Looking to do the 1/35 tam challenger II (desertised) just wondering if anyone makes a metal barrel for it? there are plenty of 120mm for the abrams but none riffled for the challenger.
also, are there any a/m tracks for the tam kit? i know there are some for the trump kit. or are the tamiya kit ones ok?
thanks,
Richard
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1/35 Challenger II
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 05:59 PM UTC
CombatKrieg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 06:36 PM UTC
Most of the supplied tracks from tamiya will do just fine... For the metal barrel thing, i'm not too sure...
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 02:02 AM UTC
thanks for the info.
Richard
Richard
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 02:34 AM UTC
Accurate Armour out of Scotland is the place to find modern British accessories, and lots of other items. They have a Challenger II track and sprocket set. AA also has lots of other Chally II upgrade/conversion sets too. Lionmark makes a Chally II replacement barrel.
jon_a_its
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 02:37 AM UTC
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Accurate Armour out of Scotland is the place to find modern British accessories, and lots of other items. They have a Challenger II track and sprocket set. Lionmark makes a Chally II replacement barrel as well.
Friendship Models (UK) list it : http://www.friendshipmodels.com/
LM20000: 1/35 Challenger 2 Gun Barrel but... out of stock
maximus8425
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 08:13 AM UTC
There is very little of the tracks visible once the side skirts and and canvas dust covers are in place. Personally I'd save on the replacement track and get the etch update set.
Max
Max
f1matt
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 03:31 PM UTC
I agree with Max about the tracks. The kit supplied tracks are nice, but even if they weren't you can't see 'em in the version deployed in Iraq with the skirts.
-Matt
-Matt
liberator
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 04:32 PM UTC
hi everyone..hi matthew, nice set of bystanders...they look awestrucked when the challenger passes them by. thanks for the photos. 
CombatKrieg
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 05:44 PM UTC
Nice Chally you've got there matt... Nice figures too. 
f1matt
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 07:19 PM UTC
Thanks guys. The figures are the "Arab Street Curiosity" set from Verlinden.
-Matt
-Matt
Navyelephant
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 08:48 PM UTC
The Barrel is fine and the one thing that would justify replacement is the track. Challenger 1 replacement tracks are not the same as the tracks for Challenger 2. I got 2x sets of the C2 track (individual link - which need 3 end connectors per link to be assembled - and take a long time to do). The manufacturer is Armour Track Models and the part no. is TK-13. I sourced them from Lou Stenner Models in the UK.
Kelley
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Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 10:17 AM UTC
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The Barrel is fine and the one thing that would justify replacement is the track. Challenger 1 replacement tracks are not the same as the tracks for Challenger 2. I got 2x sets of the C2 track (individual link - which need 3 end connectors per link to be assembled - and take a long time to do). The manufacturer is Armour Track Models and the part no. is TK-13. I sourced them from Lou Stenner Models in the UK.
Sorry but I disagree. The one piece tracks that are included in the Tamiya kit are some of the best I've seen. I too have the Armour Track set (which I think is now OOP) and when you compare the two, the extra cost isn't worth it in my opinion, especially considering very little of the track runs are visible. For the main gun I'd go with Lion Marc.
Mike
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 05:17 PM UTC
thanks for all the replies guys. i wont bother with the tracks then but i think i will get the barrel, i will wait and see if i think the kit one is good enough.
as for detail sets, which is better, the eduard one, or the voyager one? iv heard the voyager one has the most accurate grills, but it seams each set has bits that the other dosnt.
Richard
as for detail sets, which is better, the eduard one, or the voyager one? iv heard the voyager one has the most accurate grills, but it seams each set has bits that the other dosnt.
Richard
Herchealer
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 06:06 PM UTC
If you email Accurate armour and ask them for just a chally 2 barrel, they will price one for you. I have done this before. They are great people to work with, you might want to try it.
herky
herky
Keef1648
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:58 AM UTC
Quoted Text
thanks for all the replies guys. i wont bother with the tracks then but i think i will get the barrel, i will wait and see if i think the kit one is good enough.
as for detail sets, which is better, the eduard one, or the voyager one? iv heard the voyager one has the most accurate grills, but it seams each set has bits that the other dosnt.
Richard
How much detail versus cost are you willing to decide upon?
When you look closely at the fully laden Challenger 2, as it went into Iraq, it is fairly well festooned with different items, including the Orange recce panel.
The Tamiya photo etch should be enough, along with a Lion Mark barrel.
I agree about the tracks, not enough is showing to justify the cost of after market ones.
Keith.
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 - 04:14 AM UTC
really? i read somewhere that the grills in the tamiya p/e set are inacurate. Is this the case or not? i dont mind paying for the eduard or voyager sets. or if needs be both (my birthday next week lol)
Richard
Richard
Violetrock
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 - 11:00 PM UTC
The Voyager grills are the incorrect ones. Tamiya is correct.
The Voyager ones have the bar in the middle of the screen included, which is incorrect. The bar is under the screen.
Thomas
The Voyager ones have the bar in the middle of the screen included, which is incorrect. The bar is under the screen.
Thomas
Keef1648
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Posted: Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 12:32 AM UTC
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really? i read somewhere that the grills in the tamiya p/e set are inacurate. Is this the case or not? i dont mind paying for the eduard or voyager sets. or if needs be both (my birthday next week lol)
Richard
Sorry for the delay, working yesterday !
Nothing wrong with the Tamiya set and it looks good. I used them on mine and added the Lion Mark barrel
Keith.
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 01:42 AM UTC
lovely challenger mate!!
i guess its between the tamiya one and the eduard one then. still not sure which to go for, il have a look through the eduard instructions sheets, see what its properly like.
Richard
i guess its between the tamiya one and the eduard one then. still not sure which to go for, il have a look through the eduard instructions sheets, see what its properly like.
Richard
FireflyMkIC
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 05:23 PM UTC
I know of no replacement barrels for this kit. The tracks are ok, but they do tend to go brittle over time, especially if painted with enamels.
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 12:54 AM UTC
well the kit and p/e should be here soon.
I was going to get a spray can of tamiya desert yellow but iv heard that is wrong.
would it be better if mixed some tamiya desert yellow into tamiya buff?
thanks,
Richard
I was going to get a spray can of tamiya desert yellow but iv heard that is wrong.
would it be better if mixed some tamiya desert yellow into tamiya buff?
thanks,
Richard
Drader
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:30 AM UTC
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well the kit and p/e should be here soon.
I was going to get a spray can of tamiya desert yellow but iv heard that is wrong.
would it be better if mixed some tamiya desert yellow into tamiya buff?
thanks,
Richard
Copied again from a thread of March last year:
Pasted in from a thread back in December......
The British Army changed its desert colour completely between Op Granby (1991) and Telic (2003).
The MM Gulf Armor Stone colour represents the 1991 shade, not the vivid yellow of 2003 (of course there were a wide variety of 'sand' shades on other vehicles as always). The Osprey Modelling book on the Challenger suggests the following mixes using Tamiya paints
Op Granby (1991) XF59 x 4 + XF57 x 1 + XF19 x 1
Op Telic (2003) XF60 x 3 + XF3 x 1
David
IIRC Xtracolour do the Op Granby colour too.
David
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EasyOff
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 05:33 AM UTC
I just found this post, I hope I'm not to late. I thought that I'd post some pics for you.... Personally, the best challenger that I ever saw. None of the pics below are mine, I just found them on the web here and there and aquired them for a ref. Get inspired!!!
P.S. I hope ya like em, it took 1 1/2 hours to find them in 4 gigs of photos!
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/rpchal-6.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/rpchal-7.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/rpchal-6.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/rpchal-4.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/rpchal-3.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/rpchal-1.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
And then there's always the clean look. You pick! 
[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/Challenger184-2.jpg" BORDER="0">[/img]
Why the pics didn't work, I don't know. Just click the links... they work LOL.... grrrr
EasyOff
P.S. I hope ya like em, it took 1 1/2 hours to find them in 4 gigs of photos!
And then there's always the clean look. You pick!
Why the pics didn't work, I don't know. Just click the links... they work LOL.... grrrr
EasyOff
rjwood_uk
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 09:56 AM UTC
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Op Telic (2003) XF60 x 3 + XF3 x 1
Thanks,
I will be using that!!!
Richard
marcb
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 10:21 AM UTC
You might consider getting a compllete decal sheet from fe Echelon or Bison. The Tamiya decals are rather sparse.
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