Dioramas: Water Effects
Water! A sometimes intimidating effect.
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Posted: Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 07:23 AM UTC
Hi JBA,

Are you and Jenseits working together? Pretty amazing work coming from both of you!

Can't wait to see results.

-Joseph
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Posted: Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 07:25 AM UTC
Yep Joseph, he gives a hand on that one - I'm bad at water, he's not that good at figs
Thanks for the comment!
Soon it will be finished!
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Posted: Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 08:56 AM UTC
You guys are amazing!

C.
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Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 - 06:33 AM UTC
Thank you Charles,
then as you requested here are some pictures of the different resin coats. Actually only one additional one from the first step I showed here a few days ago.
But the Xtreme part of the diorama starts right there

My 2 coats look alright. Quite transparent indeed


The waves fit alright..


So let's put another coat of resin ad blend the background and the waves with it!
of course don't do this at home without a good gas mask!!
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Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 - 06:53 AM UTC
Oh boy! if you just left it as it is it would be great! I love the flag drifting slightly under the water. You are catching the aftermath of a sunk ship very well.
Looking forward to the next phase

C.
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Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 - 08:52 AM UTC
Outstanding Nicolas. Loving every new update.
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Posted: Friday, March 26, 2010 - 09:06 AM UTC
Ohh, it looks great and again I have no words for this!
The scene takes shape!
I had the idea to make/ build a sea-mine covered with clear-resin... but for this I still have no plans or a mine-model-kit.

But, inculding your hand this is a nice size-comparison!

greetings....
Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 05:54 AM UTC
Thanks Charles, indeed it drifts through a foggy sea.. i don't happen to be disappointed by the final result honestly

Thanks Franck, only 2 or 3 to go now, but I should be back very soon with something else

Soeren, if you need good plans for a German (I think) WW2 era mine, PM me off-line, I have this.
Thanks for your support as always

Well, here is the completed water after more blending of waves and base. I tend to be really cautious with the amounts of acrylic gel I apply, it's a great product but I had some troubles with it in the past. And then the sea ends up looking quite plastic in the end.
Here I just use it at the places where there should be some small ripples like around the bodies, hull etc.
I might add a few small ripples using Microscale Microclear.


I had to trim the edges of the waves


let's paint the bird, for the moment, i am not too sure about the eyes, it looks like an Hollywood star. I painted it far from my colour references eh..

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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 06:32 AM UTC
Looking good. The bird is very nice.
Will you be putting in the little foam areas in and around the waves ala JBA?
(I'm thinking of the sea effect in JBA's 'Jaws' and 'Galilee')

Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 06:50 AM UTC
Nicolas, this is awesone modeling!

This are all such risky steps i imagine well your fear to spoil everything.
The look is superbe and the story so sad.
So much in such a small dio, chapeau!

Can you guys recall me your brand of resin?

Claude
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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 12:00 PM UTC
Got to love the smell of clear resin in the mornign

Keep up the good work! I'm on this side, watching
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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 10:48 PM UTC
Nicolas, my friend !
AWESOME WORK on the vignette !!!!!! Looking forward to the final phase of the "drama" . Cheers !
Kenneth .
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Posted: Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 10:51 PM UTC
Wow, the flag in the depth of water, I 've got the feeling that I can almost touch it.
Outstanding work.
What a topic this is!
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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 12:25 AM UTC
This is great.
I am also interested in the flag in the water.
It makes me feel "depth" and "fear" in the middle of sea.

Now, we are in a position to see the "bird" appearing in the scene.
It is my wating moment.

Cheers!
Nam,Seung-il
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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 03:26 AM UTC
Thanks Charles, ah no, no more effects on the water. the other day I was bored in town waiting for a bus or something and looked down the river and really there is nothing like a truly calm water it seems. So i needed to get all those bumps, but nothing like the inner turmoil you can see in JBA's Galilée for instance.
There is also the fact that I needed a see-through sea, so it didn't have to be that agitated.

Merci Claude. I use Gedeo resin, quite expensive and long to set I must say but it does the job wonderfully and is less toxic than the other brands

Actually Francisco, this smell makes me really sick! I have to take a lot of care with the gas mask Thanks for the comments

Thank you Kenneth friend, that one is almost finished now

Appreciated Alexandre, in the end you can see less of it than what i had plan, oh well..

Thanks Nam,Seung-il, I put the albatross on its final position basically half an hour ago, it really makes the Diorama "fly" I think..

So now the gel dried, so I basically walked out, put a grey paper and took those shots. it's almost definitive except for a base -I have to find out what I can use. I was thinking maybe a square section of wood painted with dark inks.. uh, I am not very good with bases. But a base it needs as the bottom of the water doesn't look so good.
I will let it rest 4 or 5 days, take a 000 brush and arrange a few things, but basically, next time you'll see it, it will be over with it.










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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 03:44 AM UTC
Brilliant! Makes me want to stay far away from ships and the sea. I do imagine this is what the flotsam of the battle aftermath must look like in a small microcosm.
We may have the best dioramists in France on this site!!

Cheers,
C.
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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 06:46 AM UTC
It is soo real that makes me feel blue.
Superb! Specaly the figures and the flag.
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Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 - 06:16 PM UTC
Nicolas, my friend !
Only one word comes to mind : AWESOME !!!! Please use the best base that money can buy because your vignette deserves it ! May i suggest a black laquered base as that will highlight the depth of the ocean and contrast with the dead seamen and the albatross. Cheers !
Kenneth .
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 09:54 AM UTC
That's really very kind Charles thank you

Thanks Kaspar for your comment too!

Honestly friends, I am here for that, put things in your head.

dear Kenneth, you are absolutely right on the idea and colour -but that doesn't surprise me the least from you. unfortunately though I asked in town I got "our machines can't handle such small framing", so I ended up in cutting the wood by myself and paint it with valejo black, oh dear..

So well, you know one of the things that I don't like in web-dioramas? the way some diorama makers use some external shadows or the light of the sun to give an extra depth to their work. I used to be guilty of that a long time ago, but now I use only some very neutral light and a grey paper background, which means that what you can see below is the most accurate graphic representation of the real diorama I did. All light effects you see are just totally intentional, except some reflects on the water due to its glossiness.

If you want and have a look, JBA kindly let me a bit of his own website to show my diorama. On the bottom right on the page there is a round link called "the very big pics are there", you can have a look at some very big sized pictures of the diorama. It's is here: http://www.jbadiorama.com/tsushima-2.php

well, this is the end, a million of thanks to those who visited, several times more to all those who commented.
i might be back one day with something else, one day.













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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 10:56 AM UTC
A beautiful piece of art! I love the subtle colors across the bow of the ship.
I stand in awe of the French diorama artists.
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 11:02 AM UTC
Terrific work Nicolas. Your Dio turned out to be everything it promised from the start. Well done.
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 11:55 AM UTC
Awsome, wonderful talent and imagination!
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2010 - 07:46 AM UTC
Thank you Charles, may it lead you to go on the diorama path again very soon

Thanks a lot Pat, still I hope I can better it one day..

Thank you Derek, happy you liked it!
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2010 - 09:00 AM UTC
Again a build, for which I have no (english) words! It´s only great!
But it looks to me as a very sad scene... one dead sailor and the other one perhaps "nearly" dead.

The details and the "how-to" are very interesting and the overall effect is impressive!

greetings and happy easter / holidays!
Soeren
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2010 - 02:06 PM UTC
Hi Nicolas,

It's just nice and great.
I am really looking forward to seeing your next work!
(after taking a rest and recharging yourself for a while?)

Cheers!
Nam, Seung-il