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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:30 PM UTC

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Anyone here heard of World In Conflict?



Yep I was playing that until my CD drive broke after about level 5 or so. Very fun!

Trailer:

http://www.spike.com/video/world-in-conflict/2782437

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 09:26 PM UTC

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Anyone here heard of World In Conflict?



No. Is it available on PS3 ?

Or is something similair in a modern "What if ?" available on PS3 (apart from COD 4) ?

Maybe some ideas there
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 10:46 PM UTC
I may sign up here as long as german WWII stuff is accepted....

a silly question what does it mean T2K???

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 10:56 PM UTC
-For Paul:

The producers of World In Conflict, Massive Entertainment, have apparently gone bankrupt just when they were going to release it onto PS3 and 360. The franchise has been bought by Ubisoft and is going to be released sometime in the first half of this year. The PS3 and 360 versions are pretty much the same as the PC version that was released in 2007 except that the single player campeign has been expanded so that you can play as the soviets, not just the US and NATO. An expansion pack for the PC version will be released as well to bring it into line with the console versions.

For those of you who dont know what World In Conflict is:

World in Conflict is a strategy based game that depicts an alternative history starting in 1989 in which the USSR attacks America and Europe. The game is pretty much a steryotypical American vs Russian game in which the Americans kick the Russians butts pretty much all the time. Its heaps of fun though

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 11:04 PM UTC

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-For Paul:

The producers of World In Conflict, Massive Entertainment, have apparently gone bankrupt just when they were going to release it onto PS3 and 360. The franchise has been bought by Ubisoft and is going to be released sometime in the first half of this year. The PS3 and 360 versions are pretty much the same as the PC version that was released in 2007 except that the single player campeign has been expanded so that you can play as the soviets, not just the US and NATO. An expansion pack for the PC version will be released as well to bring it into line with the console versions.

For those of you who dont know what World In Conflict is:

World in Conflict is a strategy based game that depicts an alternative history starting in 1989 in which the USSR attacks America and Europe. The game is pretty much a steryotypical American vs Russian game in which the Americans kick the Russians butts pretty much all the time. Its heaps of fun though




Cool thanks Dean.

Using the PS3 makes much more sense to me. Not much power on this Laptop.....

The only problem with using this scenario for the Campaign is that you could almost build ANY Nato or Soviet vehicle (about 1989) and say it is a "What lf ?" (taking part in a conflict).

Perhaps it'll need some battle damage to convey the story that it is involved in a 'conflict', or be on a Dio / base

Cheers

Paul

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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 11:08 PM UTC
For those interested in Nato vs Soviet Scenarios, this Zaloga "What if ?" book is pretty interesting (I've just finished reading it).


Red Thrust: Attack on the Central Front, Soviet Tactics and Capabilities in the 1990s (1989)

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Thrust-Central-Tactics-Capabilities/dp/0891413456


Mmmmmm maybe that SP Designs T-80U can be built for this Campaign instead of the Leo

Paul
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 05:16 AM UTC

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For those interested in Nato vs Soviet Scenarios, this Zaloga "What if ?" book is pretty interesting (I've just finished reading it).


Red Thrust: Attack on the Central Front, Soviet Tactics and Capabilities in the 1990s (1989)

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Thrust-Central-Tactics-Capabilities/dp/0891413456


Mmmmmm maybe that SP Designs T-80U can be built for this Campaign instead of the Leo

Paul


Could always do both paul?
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 05:24 AM UTC
Well I know what I'm going to build, I'm already scouting for parts which could make it happen. In order to explain I might even write an entire alternate story line from 1933 to 1957ish. I'm very excited to see what you guys are gonna come up with!

Cheers!

BTW: Why hasn't the campaign been approved yet?

-Mike-
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 06:33 AM UTC
Got few modern what if ideas brewing away. it will be good to see what everyone comes up with?
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 07:53 AM UTC

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I may sign up here as long as german WWII stuff is accepted....

a silly question what does it mean T2K???

spit


Twilight: 2000

A paper and book based role playing game that was produced by GDW (Game Designer Workshop) in the 1980's and 90's. They went out of business.

Gary.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 08:04 AM UTC
I may sign up here as long as german WWII stuff is accepted....

a silly question what does it mean T2K???

The only silly question is the one that is never asked. T2K is Twilight 2000, a role playing game which takes place in a devastated world, after a nuclear war. Players are soldiers cut off from their chain of command, on their own in a lawless area, struggling to survive.
Here is some more info:
The game was first published in 1984 during the Cold War and was intended to be an accurate depiction of a possible future, but events in the world have rendered the premise of the game an alternate history.
In 1995 a series of Sino-Soviet border conflicts expanded into general war between the Soviet Union and China. The Sino-Soviet war rapidly escalated from conventional warfare into exchanges of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. In 1996 a cabal of East German and West German military officers seek to reunify their country. Unified German forces stage a coup d'état against the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany. The US and NATO allies initially attempt to stay out of the war, but are quickly drawn into the European conflict.
Between 1996 and 1997 a largely conventional war is fought between NATO and Warsaw Pact forces throughout Europe. There are limited exchanges of battlefield nuclear weapons, and chemical and biological weapons. During Thanksgiving 1997, the Soviet Union launches a surprise first strike against targets in the United States and Europe. The US and Great Britain launch retaliatory nuclear strikes against the Soviet Union.
In the aftermath of the nuclear exchanges, both blocs struggle to recover from the damage. The war continues - despite increasing shortages of men, equipment, and fuel. In the United States there is a breach between the civilian government and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. An open rift develops between "Civgov" (the civilian government) and "Milgov" (the military government), which leads to a low-intensity civil war.
By the summer of 2000, the European theater of operations had been fought to a near stalemate. In one final effort to break the deadlock and end the war NATO forces planned a summer offensive across Northern Poland and into the Baltics, but the offensive ground to a halt in the face of a Warsaw Pact counterattack. Several divisions & corps on each side were virtually eliminated. In the chaotic aftermath, supply lines are lost, high level command breaks down and armies in the European theater lose cohesion beyond the platoon unit. Some go “native’ and integrated with the militias of independent “free cities", others turned into gangs of marauding bandits and some small groups of surviving soldiers sought to find their way home.

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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 10:53 AM UTC

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For those interested in Nato vs Soviet Scenarios, this Zaloga "What if ?" book is pretty interesting (I've just finished reading it).


Red Thrust: Attack on the Central Front, Soviet Tactics and Capabilities in the 1990s (1989)

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Thrust-Central-Tactics-Capabilities/dp/0891413456


Paul



Thanks!
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 11:22 AM UTC

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a silly question what does it mean T2K???

spit


Twilight: 2000

A paper and book based role playing game that was produced by GDW (Game Designer Workshop) in the 1980's and 90's. They went out of business.

Gary.[/quote]

Their HQ was 8 blocks from my house. I worked part-time for them for a while and knew quite a few of them. Not a bad game, it did have a few problems, tho.Our group included a West German Lt., a British Major, and an SAS Captain. Who was in command? The American E5 Sgt, according to the rules.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 07:41 PM UTC

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Thanks!



Cheers Benjamin !

It's a good read. Another one that has a "What if ?" scenario is this Osprey title:

(Zaloga again )

http://www.amazon.com/Tank-War-Central-Front-Elite-No/dp/0850459044

Cheers

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 10:03 PM UTC
Thats 35 in so far..
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 10:27 PM UTC
36 now, including me. Hope I can build what I have in mind, I am already looking for necessary parts. I need replacement wheels, suitable for rough terrain, for a jeep sized vehicle. Know where I can get a cheap and good set of jeep or Humvee wheels?
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 11:14 PM UTC
Okay, I've been doing my research and I've found that Germany was in the process of developing the first ever guided surface-to-air missile when World War 2 ended. Lucky me has also found some photos of a preserved example as well.

So, my plan so far is to get a cheap and simple kit of a Tamiya Panzer III or IV (simple because I'll need to concentrate a lot on the missile), modify the turret into a missile launching platform, and scratch build a "Rheintochter" missile (hopefully pictured below if I inserted it right).



Any coments?
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 11:18 PM UTC
That thing does not look like it can fly but I'd be greatly interested in seeing how you'll pull it off. We've got a year's worth of time to finish everything so you might not even have to neglect the Panzer III/IV and perhaps it would even be better to build some sort of launch pad + diorama? Be sure to post a blog when you start!

Cheers!

-Mike-
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 11:54 PM UTC
Dean If I was building that, I'd research a lot of the Surface to surface and Air missile systems about since the 50's.

Look at things like the Soviet Surface to Air systems (50's and 60's) to get an idea on the launch system you may use.

That'll be a good one I think. Perhaps something other than a PIII or IV ?

Maybe a truck ? Something like a Scud I reckon

Cheers

Paul
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 12:01 AM UTC
Hmm, I've just relised how big that thing is. To fit it onto a Panzer III or IV I'll have to scale it down by about at least 1/4. I'll also have to maybe simplify it a little. I've never done scratch build before, so I think what i come up with will be, er, unique.

I've also had another brainwave. Back in WW2 the Axis and Allies had radar in some planes to fight at night, making ak-ak guns like the Wurbelwind useless because they couldnt spot the planes without the aid of a search light which could be huge and very annoying. So, what if the Germans, being the creative little buggers that they were during the war, put radar on a vehicle like a Wurbelwind?

Would this idea work? Coments?
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 12:12 AM UTC
Same thing I reckon.

Do some research on what those pesky Soviets and what Nato were doing with Radar systems in the 50's and 60's. '

You may even be able to do a kit bash of some sort with something from one of those two (find a kit) with a late WWII German chassis

Sounds like a good idea.

Cheers

Paul

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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 12:43 AM UTC

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Hmm, I've just relised how big that thing is. To fit it onto a Panzer III or IV I'll have to scale it down by about at least 1/4. I'll also have to maybe simplify it a little. I've never done scratch build before, so I think what i come up with will be, er, unique.

I've also had another brainwave. Back in WW2 the Axis and Allies had radar in some planes to fight at night, making ak-ak guns like the Wurbelwind useless because they couldnt spot the planes without the aid of a search light which could be huge and very annoying. So, what if the Germans, being the creative little buggers that they were during the war, put radar on a vehicle like a Wurbelwind?

Would this idea work? Coments?




Are you sure? As you are aware, the land-based radars differed in size&capacity to the ones on the planes, so what you might need for a Wirbelwind might be much larger than what was used on the aircraft.

As for your missile idea... Why not use a Famo? You can convert the trailer into a lauch pad, similar to those SA carriers Soviets used. It would be a funky looking thing
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 01:02 AM UTC
Sounds good dean cant wait to see it.

Got a mad idea to a dutch army abrams for some reason?
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 12:50 PM UTC
For the Radar ak-ak idea, I reckon I could use Trumpeters Sturer Emil as the base vehicle. It should be big enough for a larger and more powerful version of Airborne Interception radar, and its got a nice flat deck which would make it easier to put a large turret with radar and guns on it. The turret will also have to be enclosed because radar in those days was a little alyrgic to the elements.
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Posted: Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 02:34 AM UTC
I've been working on the concepts of these two projects for several years now, I guess now is the time to complete them; a Bradley M-2 that I'm replacing the turret with a .50 cal/Mk-19 turret, the idea here is to make room to get the Rifle Squad back up to no less than 9 soldiers and a Sgt York AA system that is going to get the Israeli Blazer Armor treatment-it should look real cool!