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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 03:46 AM UTC

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Well it seems ive been banned from MM, not sure if anyone else is getting this, but if I try to go there it just says 'Service unavailable', truly spectacular in my opinion, and too think im the one being childish-because I dont agree on the stance they are taking on this matter. Oh well I guess I am only 20, what do I know about being mature etc etc


I'm getting the same message, I'm guessing they're having server problems. While I have no doubt that the boss man over there would happily ban me, to go to the lenghths he would have to so that no one who is registered here could even view the site, I don't know, that seems very extreme in the least. I also am unsure if it's possible from a technical standpoint?

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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 04:10 AM UTC
What's sad is that apart from a certain Editor there are some really nice guys over on MM. When it started I had hoped it would be another useful site but given the total lack of management, people skills and paranoia displayed it really had little chance of success.

I have dropped in from time to time to see if there were any interesting articles and out of interested would check the number of new posts. It's been running at about an average of 40 to 50 per day, most by the same small few. For a site of such stature I found that a justifible reflection of peoples lack of willingness to participate, but given the general ignorant and bullying approach to people that actually didn't surprise me.

This latest 'Service not available' is a hoot Maybe the management have finally fluffed that is's a complete failure and shut it down in embarrassment!

If they have gone to such lengths as to block individual users whether logging in or just browsing then that is even funnier, and the 'head in the sand' example only too true.

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Ola guys

Well Again I will note that like a bunch of eels in a bucket of snot the Editors and managers of MM are avoiding the whole issue that was started in this thread. In his latest BS statement, the great leader coughBScough of MM is calling a lot of people upset and the main reason seemed to be "Jealousy and Greed" I have been pondering over this and still am a little puzzled where the Jealousy and greed part comes in at the original issue in which this thread was started. Because looking at it I feel I lost on all points. I actually paid for a cheap looking 3rd rate special magazine. So I lost money and got pretty much nothing in return. Which looks to me to be pretty much the absolute opposite of Jealousy and Greed.

The fun thing I thought was the quote

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"What we don't need, is for those few hours every week that we do have to actually do something we enjoy doing, to be spoilt by a minority of self-important, selfish non-entites, who would rather spend their time attempting to spread the poison of their own little unhappy lives, to others."


Excuse me... when you first did the whole photography ban because you wanted the scoop for your own magazine and eventually reward us with pride a really [auto-censored]ty copy of very low quality... I think it was you lovely people at MM who gave us the poison to spread around... Or would you have thought "Ah those daft people will never notice that. We can get away with it.". I actually still love the if you ignore the problem it is not there attitude of you guys. So again I will remind you to the award given to you by me

Yes it is the Ostrich award 2008 and it goes to you... by the narrowest of margins...Actually that is a lie... you won it not with a noselength but by the length of a few cities. Great job and congrats. I hope you will find a nice place for it in your offices.

As for the whole banning of people because they are critical... and therefore honest. Or simply want to tell you they are feeling ripped off. Because that is what a lot of people (and I'm talking about people paying money for the (not so) special, apart from the mags and the photography ban) feel. It kinda makes me wonder if you people learned business skills in the same classroom as Mao Zedong and Kim Yong Il. "if we don't like you we simply ignore you... and send you away... Very mature... but it surely is a way to make sure you are only surrounded by comrades. Or A$$lickers so you want. I for one don't feel very comfortable in that kind of area... next to the fact it makes your breath smell very bad. That aside... I have not slept a single minute less by the mention of the ban, ( I actually went to the bar to celebrate)... since you opened I have not felt the single urge to sign up. And that urge never appeared either. I have my house here. I like it here. People are friendly, Arguments happen and are solved (mostly) in pretty civilized manners. Sure your way works too. Simply delete everything you don't like. Is also a way of pretending everybody is happy. It kinda reminds me of the movie Equilibrium... if you have not seen it yet you should... some great lessons are to be learned there (next to some of the awesomest shooting scenes and the totally awesome Gun Kata sport). (V for Vendetta is also quite a good example)

As for the Euromilitaire event... well I have never been there. And with this organisation the chance of ever getting there is pretty small. As in non existent. Luckily Europe has some good alternatives. I name a KMK in Belgium or the SMC in Eindhoven, Torrent in Spain. There is enough interesting stuff to be seen there. Equally good models and a perfect ambiance. Which I think do deserve the attention of the magazines. I am afraid with this organisation the Euromilitaire will look like this in the near future



As for all the comments to us the small minority on our small sites.. Please keep in mind that you were the people to provide us with the ammo for this debate and treat people like you yourself want to be treated.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 04:24 AM UTC
Robert, you and PhotoShop should be banned. I've just managed to splutter a reasonable amount of coffee all over the monitor thanks to that extraordinary piece of documentary photography. Unfortunately, perhaps EM will need to change its venue as I don't think the streets of Folkestone are wide enough for this kind of (deserved) homage to the 'Dear Leader'....
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 04:32 AM UTC
[quote][quote]Well, for Michael and the other editors who felt badly treated at EM, the consensus (on the 'other' site) seems to be growing that you have little to complain about:


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I'm afraid that the recent competing magazine articles (about EM) come across as rather sad and weak, and do not do those publications any favours. Surely a much bolder and stronger response would have been for them to take it like a man and not wimper and complain like a child. I am very sorry but I have no sympathy for them.



Chaps

As I have been quoted in the above post, I feel the need to respond - and I hope that this is not taken the wrong way.

Firstly, whilst I am a regular at the MM site, I am also a regular vistor here and I hope that does not change. Both sites have valuable communities and cater for the wide church that is our hobby. The community at the MM site is very tight-knit, dare I say more so than here. This has as much to do with the interaction between the individuals that attend that site as it does with any other matter (such who is and who isn't the editor of that site). I enjoy visting the MM site because of the friendly banter and the interaction between members, which in many cases spills over beyond the confines of the site itself. Please note that this is not a criticism of this site nor it's sisters - I equally enjoy my visits here (and to HF and MSW) for different reasons.

Secondly, I'll address my comments made in relation to the editorials published by competing magazines. I stand by these comments (they are only my opinion). I've read both editorials and to be quite frank neither do their authors any favours (again IMHO). Undoubtedly there are underlying issues flying around this year's EM , one of them being the time related restrictions placed upon competing magazines publishing photographs - in my own opinion I believe that this could have been handled better. However, my comments were primarily related to tone of the editorials, which (once again IMHO) smack of commercial sour grapes. The editors (of these otherwise very good) publications are entitled to feel disappointed but such entitlement does not give them carte blanche to throw their handbags around. I am sorry if my opinion does not chime with others, however, I can reassure my fellow Armourama forum members that this opinion would be the same regardless of which site I visited.

Once again, I hope that the above is taken in the spirit with which it was written.

Many thanks

Karol
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 04:43 AM UTC

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Once again, I hope that the above is taken in the spirit with which it was written



Completely We don't (as you know) run any kind of exclusion policy here - you WON'T get banned for holding or arguing a contrary opinion.

However, if you look at how much time and money was spent by people like Michael (Rinaldi) and many others to visit EM and then to be told that NO facilities were available for the Hobby Press, their arguments are extremely valid indeed. No-one from Magicalia or Military Modelling has had the cojones to answer these criticisms. What we've had instead are the usual predictable ravings from the site manager of MM accusing THIS site of everything from hiding ET to being involved with Kennedy's assasination. It's tiresome, yes, but CONSIDERABLY more than 'sour grapes'...
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 05:16 AM UTC
Hi Karol

If you read through the threads, you will see that a majority of people are upset at the QUALITY of the magazine produced by MM. Being the only available print magazine of the EM show with the exclusivity they had by what appears to be foul means (ill get on to that later). i would have expected more, I will own up as not being a regular MM buyer but i do buy the ones that interest me and generally the EM special as I enjoy seeing what is regarded as the pinnacle of our hobby.

Now for what ever reason this time round the quality check ever failed or a decision was made to produce this copy on poor quality paper to save money, I don't know which but in these times of ever squeezing budgets I can take a good guess. Now if this was a quality issue then i have yet to see any apology from the producers of the magazine or any plans to reprint it. again leading me to believe this is money orientated, which would also explain the reason for not telling other publications (who have attended EM over the years and done nothing but promote the show in their publications) that this year they wanted exclusive rights to the pictures of the show they sponsor and promote till after these publications had paid there money and where at EM. This is nothing but damn right deceitful and I feel was done to stop these other publications making a decision not to attend and the show organisers losing the pitch money.

In all honesty some of these publications are quite rightly justified in being a little upset as to the way this was handled after spending what can be quite a considerable amount of money on attending the event.

But again back to the main point after what is a poor PR showing for MM (the magazine not the site) will future issues continue to be printed on such poor paper and if not why allow the special of their premier (exclusive) show be printed on it.

There have been no negative posts on here regarding the MM website or it community (apart from those who may for some reason have axes to grind) the majority of posts allude to this issue of the magazine, the same as is being discussed on missing-lynx.

The problem is what will be done for the future, because the modellers will go were the press will be and the traders will follow the modellers. The modellers attending and winning at this type of show want to see their work in the best possible light (and so do I) not rubbished to try and save some money.

off the box now

cheers

Keith
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 05:18 AM UTC
Hi Jim

Thank you for your response - it is appreciated.

Whilst I understand what you have said (with specific reference to Michael Rinaldi), I never the less stand by what I've said. All managers/ leaders/ editors have to face reverses at some point in their career. How they respond to such reverses defines them. My opinion is made as a magazine reader and website user.

Many thanks

Karol

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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 05:36 AM UTC
I'll admit that some of my comments have detracted from the original, im just bloody annoyed at the attitude of a lot of the people over on MM who seem to be ignoring what is right in from of their eyes, simply because they feel they have to tow the party line for whatever reason.

Someone over there said that the other magazines where annoyed because they had just been outmaneuvered by MM, and they had no reason to gripe. Well thats rubbish, if outmaneuvering means simply 'tough you cant take professional pictures only we can' then yes MM have done that, this has nothing to do with them being a superior publication, they've just simply prevented anyone else from competing with them. I cant even understand their reasoning, I fail to see how AFV modeller is really competition because they always only publish pics of the armor and dioramas anyway-surely half of MM readership will be figure modellers who will buy the special to see all the pics of figures and busts, and have no interest in armor???

I think what also annoys me is that, just like everything else in Britain, EM seems to be heading down the road of a bunch of organizers who care little for modelling and instead just see ££££. This same thing happens with most British events, separate issue but I went to Download music festival this year, which was basically run by a bunch of money grabbing fat cats who really couldnt care less about what the event is about. I just worry that EM is heading down that road. Will the organizers say next year that no one other than MM can take photos, I mean ive seen some pretty high quality pics on the net taken by the general public, these alone would put me off buying the MM special because ive already seen enough decent pics on the net for free. I was also pretty bloody annoyed last year as well when I wasted a load of money on pre-booking a ticket and they still made me queue with everyone else, total waste of my time and money, I thought the idea of pre booking a ticket is you should get in first and not queue??

Anyway as others have pointed out it just seems that there are many other modelling shows out there that seem to care a lot more about the people visiting that just worrying about how much money they rake in, and thats what this whole issue smacks of-the people behind MM and EM just seem to only care about that and dont seem to give a hoot about what any of us think.
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 07:53 AM UTC
Hi Karol,

Welcome to the debate, long time no see! You might be on a 'Beaten Docket' as we say back home. No one here thinks the other publications were treated fairly and there was a past debate on this at the time. The poor quality of this years EURO Special has just added fuel to the fire and from what I saw over on MM (before being excluded lol, lol) most of the people who bought it are very, very unhappy.

I don't think sour grapes comes into it when you have spent a considerable amount of money to get to an event only to have the goal posts moved after the game has begun.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 08:36 AM UTC
I would have to agree that the magazine was not the quality of which it was deserved.

But i do not think that showing pictures of which show a parade of trucks, etc.
of which happen to be communism as a junior modeller i found it quite offencive, i though
that us modellers where diffrent from those people who go out getting drunk and screaming
random verbal abuse at each other. please dont abuse this post as i am merely making my
point of view and dont wish to be abused.

there is also alot of "flaming" going on (being inconsiderate to other) i would wish for this to be locked...
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 08:47 AM UTC

and these me thinking that it was just me that thought the special edition is crap!!!!
Who cares what the hall looked like before the show, some great photos of the empty hall, and display cases being assembled WOW how interesting is that

sorry mil mod, you have gone down in my estimation, the editor needs his head removing from up his back side

just my three pennies worth,

malc.
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 09:26 AM UTC

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I would have to agree that the magazine was not the quality of which it was deserved.

But i do not think that showing pictures of which show a parade of trucks, etc.
of which happen to be communism as a junior modeller i found it quite offencive, i though
that us modellers where diffrent from those people who go out getting drunk and screaming
random verbal abuse at each other. please dont abuse this post as i am merely making my
point of view and dont wish to be abused.

there is also alot of "flaming" going on (being inconsiderate to other) i would wish for this to be locked...



Although I do not find depictions of 'communism' in any way offensive, well, certainly no more offensive than depictions of Nazism anyhow, you have a valid point.

This thread does the hobby no favours and belittling badinage pitting site against site is puerile.

I am a member of both forums, have contributed to both over several years and can say that have been as many prima donnas present on this site as there are anywhere else on the web, including MM - and I have been guilty of drama queenage on the intertubes myself, show me someone who hasn't...

Please close this thread.

acav
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 09:41 AM UTC
Well, what could have been a constructive post about a hot topic has degenerated into another 'childish name calling' thread. It is particularly unfortunate that the majority of offensive postings have been done by folks who are editors on this site. I realize that some people have axes to grind where the former editor of this site are concerned but this type of thing gets old very fast.
Time to grow up and act like adults. At least keep the comments to the original subject and knock off the personal attacks....it belittles this site and those who are running it.
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I use to be a member on military modelling but some how my account got vanished i think if the hobby wants to grow things like this should not happen with publicity as the editor of afv modeller said
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All you have to do is ask!

the editor of AVF modeller magazine is trying to do the hobby good and i for one am a huge fan of avf modeller for their magazine , yes i dont buy every issue but i buy as many as i cann afford for the dam good magazine my hat goes off to afv modeller and i hope the stupid situation can be resolved


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I use to be a member on military modelling but some how my account got vanished i think if the hobby wants to grow things like this should not happen with publicity as the editor of afv modeller said
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All you have to do is ask!

the editor of AVF modeller magazine is trying to do the hobby good and i for one am a huge fan of avf modeller for their magazine , yes i dont buy every issue but i buy as many as i cann afford for the dam good magazine my hat goes off to afv modeller and i hope the stupid situation can be resolved


Martyn
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 10:27 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

It is a pity that the events at EM took place, a decision by the suits were are lead to believe. Unfortunately the subsequent release of a poor quality special just annoys people more.

If the 'suits' had told the other magazine editors in advance what the ground rules were going to be, then at least they would have had the choice to cancell their visit if they wished. If they had then gone on to produce a quality special then most people would have been resaonable happy.

They did neither and seem only to have created a hugh PR disaster for themselves. As has been pointed out in other posts the vendors were less than happy too.

I do not find the analogy to communism offfensive, quite the opposite, very fitting. I think the point here is that if you allow people to dictate to you, tell you what to think, and what you can and can't say they that is the first step down that road.

I believe most of the personal type responses here are as a direct result of what has been said on MM and then copied here.

It would be very un democratic to close the post down, if people which to complain about the poor quality of the Special issue then they have every right to do so.

So far as we know the access question for next year remains unresolved. This has serious implications for the future of the show. If the reporters are not free to go and report openly, photograph what they want for their individual magazines, then the makers and vendors will loose out on a large amount of coverage and the modellers who have worked so hard to make the thing happen will also get less exposure, which if you enter a competition is something I would think they too are quite interested in. Nett result a downgraded venue, therefore why go and spend you £10.00 to get in if half the people you thought were going to display decide not to come?

EU was the premier UK modelling show, the question that needs answered is what is it now and what will it be next year? No one form MM seen to keen to comment on that and the reason for that is probably because people who make big mistakes rarely admit to them. This seems to be the line coming out of MM, we are all gripers and people of lesser worth and if I find anything offensive it is the drivel I have read there.

As far as prima donna's go I can only think of one and he hasn't posted in this thread and is highly unlikely to do so.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 01:24 PM UTC

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Time to grow up and act like adults. At least keep the comments to the original subject and knock off the personal attacks....it belittles this site and those who are running it.
Charles


Ok Charles I'll keep to the original subject, can your buddy over on MM do the same? All he needs to do is answer the question that has been asked, by people here, on other sites, and his own; why the very poor quality MM Euro special edition, and will the ground rules be the same next year? All he's done thus far is try to change the subject, and as Robert has so aptly pointed out, stick his head in the sand as if nothing is wrong. If, as he seems to claim, he doesn't know the answer, surely he can get a statement from the higher ups.

Regards,
Mike
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Mike,
I don't speak for "my buddy over at MM" but if I were pursuing the answers to the questions you've poised I certainly wouldn't beat a dead horse by continually asking someone who obviously can't or won't give an answer. Why not try emailing Ken Jones (editor of the magazine) or some of the 'higher ups' at the company that owns MM (whose contact information can be probably be found in the magazine)
Cheers,
Charles
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Jeez Charles, I stick to the original subject like you ask but now I'm beating a dead horse, which is it? Forget it, you really don't need to answer that one as I'm pretty sure which vein you'll take .

Oh and by the way, seeing as Vinnie is now the assistant editor of the magazine, you would think he would have some idea of what's going on.

Mike
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I certainly wouldn't beat a dead horse by continually asking someone who obviously can't or won't give an answer.

Jeeze Mike, the key here is that for whatever his reasons Vinnie either can't or won't answer your questions. The 'dead horse' is pursuing an avenue that is an obvious dead end. My suggestions of going to another source are still valid. Unless of course your interests lie in simply extending the 'bashing' segment of this thread.
If that be the case I refer to my original post:

Time to grow up and act like adults. At least keep the comments to the original subject and knock off the personal attacks....it belittles this site and those who are running it.
Cheers,
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Ola guys

Well Again I will note that like a bunch of eels in a bucket of snot the Editors and managers of MM are avoiding the whole issue that was started in this thread. In his latest BS statement, the great leader coughBScough of MM is calling a lot of people upset and the main reason seemed to be "Jealousy and Greed" I have been pondering over this and still am a little puzzled where the Jealousy and greed part comes in at the original issue in which this thread was started. Because looking at it I feel I lost on all points. I actually paid for a cheap looking 3rd rate special magazine. So I lost money and got pretty much nothing in return. Which looks to me to be pretty much the absolute opposite of Jealousy and Greed.

The fun thing I thought was the quote

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"What we don't need, is for those few hours every week that we do have to actually do something we enjoy doing, to be spoilt by a minority of self-important, selfish non-entites, who would rather spend their time attempting to spread the poison of their own little unhappy lives, to others."


Excuse me... when you first did the whole photography ban because you wanted the scoop for your own magazine and eventually reward us with pride a really [auto-censored]ty copy of very low quality... I think it was you lovely people at MM who gave us the poison to spread around... Or would you have thought "Ah those daft people will never notice that. We can get away with it.". I actually still love the if you ignore the problem it is not there attitude of you guys. So again I will remind you to the award given to you by me

Yes it is the Ostrich award 2008 and it goes to you... by the narrowest of margins...Actually that is a lie... you won it not with a noselength but by the length of a few cities. Great job and congrats. I hope you will find a nice place for it in your offices.

As for the whole banning of people because they are critical... and therefore honest. Or simply want to tell you they are feeling ripped off. Because that is what a lot of people (and I'm talking about people paying money for the (not so) special, apart from the mags and the photography ban) feel. It kinda makes me wonder if you people learned business skills in the same classroom as Mao Zedong and Kim Yong Il. "if we don't like you we simply ignore you... and send you away... Very mature... but it surely is a way to make sure you are only surrounded by comrades. Or A$$lickers so you want. I for one don't feel very comfortable in that kind of area... next to the fact it makes your breath smell very bad. That aside... I have not slept a single minute less by the mention of the ban, ( I actually went to the bar to celebrate)... since you opened I have not felt the single urge to sign up. And that urge never appeared either. I have my house here. I like it here. People are friendly, Arguments happen and are solved (mostly) in pretty civilized manners. Sure your way works too. Simply delete everything you don't like. Is also a way of pretending everybody is happy. It kinda reminds me of the movie Equilibrium... if you have not seen it yet you should... some great lessons are to be learned there (next to some of the awesomest shooting scenes and the totally awesome Gun Kata sport). (V for Vendetta is also quite a good example)

As for the Euromilitaire event... well I have never been there. And with this organisation the chance of ever getting there is pretty small. As in non existent. Luckily Europe has some good alternatives. I name a KMK in Belgium or the SMC in Eindhoven, Torrent in Spain. There is enough interesting stuff to be seen there. Equally good models and a perfect ambiance. Which I think do deserve the attention of the magazines. I am afraid with this organisation the Euromilitaire will look like this in the near future



As for all the comments to us the small minority on our small sites.. Please keep in mind that you were the people to provide us with the ammo for this debate and treat people like you yourself want to be treated.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker



Childlish, immature and completly off topic.

Not what you would expect from an editor of a serious internet site. Your job as editor should be to keep these kind of personal insults off your side - not contribute yourself.

Shame on you - and on Jim for applauding it. I think it is quit obvious for visitors to both sites who is being the fool here

Two questions for Jim:

Is it not true that you have practised censorship too by deleting any and all reference to MM when the site opened (I know - it happened to me also) ??

What do your site do with all the hundreds of review kits you receive on an annual basis. They are certainly not going back to the community ?
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Ok guys

can we get this back on topic, regarding the the quality of the MM special on EM, In all honesty I dont care what happens on other sites, and how close you feel you are to each other.
But this is drifting away from what is an issue to modellers from all walks who have an interest in EM

I will later today when i have spare time clear this thread up of all items not concerned with the quality of MM EM special. so keep it on track or i will lock it

keith
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 08:17 PM UTC

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Ok guys

can we get this back on topic, regarding the the quality of the MM special on EM, In all honesty I dont care what happens on other sites, and how close you feel you are to each other.
But this is drifting away from what is an issue to modellers from all walks who have an interest in EM

I will later today when i have spare time clear this thread up of all items not concerned with the quality of MM EM special. so keep it on track or i will lock it

keith



Thank you - and please keep in mind that it was your own collegues as editors who started the personal insults.
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 09:41 PM UTC

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Is it not true that you have practised censorship too by deleting any and all reference to MM when the site opened (I know - it happened to me also) ??

What do your site do with all the hundreds of review kits you receive on an annual basis. They are certainly not going back to the community ?



a) NO policy exists as to 'Censoring' links to MM. I do feel its a bit silly when NO reference is permitted to THIS site on MM and people link to them.. As far as the magazine's concerned, on several occasions you'll find, if you trawl through the archives that i've made a lot of references to particular useful articles (my two Bronco Staghound Reviews for example) cite as a basic reference MilMod's Staghound special.... There are several links on this thread to MM which HAVEN'T been deleted

b) In truth, we run a Web-Based Megastore with the MILLIONS (not HUNDREDS) Review samples we are sent for Review. Every day a couple of 30-ton trucks arrive at Armorama Plaza full to the brim with modeling items...

As to the previous complaints over Robert's PShop images these were S-A-T-I-R-I-C-A-L comments about the dangers of the Cult of Personality....

Most people who have passed History 1.01 will (hopefully) have got the reference...