launchers aren't a problem, but the fact that it doesn't have an interior mirror is. Go figure.
As I understand it, the SAS did not like to carry the SLR 7.62, due to weight and size, much prefering US and other countries weapons available to them.
However, some were carried in different operational locations depending on the task at hand.
The weapon could easily become damaged in the gun boot as some of the boots were bent and even ripped off by the undergrowth, the weapon could also be ejected and possibly lost when travelling across rough country and or allow water and grime/mud etc to find its way inside, unless the gaitor was securely closed.
Not only that, it was a pain to extract when needed, in an immediate action scenario...
Keith.
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:25 AM UTC
Can't have enough of those Aussie 6X6's can we?
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 10:42 AM UTC
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Quite frankly, GARBAGE !!
Nope defintely NOTgarbage - it's a little bit unfortunate that some people tend to say things like "would not have been deployed" as supposedly authoritative statments when there is ample evidence that they were indeed so used.
There are photos and other documents covering green painted SAS Land Rovers in NI; there's at least one published photo in a book called "This is the SAS" published maybe 25 years ago
They had IIRC 10.50x15 bargrips in place of the sand tyres used on desert vehicles and green paint but we otherwise just like the more well known Pink Panthers (In some circles these are referred to as Green Hornets as Pink Panther sounds silly when it's actually green). As far as I can tell they were primarily deployed in the border areas such as South Armagh
Aidrian
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 11:02 AM UTC
Lets just say, are you certain they were crewed by SAS and not 'Green Hornets' (your name not mine) being run around and used by the airborne troops or recce/pathfinder platoons.
I personally dropped off and picked up several teams during the few tours I did in and around counties Tyrone and Fermanagh...They certainly did not want to be known nor did they want to be seen swanning around in marked Rovers, no matter how they were configured. Much preferring to borrow transportation from other units, if and when needed.
It was myself that indicated these beasties were far to aggressive and probably would not have been deployed....
We were subjected in the press to having crewed 'tanks' when we first went, what we actually had was Ferrets, Saladins and Saracens.
Having been on the falls Rd. during "the night of the Armoured Cars" in 69, we were stunned when told that we had to remove every other round from the .30 browning belt, as we were forbidden from using automatic fire ! (go figure) much to agressive.
But that was the governments feeling and directive at the time.
If I am wrong fine, I stand corrected, I will check with the regiment and see what they say.
Keith.
I personally dropped off and picked up several teams during the few tours I did in and around counties Tyrone and Fermanagh...They certainly did not want to be known nor did they want to be seen swanning around in marked Rovers, no matter how they were configured. Much preferring to borrow transportation from other units, if and when needed.
It was myself that indicated these beasties were far to aggressive and probably would not have been deployed....
We were subjected in the press to having crewed 'tanks' when we first went, what we actually had was Ferrets, Saladins and Saracens.
Having been on the falls Rd. during "the night of the Armoured Cars" in 69, we were stunned when told that we had to remove every other round from the .30 browning belt, as we were forbidden from using automatic fire ! (go figure) much to agressive.
But that was the governments feeling and directive at the time.
If I am wrong fine, I stand corrected, I will check with the regiment and see what they say.
Keith.
Keef1648
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 12:51 PM UTC
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Lets just say, are you certain they were crewed by SAS and not 'Green Hornets' (your name not mine) being run around and used by the airborne troops or recce/pathfinder platoons.
I personally dropped off and picked up several teams during the few tours I did in and around counties Tyrone and Fermanagh...They certainly did not want to be known nor did they want to be seen swanning around in marked Rovers, no matter how they were configured. Much preferring to borrow transportation from other units, if and when needed.
It was myself that indicated these beasties were far to aggressive and probably would not have been deployed....
We were subjected in the press to having crewed 'tanks' when we first went, what we actually had was Ferrets, Saladins and Saracens.
Having been on the falls Rd. during "the night of the Armoured Cars" in 69, we were stunned when told that we had to remove every other round from the .30 browning belt as we were forbidden from using automatic fire (go figure) much to agressive.
But that was the governments feeling and directive at the time.
If I am wrong fine, I stand corrected, I will check with the regiment and see what they say.
Keith.
OK, update, lets slay this Dragon once and for all..
In 1969 (unofficially) D Sqn. of the SAS sent its mobility troop to act as search teams and patrol the Antrim coast and Glens looking for arms. (none were found).
They indeed had plain Green Rovers of the 'Pinkie' configuration, 'Green Hornets' if you wish and their home base was the Bessbrook Mill.
The stay was short lived, as they departed for Oman shortly after arriving and really did not return in force (a complete Sqn) and 'officially' until january 1976, announced by the then Prime minister, Harold Wilson.
However, this time it was more of a clandestine/covert war and not as seen before in the overt yet unofficial capacity.
So yes they were there, crewed by the SAS for a short time period.
Everybody happy ? great..
B. Sqn. The Life Guards. 'Derry', very late in 1969.
Keith.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 02:58 AM UTC
Now for something new.
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Jackal, the UK military's latest vehicle is put through its paces at Camp Bastion, southern Afghanistan. The new vehicles will give front line forces a much improved capability over the current weapons platform, the Land Rover based Weapons Mount Installation Kit, or WIMIK. With improved armour, off-road mobility and load-carrying ability the Jackal is far more technologically advanced and suited for its reconnaissance and close fire support tasking than its predecessors [Picture: Corporal Ian Houlding]
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CombatKrieg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 04:43 AM UTC
Anyone knows of aN AGF KIT of the KSK which is a heavily modified Mercedes-Benz G-Class?
HeavyArty
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Anyone knows of aN AGF KIT of the KSK which is a heavily modified Mercedes-Benz G-Class?
Revell just announced a Mercedes G-class Wolf due out later this year in 1/35. It looks like a really nice kit.
I guess I was righ in the first place with the SAS rovers in NI.
NebLWeffah
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 09:39 AM UTC
On the subject of Land Rovers, what is this piece of equipment used for on the 'Pinkie'? I've seen threads about his before here on Armorama but no one came up with an answer. Maybe the collective knowledge here would know:
It's the thing marked 'mystery post'. It's just a post in Tamiya's kit without the hole in the top. It's also in both pics that have been posted already of 10 FG 75. Is it a periscope or episcope of some kind maybe? Anyone know?
Bob
It's the thing marked 'mystery post'. It's just a post in Tamiya's kit without the hole in the top. It's also in both pics that have been posted already of 10 FG 75. Is it a periscope or episcope of some kind maybe? Anyone know?
Bob
CombatKrieg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 06:48 PM UTC
Here are the 2 pics of the KSK's AGL...
Looks like major modification is needed!
Looks like major modification is needed!
okdoky
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:20 AM UTC
Since this is at the front of the vehicle is it possible that this is where they might fit a cable cutter in place to stop the
decapitation.Just a thought as I don't see any other fitting in place.
That Jackell and Merc look really nice.
Nige
Copperalis
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 04:34 AM UTC
The mystery post holds a magnetic compass. The hole near the top has a glass/plastic screen behind which is the compass. A good close-up photo appears on page 31 in the September 2000 issue of the magazine Land Rover Enthusiast.
The box below the mast holds grenades. A fabricated example made during the restoration of pinkie 10FG88 has two compartments, each able to hold a 'pineapple' style grenade. A photo appears on page 125 of the June 2004 issue of Land Rover Enthusiast.
The box below the mast holds grenades. A fabricated example made during the restoration of pinkie 10FG88 has two compartments, each able to hold a 'pineapple' style grenade. A photo appears on page 125 of the June 2004 issue of Land Rover Enthusiast.
Mad_Dan_Eccles
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 10:52 AM UTC
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Lets just say, are you certain they were crewed by SAS and not 'Green Hornets' (your name not mine) being run around and used by the airborne troops or recce/pathfinder platoons.
Keith
"Green Hornets" is/was as far as I can tell a nickname sometimes used by some people to differentiate between an SAS Land Rover painted green from one painted pink.
I had no intention of suggesting the crews were other than SAS and am still not sure how my post conveys anything other than the use of this nickname for the vehicle rather than the people in it
Aidrian
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:50 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextLets just say, are you certain they were crewed by SAS and not 'Green Hornets' (your name not mine) being run around and used by the airborne troops or recce/pathfinder platoons.
Keith
"Green Hornets" is/was as far as I can tell a nickname sometimes used by some people to differentiate between an SAS Land Rover painted green from one painted pink.
I had no intention of suggesting the crews were other than SAS and am still not sure how my post conveys anything other than the use of this nickname for the vehicle rather than the people in it
Aidrian
Your reading it wrong Aidrian... > 'Green Hornets' (your name not mine) being run around and used by the airborne troops or recce/pathfinder platoons.
I was aluding to the name of the vehicle, not the name of the SAS.
Keith.
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