Armor/AFV: What If?
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Sudzonic
Joined: December 07, 2007
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 08:34 AM UTC
Welcome aboard guys some great ideas there hope to see what they turn out like.
markdrake
Joined: May 31, 2005
KitMaker: 118 posts
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 - 02:10 PM UTC
Hi John, I'm filling in the turret hole and sanding it flush. Another option is to put a sheet of plastic over the top and add a weld seam all around. Let me know what you work out!
M4A2Sherman
Joined: December 29, 2008
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 12:41 PM UTC
I had a similar idea of the US built panther 2, but it is a German built T-34/88! It is 1947 and the allies and germans are stopping the russians who have not stopped after world war two! German Special Fallschirmjaeger have stolen the T-34 molds and plans from russia. The T-34/88 will have a fictional 88mm gun, extra armor, zimm and more. What do you guys think?
M4A2Sherman
M4A2Sherman
Griffon65
Joined: November 06, 2008
KitMaker: 363 posts
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 02:57 PM UTC
Sounds like a good idea Q.
You've got to be realistic about it though. If its going to go up against the likes of the IS series and Russia's brand new T-54s, it'll probably need more than just an 88mm gun. It'll also need a lot of extra armor to withstand not only the penetrating power of the T-54's 100mm gun, but the explosive power of the IS-3's 120mm gun as well (the D25-T gun of the IS-3 was designed to destroy bunkers).
For turret and gun ideas, I would honestly take a look at the T-34/100 (or T-100, I forget what its called).
Hope this helps ya mate
You've got to be realistic about it though. If its going to go up against the likes of the IS series and Russia's brand new T-54s, it'll probably need more than just an 88mm gun. It'll also need a lot of extra armor to withstand not only the penetrating power of the T-54's 100mm gun, but the explosive power of the IS-3's 120mm gun as well (the D25-T gun of the IS-3 was designed to destroy bunkers).
For turret and gun ideas, I would honestly take a look at the T-34/100 (or T-100, I forget what its called).
Hope this helps ya mate
M4A2Sherman
Joined: December 29, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 03:21 PM UTC
Okay, thanks, your right!
M4A2Sherman
M4A2Sherman
squeeky1968
Joined: June 06, 2006
KitMaker: 315 posts
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 07:26 AM UTC
I think i might have a scenario for you guys to work from (with a nod to a old comic i used to read as a kid "2000 AD" and borrowing from Tom Clancy`s book "Red Storm Rising")
In 2012 Following the collapse of capitolism in the Former USSR,A new right wing form of communism comes to power.The new Volgan republic arises from the ashes and decides that to rebuild the the new state to it`s rightful place as the new ultra superpower,it will take what it needs from the west.
Immediate diplomatic moves in Berlin fail to appease the fledgling nation and after manufacturing a political incident the volgan`s declare war on Nato and the first units clash along the Polish border .............
Hopes this gets the creative juices flowing !!
In 2012 Following the collapse of capitolism in the Former USSR,A new right wing form of communism comes to power.The new Volgan republic arises from the ashes and decides that to rebuild the the new state to it`s rightful place as the new ultra superpower,it will take what it needs from the west.
Immediate diplomatic moves in Berlin fail to appease the fledgling nation and after manufacturing a political incident the volgan`s declare war on Nato and the first units clash along the Polish border .............
Hopes this gets the creative juices flowing !!
Sudzonic
Joined: December 07, 2007
KitMaker: 2,096 posts
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 08:13 AM UTC
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I think i might have a scenario for you guys to work from (with a nod to a old comic i used to read as a kid "2000 AD" and borrowing from Tom Clancy`s book "Red Storm Rising")
In 2012 Following the collapse of capitolism in the Former USSR,A new right wing form of communism comes to power.The new Volgan republic arises from the ashes and decides that to rebuild the the new state to it`s rightful place as the new ultra superpower,it will take what it needs from the west.
Immediate diplomatic moves in Berlin fail to appease the fledgling nation and after manufacturing a political incident the volgan`s declare war on Nato and the first units clash along the Polish border .............
Hopes this gets the creative juices flowing !!
Nice scenario danny you thinking of joining the campaign?
Graywolfgang
Joined: November 28, 2006
KitMaker: 303 posts
Armorama: 251 posts
Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 08:27 PM UTC
Hey Guys
Have yawl decided on what we are going to build. Here is a sanareo for my Snow Tiger E-100 Super Tiger III. How many of you have seen the move CSA Confederate States of America? The sanareo is if the Confederacy had won the war. The Confederate States of America was an alia of Germany instead of England.
Just a Thought
Wolf
Have yawl decided on what we are going to build. Here is a sanareo for my Snow Tiger E-100 Super Tiger III. How many of you have seen the move CSA Confederate States of America? The sanareo is if the Confederacy had won the war. The Confederate States of America was an alia of Germany instead of England.
Just a Thought
Wolf
M4A2Sherman
Joined: December 29, 2008
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 12:33 PM UTC
Heres a random tip most of you guys probably already know...
If you want a big gun use the body of emptey pens(in my case a gel pen case)
Yeah...
M4A2Sherman
If you want a big gun use the body of emptey pens(in my case a gel pen case)
Yeah...
M4A2Sherman
Griffon65
Joined: November 06, 2008
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 07:27 PM UTC
Empty pens are good if you are't worried about accuracy or you're building something of the "what if" kind, but otherwise I would seriously consider just using the kit barrel. Pens are also made of a totally different plastic to kits, and so you'd have to use super glue.
By the way, hows that Super-T-34 idea coming along?
By the way, hows that Super-T-34 idea coming along?
M4A2Sherman
Joined: December 29, 2008
KitMaker: 316 posts
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 05:31 AM UTC
It's doing good, thanks! When are we supposed to start building? Can we start building now or wait till the campaign starts?
Thanks,
M4A2Sherman
Thanks,
M4A2Sherman
Griffon65
Joined: November 06, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 10:09 AM UTC
I'm kinda new to this stuff, but my understanding of it is that you have to wait until the starting date before you start building for the campeign. I mean, you can build kits whenever you feel like (we're not going to stop you from building kits all together until the campeign starts), but the kits you are going to submit for the campeign shouldn't be built before the campeign starts.
That may have been worded badly, but hopefully you will understand what I'm trying to say here
That may have been worded badly, but hopefully you will understand what I'm trying to say here
M4A2Sherman
Joined: December 29, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 03:31 PM UTC
Ok, thanks. June is so far away!
M4A2Sherman
M4A2Sherman
Sudzonic
Joined: December 07, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 05:13 AM UTC
Ok so here are some ideas i have
A dutch army Abrams
Canadian leo 2A4+
an sas unimog mothership
warrior air defence variant.
And a load of other stuff floating around in my head that needs finalizing.
A dutch army Abrams
Canadian leo 2A4+
an sas unimog mothership
warrior air defence variant.
And a load of other stuff floating around in my head that needs finalizing.
CrazyEd
Joined: February 25, 2009
KitMaker: 88 posts
Armorama: 57 posts
Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 07:58 PM UTC
I just joined the troops at armorama yesterday & already signed up for the "what if" campaign. Got some ideas using Trumpeter "E"models ... 
We'll see how things
evolve, time'll tell ... Have fun !
We'll see how thingsevolve, time'll tell ... Have fun !
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mciszewicz
Joined: February 01, 2008
KitMaker: 45 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 08:24 PM UTC
Well, I am thinking about joining as well, even have a great candidate for a scratchbuilding project. Google Tom Clancy's EndWar, or just head to http://endwargame.us.ubi.com/concept.php. Should I have money to burn, I'd build myself the King Spider, but I think a Rottweiler drone with a couple riflemen will be just as sexy. Or that Leopard-ish Euro tank.
Griffon65
Joined: November 06, 2008
KitMaker: 363 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 08:34 PM UTC
Welcome aboard Eddy!
Personally I'd go for a variant of Trumpeter's E-25. It's a great kit with a fair number of extras and options. If you do get it, use the individual link tracks because the rubber band ones are awful.
And Marcin, that sounds like a good idea. The concept drawing of the Panther 1A3 tank is basically futuristic Merkava IV, so that should be fairly simple to replicate. The T-100 Ogre tank is my personal fav though.
Personally I'd go for a variant of Trumpeter's E-25. It's a great kit with a fair number of extras and options. If you do get it, use the individual link tracks because the rubber band ones are awful.
And Marcin, that sounds like a good idea. The concept drawing of the Panther 1A3 tank is basically futuristic Merkava IV, so that should be fairly simple to replicate. The T-100 Ogre tank is my personal fav though.
CrazyEd
Joined: February 25, 2009
KitMaker: 88 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 08:54 PM UTC
Hi there Dean, tnx for the welcome. 2 be honest I already have build the E10, E-25( scratch & conversion) & a E-100 (scratch & conversion) Well the "25" and the "100" are still on the workbench. But yes you're right about the tracks, I put the rubber tracks on the E10 and, well ... It looks a bit unfinished I think. Maybe a set of Fruil-tracks 4 the campaign-E ? [quote]Why waltz if you can rock 'n' roll.
Griffon65
Joined: November 06, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 09:41 PM UTC
Yep, the Fruils are the way to go I say. Cutting out and assembling the individual links took me 3 days and was physically painful (I'm dead serious when I say that my shoulders have never been the same). And when I finished painting and glueing the tracks on, I put my glasses on and noticed the two ejector pin marks on every link! 
By the way, you can add an automatically generating signature (like my "on the workbench" list) by clicking on the "my account" link at the top of the page, and then clicking on the "modify profile" link.
By the way, you can add an automatically generating signature (like my "on the workbench" list) by clicking on the "my account" link at the top of the page, and then clicking on the "modify profile" link.
CrazyEd
Joined: February 25, 2009
KitMaker: 88 posts
Armorama: 57 posts
Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:05 AM UTC
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By the way, you can add an automatically generating signature (like my "on the workbench" list) by clicking on the "my account" link at the top of the page, and then clicking on the "modify profile" link.
Thanks for the advice on the generating signature. It's all a bit new & strange 4 me, I just
entered the digital age
And believe me it's like learning Latin ! But about the campaign:what about a E-25 with some rockettubes on top ? Or an E-10ambulance ? Or ...
endrju007
Joined: December 05, 2007
KitMaker: 2,435 posts
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:20 AM UTC
Well, I have a questions that is sort of stupid: What do we have this second tread concerning What ifs campaign for if the original one in the campaigns forum is available?
I've just found this one and I feel like missing some part of discussion...
I've just found this one and I feel like missing some part of discussion...
Sudzonic
Joined: December 07, 2007
KitMaker: 2,096 posts
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:59 AM UTC
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Well, I have a questions that is sort of stupid: What do we have this second tread concerning What ifs campaign for if the original one in the campaigns forum is available?
I've just found this one and I feel like missing some part of discussion...
There are two because the one in the campaign board was the proposal for the campaign and this one has the link to sign up in it hope that helps?
By the way don't know if anyone knows about this but i have just been looking thew it and it has sparked some ideas
linkname http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/index.php?s=c4741f009757c8c6f9cb344761675b43
Griffon65
Joined: November 06, 2008
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 - 10:03 AM UTC
Hey Eddy, I reckon that if you really wanted to you could fit 2 Nebelwerfers on an E-25 without hacking at the E-25 too much.
You could put one on the roof using the small gun turret on the roof as a mounting point, and you could put one on the front Sturmtiger-style (i.e. with the rear of the launcher tubes going through a large ball-like mount and into the fighting compartment for easy reloading. Obviously there would be some sort of cover over the ends of the tubes so as to not fry the crew
)
You could put one on the roof using the small gun turret on the roof as a mounting point, and you could put one on the front Sturmtiger-style (i.e. with the rear of the launcher tubes going through a large ball-like mount and into the fighting compartment for easy reloading. Obviously there would be some sort of cover over the ends of the tubes so as to not fry the crew
)CrazyEd
Joined: February 25, 2009
KitMaker: 88 posts
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 - 10:25 AM UTC
Hi Dean, I did some thinking about the Nebelwerfer on top of a "E". The fact is it wouldn't
be bombastic enough ! It's got 2 be bigger ... And guess what, just bought a Revell-sherman
carrying the "caliope"rockets ! Talk about being bombastic ! Another idea ? How about an "E-100" Borderpatrol up in Alasca ? Just in case the Russians should attack the USA
by crossing the Beringstraat. This would be an invitation for some intresting paintwork, don't
you think ?
be bombastic enough ! It's got 2 be bigger ... And guess what, just bought a Revell-sherman
carrying the "caliope"rockets ! Talk about being bombastic ! Another idea ? How about an "E-100" Borderpatrol up in Alasca ? Just in case the Russians should attack the USA
by crossing the Beringstraat. This would be an invitation for some intresting paintwork, don't
you think ?
newfish
Joined: June 23, 2008
KitMaker: 2,329 posts
Armorama: 2,110 posts
Posted: Friday, February 27, 2009 - 10:41 AM UTC
right Ive signed up!, But i have no idea what to build
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