Florida, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 03:55 AM UTC
Looking good. I'll be getting one.
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Just saw the picture of the upcoming figure set from Trumpy.
Why do these guys insist on providing M-16's instead of M-4's? The Army hasn't had M-16's issued to troops in OIF / OEF for years.
John
M16A2s are still in use and being sent with depoyed Soldiers. When I deployed in May '08, I was carrying an M16A2. We later recieved enough M4s that I was able to switch it out, but not everyone did and it was half way through the rotation. Some guys still came home with M16A2s.
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Showcase
California, United States
Joined: June 28, 2006
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 09:14 AM UTC
I will have to agree with Gino, When I deployed I also carried a M16A2. A few months in I did get a M4 for my tour. But, We did have a few M16A2 redeploy withus a few weeks ago.
Grant
Paris, France
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 03:17 PM UTC
Beijing, China / 简体
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 03:53 PM UTC
can the front wheels change direction freely when following the instruction?
Paris, France
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 04:25 PM UTC
Nope Zhang
This is my touch
Cheers
Seb
Beijing, China / 简体
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 05:03 PM UTC
did you just glue it like that or make it workable?
Paris, France
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 11:49 PM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 03:38 PM UTC
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Looking good. I'll be getting one.
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Just saw the picture of the upcoming figure set from Trumpy.
Why do these guys insist on providing M-16's instead of M-4's? The Army hasn't had M-16's issued to troops in OIF / OEF for years.
John
M16A2s are still in use and being sent with depoyed Soldiers. When I deployed in May '08, I was carrying an M16A2. We later recieved enough M4s that I was able to switch it out, but not everyone did and it was half way through the rotation. Some guys still came home with M16A2s.
Sir, I doubt you'll find many if any MP's carrying A2's, considering they started issuing 31B OSUT and BCT Soldiers M4's this year. My National Guard MP Platoon recieved our brand new M4's two years ago around the same time we got our brand new ASV's.
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Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 03:40 PM UTC
One thing to note about the ASV, if you want to model a current version or one from the past few years, the upper grab handle above the hull doors must be removed. It was found that in combat or in roll overs (to which the ASV is rather prone) these handles would get bent down and prevent the hatches from opening and as a result an MWO went out to cut off all handles.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 05:04 PM UTC
I've been working on this kit as well, it's a pretty easy straight forward model. Certainly looks the part as well, so far i'm enjoying it.
Another little fun fact about the ASV for modelers, the front grab handle and the step bars on the doors all have a protective liner around them. This liner is nothing more than a normal green garden hose cut down it's length and then zip tied. We get them this way from the factory. Also don't be afraid to add a little bit of spot rust here and there. These are made in Louisiana, when we got our ASV's we were being taught by the civilian contractors at Fort Drum how to mount the weapons systems and on my truck the ammo chute guard is partialy held on by a small push button detent. This was rusted completely shut on my vehicle and as a result the thing stripped right out of the fiberglass cover.
Kildare, Ireland
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Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 09:05 PM UTC
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For anyone who's interested, the M1117 is now "In Stock" on HLJ.
Order placed!
Sean
M1117 now in stock on my workbench..... work will commence this weekend! Thanks to Seb for this blog and all others who have contributed tips and pics. They'll all be a big help.
Cheers,
Sean
Paris, France
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Posted: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:53 PM UTC
Thanks Sean
i did do so much since we are moving to a new place. I hope to be back to the workbench in less than 2 weeks with the paint stage
Cheers
Seb
Illinois, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:50 AM UTC
Sebastien.
You've done a wonderful job on this build and provided much useful info. Cheers.
Patrick Keenan
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New Jersey, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 04:18 AM UTC
Let me ask this, were these always in service or were they taken out of mothball and rebuilt after 2003 and OIF?
Rhone, France
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 04:35 AM UTC
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Let me ask this, we're these always in service or were they taken out of mothball and rebuilt after 2003 and OIF?
AFAIK, the first M1117s were delivered to the US Army in 2000...Too recently for mothballing them I think
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Frenchy
"Find the Bastards, then Pile On"
Col. George W.Patton III 's standing order for the troopers of the 11th Armoured Cavalry Regiment
Florida, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 06:50 AM UTC
The MP Corps were starting to get them in the early 2000's, but not many were fielded. The fielding was sped up with the need for a more survivable convoy escort vehicle in Iraq. For mothballs, you are probably thinking of the Vietnam-era V100 or V150 Armored Car. The M1117 is a further development of the V100 series. It is wider and longer than the older versions.
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"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
Showcase
Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:10 AM UTC
FYI the M1117 was selected by the US army in 1995 as it met requirements for a new vehicle for the Military Police to replace the Humvee.
1st prototypes were were built in 1997.
The US Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command awarded an initial production contract for 94 vehicles to Textron Marine & Land Systems in 1999.
Final Delivery of the vehicles under this contract took place in 2004.
August 2000 first 6 production series ASV's issued to 18th MP Brigade based in Germany.
2001 saw first deployment to Kosovo by 18th MP Brigade.
2003 saw deployment to Iraq also by 18th MP Brigade.
2004 More orders placed by US Army (212 vehicles).
2005 More orders placed by US Army (724 vehicles).
2008 Iraqi government order (63 vehicles)
Thr M1117 has also been borrowed and used by the US Marines and the Air Force own two vehilces.
"problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them"
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 03:04 PM UTC
The ASV also marked a major shift in the MP Regiment itself. The shift from us being cops to being warfighters. The ASV was resisted by big Army at first saying that the MP Corps did not need that type of vehicle. Iraq provided a big wake up call to everyone and gave us a much broader mission, one which that ASV is a huge part of.
Steve
Michigan, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 07:06 AM UTC
On the surface this model looks beautiful, but as I get into the build, I am disappointed by little things, that should never have come up.
1) The push pine marks on the suspension 'A' arms. Why they are on the eposed side is beyond me, and the manufacturer as well.
2) The PE fender well MEXUS add-ons. The instructions for which go where are incorrect. They are easy enough to piece together by eye, but this is simple stuff that should have never "gotten away".
3) the instruction on the wheel assembly are not clear. They are in fact a mirror image - left to right, but one side is hidden, and you really aren't sure until you attach them to the axles.
4) The stowage loop "rails" that run along the turret edges and the upper hull. They are a plastic "abortion" and should have been made of photo etch. If I get into a masochistic mood, I might try scratch building them. Eduard should offer this detail as a ZOOM fret.
I just finished up the suspension and am waiting for the glue to set before I move on. Despite my railings above, I have been anticipating this subjects release, as I did the M706/V100/150.
Something that is correctable with putty, is to fill the dimples on the hull, and NOT apply the MEXUS. OR, even better, the attachment points could have been molded into the hull, if you wanted to lease the MEXUS off - similar to the AAVP7A1 RAM/RS from Hobby Boss.
That's all for now,
Mark L.
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- M60A2 "Starship"
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- M577 Command Track
Paris, France
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 09:11 AM UTC
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On the surface this model looks beautiful, but as I get into the build, I am disappointed by little things, that should never have come up.
1) The push pine marks on the suspension 'A' arms. Why they are on the eposed side is beyond me, and the manufacturer as well.
2) The PE fender well MEXUS add-ons. The instructions for which go where are incorrect. They are easy enough to piece together by eye, but this is simple stuff that should have never "gotten away".
3) the instruction on the wheel assembly are not clear. They are in fact a mirror image - left to right, but one side is hidden, and you really aren't sure until you attach them to the axles.
4) The stowage loop "rails" that run along the turret edges and the upper hull. They are a plastic "abortion" and should have been made of photo etch. If I get into a masochistic mood, I might try scratch building them. Eduard should offer this detail as a ZOOM fret.
I just finished up the suspension and am waiting for the glue to set before I move on. Despite my railings above, I have been anticipating this subjects release, as I did the M706/V100/150.
Something that is correctable with putty, is to fill the dimples on the hull, and NOT apply the MEXUS. OR, even better, the attachment points could have been molded into the hull, if you wanted to lease the MEXUS off - similar to the AAVP7A1 RAM/RS from Hobby Boss.
That's all for now,
Mark L.
totally agree with you MArk
The tie down the plastic tie down can be replace with the left over from the VOyager PE from their Stryker for example.
You need to take care of the suspension arms to open correctly the space between the arms.
since it was a preproduction kit, I dont have the PE parts so I am happy about your comments.
cheers
Seb
Tokyo-to, Japan / 日本
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:22 AM UTC
As much as I don't want this kit, I'm getting one for half price, so its a hard deal to turn down.
Gonna see how it compares to my NWM kit.
Michigan, United States
Joined: November 02, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 01:12 PM UTC
I am trying something new with the tires of this kit. I wadded up some copper wire into a pea size ball and stuffed it into the rubber/vinyl tires. This causes a slight bulge in the tire and somewhat flattens it - along with some help from a sanding stick.
I will post pictures in the future of this.technique One kink in this method, is that the wheel halves will have to be glued together and the tire stretched over the hubs. I really wish the wheels were easier to remove from the axles. Maybe the next one I build, I will find a work around.
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Motor City Armor & Figure Society
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- M60A2 "Starship"
- Dodge Carry All
- M577 Command Track
Missouri, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 01:14 PM UTC
Steve Tyliszczak is hat you V.B.?
Drop me a line when you have the time.
Mrosko
Camouflage, all I see is Camouflage. Yeah BABY! Ya gotta dig them there colors !
Baron-von Mrosko
United States
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 02:02 PM UTC
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As much as I don't want this kit, I'm getting one for half price, so its a hard deal to turn down.
Gonna see how it compares to my NWM kit.
Rob Skipper posted some pics on Missing Lynx that showed pretty convincingly that the NWM turret is way off proportionally. It suffers from other detail issues as well. I'd have to assume since he helped Trumpeter that they at least got the turret right.
Tokyo-to, Japan / 日本
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 02:51 PM UTC
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As much as I don't want this kit, I'm getting one for half price, so its a hard deal to turn down.
Gonna see how it compares to my NWM kit.
Rob Skipper posted some pics on Missing Lynx that showed pretty convincingly that the NWM turret is way off proportionally. It suffers from other detail issues as well. I'd have to assume since he helped Trumpeter that they at least got the turret right.
The NWM M1117 kit has never been posted. The turret was mastered off pics and measurements provided to the company. The only pics posted was of the M1200 AFV kit and the M1117 turret without the accompanying details (I have the turret myself). The M1200 and M1117 vehicles kits differ from each other in certain details. This is evident in the master I have seen between both kits. There are more lumps and bumps to the 1200 than the 11117 vehicle.
That said, the Trump kit isn't bad looking, but I've seen enough of the kits details that are too simplified for my taste. I'd put my stake in the resin kit itself, only because the guy who mastered it, actually worked on the vehicle and measured it himself. The NWM kit could be more simplified too, but I guess I'll have to bend alot of copper wire to get it going.
This is where the Trump kit stands out in that department. Best of both worlds I guess.
My hope (and plan) is to try and mesh the best of both kits together if possible.
