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Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 01:15 PM UTC
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hello,
I served in the dutch army in 1982/83, we had the m110A1 version in those days ,the dutch army was converting at that time to m110A2.The verlinden-set has the right barrel for the M2A2 gun as on the M110 and the longer barrel M201 as on the A2,verlinden is incorrect in calling the short tube variant a M110A1.You can use the longer barrel without the muzzle brake and you will have the correct barrel for the M110A1,so in fact you can make all three versions with this conversionkit which in the first place was intended for the m107 kit at a time italeri was yet to release their m110 kit.The verlinden gun is naerly accurate when you use the whole gun with short tube(M2A2)or vietnam version,when you want to use the longer barrel with or without the muzzlebrake you should use the part that fits in the craddle from the kit because these demensions are better,its not entirely accurate but dimensions are near and overall length is okay,
regards,bert
a lot of the M110's started life as M107's, and vise versa. There's more to the task that just switching barrels to convert an M107 to an 8" SPG. The equilibrators or recuperators are different between the two as well. Then there is a forward travel lock that has to either be removed or added, depending on which one. The crane and loader are similar if not identical. I have seen M110's with the forward travel lock still attached, but not many.
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 11:16 AM UTC
Any photos yet, Gary?
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 12:59 PM UTC
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Any photos yet, Gary?
Joe.
I sure do, and the postman will deliver very soon.
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 07:59 PM UTC
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Any photos yet, Gary?
Joe.
you got about 40 pics in the mail (M110)
a whole lot more to follow!
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 08:04 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
Wow buddy!
I'm just checking these out right now!
Amazing pics. Thanks for everything, my friend!
Really!
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 05:55 AM UTC
they just announced this morning that they are taking 1200 acres on my side of the road this morning, and now I don't know if I'll be able to get back in there in the future. Last thing I needed to hear
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 11:18 AM UTC
Oh no!
Does that mean no more great photos?
Argh!!!
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 02:18 PM UTC
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Oh no!
Does that mean no more great photos?
Argh!!!
Joe.
Joe,
right this very minute it's kinda hard to say. I spoke with the acting First Sargent in the training unit down there earlier in the week (we smoke a few cigars together, and are fairly good friends even though he knows about my past relationships with senior NCO's), and he's not sure as well. But in all probability the main access road will have to stay open. It really depends on much more the base commander wants to become a pinhead (he already is a major one). We all in the area fish the lakes down there, as well as deer hunt and turkey hunt (first thing Colonel pinhead did was end hunting on the military side of the road even though the tax payer paid for all the birds released and deer habitat). And then there's the 3 million spent on the shooting range and trap ranges. Folks are gonna be up in arms if they can't use them, being as we paid for them. And that's not counting all the buildings that have been built down there for civilian usage. There's even a live steam model railroad down there! But I think the local mushrum hunters will in the end scream the loudest!
From what my buddy told me they going to close all Army Reserve and National Guard training sites except for this one, and everybody that's getting deported to Iraq or Afghanistan must now go thru this place (fat chance). One good thing about it is that it will create quite a few construction jobs just building the place back up again (I'd call it a major boon doggle). And we're worried about the Fed going broke! They must have lots of money to waste it on that place
gary
P.S. going down to FT Knox this week if it don't rain
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 10:37 AM UTC
I snaped about 190 pics this afternoon in much better sunlight than ever before. Also used my S5 Pro for a change with a 12-24 Sigma lense. Just glancing thru about six or eight photos left me feeling much better with the details comming forth.
Went back a did a double check on my Ontos data as well. Got four or five close ups of the muzzel end of the barrels.
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 11:26 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 08:14 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
Just checked my emails. Thanks my friend. They are some great photos you've sent through there. Lots of detail.
Thanks again Gary. They're great!
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 09:05 PM UTC
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Hi Gary,
Just checked my emails. Thanks my friend. They are some great photos you've sent through there. Lots of detail.
Thanks again Gary. They're great!
Joe.
most of the photos you've seen came from my Samsung camera. It's small and for what it is, it takes great pictures at 10 meg a piece. This latest batch came out of one of my Fuji's at 12 meg with a full 3/4 frame. That's why they blow up so well. The lense is huge (diameter), and have not bothered to buy any filters for it (very expensive). Could have gotten slightly better ones shooting in raw, but I hate Photoshop! And I'd have gone thru three Compact Flash cards. Normally I'd have used my S3 instead, but the batteries were dead.
I also have some more Ontos pics, plus a few more M42's. I was down there to get pics of the M38 Jeep. I think I have an "in" for a photo shoot of a flying Blackhawk and maybe even a Cobra gunship (newer ones)
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 09:10 PM UTC
Thanks Gary,
I'd love to see the M42 Duster & M38 Jeep shots as I have both of those models here to build in the future.
Thanks again.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 08:00 PM UTC
Just out of interest, how was the huge 8in shell transported from the ground & up into the breech?
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Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 06:08 AM UTC
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Just out of interest, how was the huge 8in shell transported from the ground & up into the breech?
Joe.
8" rounds come on a pallet very similar to a 155 pallot. Normaly the rounds are left banded up on the pallot till they are brought out to the gun. Then they are handed down off the truck near the rear of the gun. If they're just HE rounds we usually just rolled them off the back of the truck (204lb. a piece!)Then two guys will stand the round upright so they can either lay it on a cradle to take to the crane on the back of the SPG. But after awhile you learn to roll the round upright into a position to allow you to lay the round on the cradle of the crane (there's a cradle with handles and the one on the crane itself). Once the round is on the crane's cradle it's elevated and swung around to be inline with the breech. After that the round is loaded into the breech via a hydraulic rammer. Most of the hand held cradles used four men, but having four men never happened unless you were in the states. There were two men ontop the SPG, and the rest were prepping the rounds, and powder. Only thing I ever shot out of an 8" or 175 was HE, so how they handled the other stuff I'm not positive. But the trick was to get the rounds as close to the crane as possible (still a pain). 175 rounds are actually easier to work with than an 8" round even though they are a little longer. This shows the advantage of having the large wooden platform when handeling the ammo. Powder bags are similar in size to a 155 (might be a little bigger), but the 175 is another story. A zone three charge is 5' 7" long! (I can't remember how the 175 powder was shipped before anyone asks). Lastly there is nothing directly behind a 175 gun! NEVER! It's a saftey issue. The 8" rounds are picked up off to the gunner's backside if I remember right. (I have not shot an 8" or 175 since 1967)
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Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 07:06 AM UTC
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the heads up on how to load an 8in. So, you rolled them straight off the back of a truck, eh? Would it be a 5ton truck or would the deuce & a half be okay?
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Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 08:19 AM UTC
Hi Joe PM inbound buddy
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Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 08:27 AM UTC
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for the heads up on how to load an 8in. So, you rolled them straight off the back of a truck, eh? Would it be a 5ton truck or would the deuce & a half be okay?
Joe.
most arty units use five ton trucks 90% of the time. You have to remember that an HE round has a rather thick wall, and with the nose plug in it, it's hard to hurt. You don't want to roll the rounds out ontop of each other to prevent damage to the driving band, but otherwise they're bout as hard as my ex's head
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Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 09:27 AM UTC
Hi Gary,
Oh, I love the analogy, my friend! There must be countless exes across the world with heads as hard as an 8in HE round, eh? That did make me laugh!
Okay, a 5ton truck it is then. How many pallets of 8in shells could be carried by a 5ton truck? Any ideas?
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Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 09:30 AM UTC
Thanks for the PM, Jaymes. There's one on its way right back to you, mate!
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Posted: Friday, May 21, 2010 - 05:56 AM UTC
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Hi Gary,
Oh, I love the analogy, my friend! There must be countless exes across the world with heads as hard as an 8in HE round, eh? That did make me laugh!
Okay, a 5ton truck it is then. How many pallets of 8in shells could be carried by a 5ton truck? Any ideas?
Joe.
That would just depend on how the truck was loaded. If it was way out in the boondocks they might just drop a landing net full of projos in the back of the truck (probably 250 rounds). But if they were close to a depot they probably will be loaded with a fork truck. Then tey might get 350 to 400 rounds in it without too much trouble. Powder is what takes up the room in the back of a truck. The canisters come banded up in clusters that are probably 24 or 30 canisters per group. 155 units will take the five tons (all they can lay their hands on)and load them up till they are completely full. If they are bringing in ammo by chopper then they will use landing nets full of rounds (normally about 400 to 500 per truck). Often they will take a duce and a half to load the powder in as they weight is not a problem (we had three duce and a halfs). Depends on how much your shooting the day before. 105's were a pain because of the way the rounds are shipped in crates, and it often takes three or four flights to get a full load out. You have to remember that the SPG's shot a lot less rounds than the towed guns did. So 300 rounds might do a three gun battery for two days in an 8". But on a 105, that might be a one day load for one gun at best. 155 units will do about five hundred rounds a day on a busy schedule (most will be H&I)
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Posted: Friday, May 21, 2010 - 07:01 AM UTC
Gary,
Okay, that's great. Thanks for passing on your knowledge here.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 07:30 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
Now I know this is slightly off topic here but I've used this thread as the M110 is almost the same as the M107 except for the shooting bit!
I need help. Does anybody know where I can get 175mm ammo for the M107? I understand Verlinden did a set but I cant seem to find it anywhere. I'm looking for between 5 & 10 sets.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks fellas.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 04:13 AM UTC
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Hi fellas,
Now I know this is slightly off topic here but I've used this thread as the M110 is almost the same as the M107 except for the shooting bit!
I need help. Does anybody know where I can get 175mm ammo for the M107? I understand Verlinden did a set but I cant seem to find it anywhere. I'm looking for between 5 & 10 sets.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks fellas.
Joe.
Joe,
the real problem is not the projos, but the powder and canisters. The zone three powder set alone is about ten inches in diameter and about five and a half feet long. I tinkered with the idea in the past with using real .204 diameter VLD bullets (very close to shape & size). All you need is to add a brass driving band, and then simply paint the fuse. I know this sounds far fetched, but a 175mm round is really the first VLD bullet ever manufactured (actually a seacant ogive bullet very similar to what Hornaday or Berger sells). I wish 155mm rounds were that easy! They're a dead ringer for 17 caliber in diameter, but the shape is off.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 04:39 AM UTC
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I understand Verlinden did a set but I cant seem to find it anywhere.I'm looking for between 5 & 10 sets
One set is better than no set at all
http://cgi.ebay.com/VERLINDEN-1-35-Ammo-Set-item-414-422-95-201-/180329599499 HTH
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