Hi,
I was lucky enough to win a 1/35th Italeri M110A1 Self Propelled Howitzer (I heard these are pretty rare) on an ebay auction recently & I'm looking for some good quality aftermarket products. I would like to place it in a Vietnam war setting so do I need to convert to an M110 or not?
Can I use the Eduard set #35549 for the M107 up to a point as the hulls are identical or is there another photo-etch set on the market?
Can I buy a good metal or resin 8inch barrel from anywhere? It must be the version that was used in Vietnam.
Do I need to replace the rubber tracks supplied with the kit (i.e: with metal or resin) or are the rubber ones good enough?
Please help. I look forward to any & all information that can be supplied.
Joe.
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joegrafton
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Posted: Saturday, January 16, 2010 - 09:25 AM UTC
zapper
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Posted: Saturday, January 16, 2010 - 11:51 PM UTC
Hi Joe
The Eduard set is good for both the M107 and M110. Not sure why they don't label it for both vehicles. It might have to do with that it appeared when Italeri re-released the M107 (althought I'm not sure). It's the only PE set for this vehicle that I know of. You've probably alredy checked it out but here's a link to Eduards site anyway:
http://www.eduard.cz/products/card.php?id_product=2694&name=m-107&catalogue_nb=&type=&pgroup=&scale=&product_month=&product_year=&page_start=0 .
There are no alu. barrels for the M110 version out there. Verlinden did a update kit/conversion labeled A1/A2. Looking at the picture of it makes me wonder if there might be a "plain M110" alternative in the box as well? (anyone out there that knows?).
Even if there is the right barrel in there I can't say if there's any point getting it (again: opinions from others?)
There's no AM tracks except for the resin ones from SP Design. The problem with the kit tracks are that they are rather stiff but I'm unsure if the resin version should save you any work (bending them around the idler/sprocket). If only Fruil could make a set for the M107/M110/M578 series of vehicles
...
Cheers,
/E
The Eduard set is good for both the M107 and M110. Not sure why they don't label it for both vehicles. It might have to do with that it appeared when Italeri re-released the M107 (althought I'm not sure). It's the only PE set for this vehicle that I know of. You've probably alredy checked it out but here's a link to Eduards site anyway:
http://www.eduard.cz/products/card.php?id_product=2694&name=m-107&catalogue_nb=&type=&pgroup=&scale=&product_month=&product_year=&page_start=0 .
There are no alu. barrels for the M110 version out there. Verlinden did a update kit/conversion labeled A1/A2. Looking at the picture of it makes me wonder if there might be a "plain M110" alternative in the box as well? (anyone out there that knows?).
Even if there is the right barrel in there I can't say if there's any point getting it (again: opinions from others?)
There's no AM tracks except for the resin ones from SP Design. The problem with the kit tracks are that they are rather stiff but I'm unsure if the resin version should save you any work (bending them around the idler/sprocket). If only Fruil could make a set for the M107/M110/M578 series of vehicles
...Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 12:03 AM UTC
For the most part, Erick gave you solid info. Some other things to note.
The Verlinden kit is to convert the Italeri M110 kit to the M110A1 or A2, it will be of no help.
Pick up an AFV 155mm/8inch howither ammunition set....you can never have enough ammo.
The good news is the M110 had a shorter barrel than the M110A1.....get out the saw.
Rounds Complete!!
The Verlinden kit is to convert the Italeri M110 kit to the M110A1 or A2, it will be of no help.
Pick up an AFV 155mm/8inch howither ammunition set....you can never have enough ammo.
The good news is the M110 had a shorter barrel than the M110A1.....get out the saw.
Rounds Complete!!
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 03:27 AM UTC
Joe-
Several years ago, I built the gun my father crewed in Vietnam, using an M107 as the base kit, but used the gun tube and bits from an AFV Club M115 8 inch gun to replace the Italeri kit parts. Just a little minor conversion. The gun tubes themselves are all but identical, and it may be the alternative you need over the VP resin. As others have said, the tracks are the "bad" part of the kit, and the rear of the vehicle is severly lacking in detail. Have a GOOD supply of styrene strip, stock, and rod on hand, as well as a bunch of small diameter solder or copper wire.
Good luck with your project!
Rod
Several years ago, I built the gun my father crewed in Vietnam, using an M107 as the base kit, but used the gun tube and bits from an AFV Club M115 8 inch gun to replace the Italeri kit parts. Just a little minor conversion. The gun tubes themselves are all but identical, and it may be the alternative you need over the VP resin. As others have said, the tracks are the "bad" part of the kit, and the rear of the vehicle is severly lacking in detail. Have a GOOD supply of styrene strip, stock, and rod on hand, as well as a bunch of small diameter solder or copper wire.
Good luck with your project!
Rod
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 05:51 AM UTC
After you chop the barrel you'll need to insert a piece of evergreen tubing and fill the gap with CA. Rifling is optional but with a tube that large it looks better.
The track, although very stiff, are usable. The trick is to cut off the guide horns where the track will go around the rear wheel. You can then slip the track on without breaking off wheels, and the absnce of the guide horns won't be seen, To get the realistic sag, drill holes the hull and insert brass rod through the holes to force the track down where you want it to go. Once you paint the rod the track color you'll barely see it.
The track, although very stiff, are usable. The trick is to cut off the guide horns where the track will go around the rear wheel. You can then slip the track on without breaking off wheels, and the absnce of the guide horns won't be seen, To get the realistic sag, drill holes the hull and insert brass rod through the holes to force the track down where you want it to go. Once you paint the rod the track color you'll barely see it.
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 07:07 AM UTC
there's a little more to it than just chopping the barrel off. Some of the barrels looked just like somebody cut them off, and some have a slight bell mouth out on the end. The equilibrators are different on the M107 than the M110, as well as the traveling cradle. Otherwise you can install an 8" barrel on an M107, or vice versa. (this was done by the 3rd of the 18th in Vietnam). I have seen M110's built out of M107's that still had the cradel, so at least with the 3rd/18th in I-Corps it would be just fine. I trained M107's and M110's, and like others say they new ones are very similar to the old ones. One slight difference I remember well was the lack of the seat belts on the older SPG's. The M110 was a great ride, but the M107 would make you sea sick!
gary
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 08:21 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The Verlinden kit is to convert the Italeri M110 kit to the M110A1 or A2, it will be of no help.
Regarding the Verlinden kit: What makes me wonder if this kit would be good for a M110 is the parts shown on the box art.
There are three barrel parts in the photo:
1 the part that is attached onto the cradle (should be the same for all three versions); 2 a longer piece (that I assume is the A1/A2 barrel); and 3, at the bottom, a shorter part that I thought might be the barrel for an M110.
On the other hand you might have the kit and then I'm just making a fool out of myself
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 09:57 PM UTC
Quoted Text
After you chop the barrel you'll need to insert a piece of evergreen tubing and fill the gap with CA. Rifling is optional but with a tube that large it looks better.
The track, although very stiff, are usable. The trick is to cut off the guide horns where the track will go around the rear wheel. You can then slip the track on without breaking off wheels, and the absnce of the guide horns won't be seen, To get the realistic sag, drill holes the hull and insert brass rod through the holes to force the track down where you want it to go. Once you paint the rod the track color you'll barely see it.
Even then, the track on one side is slightly too short - it's sized for the shorter side, where the last axle is slightly ahead of its counterpart opposite. I fixed it by pinning the last swing arm on each side - a sewing pin right at the bottom rear corner of the hull, going through the swing arm and into the wheel. This has so far stopped the arm pinging off under the tension.
I forced the track to sag right with glue. CA is no use but epoxy works - if you put it on the inner side, at the top of the No.1 road wheel, it stays well hidden. In my case the bond still didn't quite take but I fixed it with CA (so the order, from the top, is track, epoxy, CA, epoxy, road wheel).
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Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 11:20 PM UTC
Hi, I also built this kit some years ago, but didn´t finished it.
It´s a nice kit, with good fit of the parts. But at that time, I had no after-market sets for detailing this vehicle.
As I remember, I had problems with the tracks.
greetings...
Soeren
It´s a nice kit, with good fit of the parts. But at that time, I had no after-market sets for detailing this vehicle.
As I remember, I had problems with the tracks.
greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 08:47 AM UTC
"Rifling is optional......"
What is a good source for rifling? Is this an aftermarket item that is kit-specific....or possibly a thin sheet that can be used with all of the larger bored weapons?
Thanks,
Dave
What is a good source for rifling? Is this an aftermarket item that is kit-specific....or possibly a thin sheet that can be used with all of the larger bored weapons?
Thanks,
Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:27 AM UTC
I can't say with any certainty where that rifling came from. More than likely it was an On the Mark set. Mark produced a set of US rifling for the standard US calibers, and a Soviet set for the standard Soviet calibers. It wouldn't surprise me if he did a German set as well.
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 01:14 AM UTC
Hi everybody,
I just thought I would let everbody know that I have been able to acquire the Verlinden M110 conversion set from a fellow user of this site who goes by the callsign of AFV_Rob. Just to let people know that the kit does contain the barrel of the M110 aswell as the A1 & A2.
Rob, you really are a great guy! Thanks very much indeed!
Joe.
I just thought I would let everbody know that I have been able to acquire the Verlinden M110 conversion set from a fellow user of this site who goes by the callsign of AFV_Rob. Just to let people know that the kit does contain the barrel of the M110 aswell as the A1 & A2.
Rob, you really are a great guy! Thanks very much indeed!
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 02:07 AM UTC
Joe,
Thanks for once and for all confirming to me that it have the plain M110 barrel. I've always been unsure althought it have looked that way judging by the box picture.
Please keep us posted of your progress on these (M109/M110) projects.
Cheers,
/E
Thanks for once and for all confirming to me that it have the plain M110 barrel. I've always been unsure althought it have looked that way judging by the box picture.
Please keep us posted of your progress on these (M109/M110) projects.
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 07:23 AM UTC
Hi Erik,
I sure will! I'm waiting to get hold of the Eduard M107 photo-etch set (which is good for the M110) & also SP Designs resin tracks which are on their way from the States right now.
Any idea where I can get some good close up reference material for the M107/M110, M109 & also the M114A1 155mm howitzer which was the towed version used in Vietnam?
Books on artillery used in Vietnam seem to be few & far between!
Joe.
I sure will! I'm waiting to get hold of the Eduard M107 photo-etch set (which is good for the M110) & also SP Designs resin tracks which are on their way from the States right now.
Any idea where I can get some good close up reference material for the M107/M110, M109 & also the M114A1 155mm howitzer which was the towed version used in Vietnam?
Books on artillery used in Vietnam seem to be few & far between!
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 11:06 AM UTC
Joe,
From the top of my head:
Verlinden have their Warmachines no 1 M108/M109/A1/A2 and I saw in a flyer that Squadron are about to release an M108(?)/M109 Walk Around. If you PM me your email I can send some photos that might be of interest.
There is a lot of veteran photos out on the web Google something like artillery+vietnam and you should find plenty in-action pictures.
Other sources for walk arounds is http://www.primeportal.net and http://svsm.org/ , although I'm not sure if they have anything on those vehicles.
Cheers,
/E
From the top of my head:
Verlinden have their Warmachines no 1 M108/M109/A1/A2 and I saw in a flyer that Squadron are about to release an M108(?)/M109 Walk Around. If you PM me your email I can send some photos that might be of interest.
There is a lot of veteran photos out on the web Google something like artillery+vietnam and you should find plenty in-action pictures.
Other sources for walk arounds is http://www.primeportal.net and http://svsm.org/ , although I'm not sure if they have anything on those vehicles.
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 02:44 AM UTC
Whiskey6
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 03:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Erik,
I sure will! I'm waiting to get hold of the Eduard M107 photo-etch set (which is good for the M110) & also SP Designs resin tracks which are on their way from the States right now.
Any idea where I can get some good close up reference material for the M107/M110, M109 & also the M114A1 155mm howitzer which was the towed version used in Vietnam?
Books on artillery used in Vietnam seem to be few & far between!
Joe.
Joe -
I have some pretty good close-ups of a U. S. Marine Corps M-110A2 and an M-107. I'd be happy to email them to you.
Semper Fi,
Dave
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 04:43 AM UTC
Hi Joe
Ref info for the M110. Now not sure where you live, but if you can easily get to Woolich, SE London, then pop into Firepower, the Royal Artillery museum, they have one there, cameras are allowed.
Stu
Ref info for the M110. Now not sure where you live, but if you can easily get to Woolich, SE London, then pop into Firepower, the Royal Artillery museum, they have one there, cameras are allowed.
Stu
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 08:06 AM UTC
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Hi Stu,Hi Joe
Ref info for the M110. Now not sure where you live, but if you can easily get to Woolich, SE London, then pop into Firepower, the Royal Artillery museum, they have one there, cameras are allowed.
Stu
Oh really?!!! I'm only in Sidcup! That's about 15 minutes away!
Result!
Could you email their address to me, mate?
Thanks. Really appreciated.
Joe
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:39 AM UTC
E-mail on it's way to you mate.
Stu
Stu
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 06:40 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Joe
Ref info for the M110. Now not sure where you live, but if you can easily get to Woolich, SE London, then pop into Firepower, the Royal Artillery museum, they have one there, cameras are allowed.
Stu
I have a M110a2 setting about twenty minutes south of me. But if you need pics it's gonna have to wait a little bit as it virtually buried in snow!! (six foot drifts!!) I have a trip planed to shoot pics of an Ontos parked right next to it
gary
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:03 PM UTC
Hey Gary,
Now that is a true gentleman speaking. I would love you to take some pics of the 110 for me. Thanks very much indeed for offering. 6' drifts?! Wow, everyone was complaining in England last month cos we had 6". Unbelievable!
Keep me posted on the pics, mate.
Joe.
Now that is a true gentleman speaking. I would love you to take some pics of the 110 for me. Thanks very much indeed for offering. 6' drifts?! Wow, everyone was complaining in England last month cos we had 6". Unbelievable!
Keep me posted on the pics, mate.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 06:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hey Gary,
Now that is a true gentleman speaking. I would love you to take some pics of the 110 for me. Thanks very much indeed for offering. 6' drifts?! Wow, everyone was complaining in England last month cos we had 6". Unbelievable!
Keep me posted on the pics, mate.
Joe.
after I made that post it started snowing again, and right now it looks we have another four inches on the ground! But at least there's no wind like before. I should be fishing right now!
There's a military display a little south of me with several Shermans and M60 tanks. An Honest John truck mounted launcher, M42 40mm duster, M110a2, 155mm Korean war howitzer, M50 Ontos, 75mm Pack howitzer, and a few othyers here and there. Most are buttoned up, so you can't get inside them. And it's forbiden to climb on them (but I have).
gary
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 08:12 AM UTC
Hey Gary,
I've making the Tamiya M42 Duster over here. Some photos of that would be most appreciated. Particularly inside - if you can climb on it!
Take care in that snow.
Joe.
I've making the Tamiya M42 Duster over here. Some photos of that would be most appreciated. Particularly inside - if you can climb on it!
Take care in that snow.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hey Gary,
I've making the Tamiya M42 Duster over here. Some photos of that would be most appreciated. Particularly inside - if you can climb on it!
Take care in that snow.
Joe.
I can get you photos of everything on the outside of the M42, but the insides are buttoned tight. I did have about fifty or sixty good photos, but lost all of them in a computer crash about three months ago. So hang loose and you'll get them whenever the weather says it's time to break. Right now you can't get within two hundred feet of the tanks
gary
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