Ok "Old friend" , here some replies, point by point. My apologies for my terrible english, I hope you doens't misundertand it:
1) You haven't reply me about the issue with verlinden productions. I think that this is not a matter to post here, and you haven't rights to make public something that is not your own history. Anyway i must tell you that you received lack of information about that history, but I must admit that your history is more funny that the real one!
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All 5 pictures of models you posted, that were done by other people, showed the lack of overall sophistication when compared to your builds, even though they all have used color modulation.
We are not talking about sophistication. Try to keep concentrate in one subject or all of us will get loss. We are talking about Modulation? about Teyhcniques, about sophistication? about apropiated used of what??? Ok, let 's talk about everything! But I was thinking that we are just talking about good results in modelling using CM or NOT.
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Now using your example, the imaginary panther. The panther would of looked the same at first glance with or without that modulation. And if we get down to it area by area, the portion of results from modulation that really came through to the end, was the color contrast on the roof, which, can be replicated many different ways. And it is my sincere belief that your way looked too unidirectional, and too uniformed.
You are wrong. And this is because you haven't see a good modulated vehicle in life. Is ovbiusly that you haven't too much idea about CM, because then, you will know (everybody who painted CM know it) that the worse enemy of the CM is the PHOTOGRAPHY, in fact, because some of the effects get anulated by the powerful light lamps! This is the only misssing battle in the CM. You can see more contrast in the roof turrent because I "wanted" more contrat in that area, so, I am glad to know that I was sucess with my intentions. As you can see, the CM catch the attention of the spectator inthe points where the modeller choose it. And you are the life example of that point. Thank you.
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In fact, I had already mentioned 2 examples of how to do that better in this very thread (opinionated of course). One is to use cloud pattern to spray this shift or alteration in color to the undercoat, so it shows up in a less intense manner. And 2, one could also use acrylic washes like I did, control the shape and sizes of washes to get to the general directional feel, but in a more discrete way.
EH????? 2 methods? The first one with Spray? Show me an example of this, because I cannot understand it. It seems the begining of a CM. But ok, if it way is less intense, you can named it with a new name!
And the other one....you are using INCORRECTLY the word WASH, and because you aren't a beginer modeller, you should know that a wash is used to create contrast and deep to the details and joins. So...Try to clarify the technique used for that idea. I recomend to use the word FILTER, more apropiated to say that a FILTER can make shapes of different tones over a surface, in a general way or as you say, more controles and by areas. But this is CM too! A CM can be made by airbrush or by planes.
the TERM MODULATION means a transition of a color to other more or less soft. This is the ARTISTIC MEANING OF MODULATION, that's all.
But anyway my dear friend...I cannot see those effects in your model. You said that you make discrete, but is too much discrete and nobody can see it, except a general coat of unregular dirt over the surface of your Panther which is far away to be controled or efective.
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so to repeat again, my initial statement, Color modulation is unnecessary in most cases, and because of the potential of overdoing it and ruining a whole model, I see no point doing it, There are better, easier, and less risky ways to get the same results. Modulate colors, yes, just not "color modulation" with its current definition (as an application method).
Is unnecesary if you doesn't need it, of course. Also for me, the PHOTOEATCH is unnecesary in many cases and there are other ways to finish a model very soon with goodquality without PE. Come on!!!! CM , PE and all stuff around us is OPTIONAL, and this is why is funny, because we can use it or not if we need it. NOBODY is talking about that because that point is ovbiusly! And in another hand, I haven't seen any other MODEL or MODELLER in the world making something like color modulation without using CM!! Show me one example!
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Your models from before you started modulating color were just as good, and many of them better than what you did more recentlyy (they are still good, but there can be differences between good and better). I'm also aware that you had picked up some new skills along the way, and without the modulation, IMO, some of these recent models of yours incorporating the new skills would of looked even better.
The point is that some models need CM and another not. And also it depends of what we want to explain with our creations. I paint also some models with pigments and another ones without it. Also I apinted a whole model with vallejo Acrilics without oils,enamels or other stuff. This is just an example that there are many ways in the modelling, and as far as I can read in all your posts is that there are only one valid way, and that other styles or technqieus is not valid under your point of view. But you haven't explain any rational explanations why not.
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And I think your definition of "fake" is a little different than mine.
Of the things you do as habits, one particular does strike me as fake, that is the oil (or other fluid) stains on your models that are depicted as wet. I think you wouldn't need those, or perhaps better to do them more transparently, like dried stains, instead o that wet look.
As you have say before in other treads, you have seen thousands and million of B/W photos during hours and days, right? Well, next time, spend the same time looking real effects in the real life, liek I do, and then, you will discover that there are a full range of different and incredible effects of wet, dry and more stuff like that in actual tanks or vehicles. If you applied that in IIWW tanks, you will achieve different efects that modellers just focused in IIWW are not used to see because they just base tehir models in B/W pictures. And one big point is like an example, the lack of dust in horizontal areas. Like your JP in 3 tones. because the B/W photos doens't show the dust over horizontal areas in real vehciles (always, the modeller think that it is a overexposition due the light reflection and they don't pay atention on that), so... your models have lack of horizontal dust. You can see that dust in all kind of vehciles from Iraq to Bosnia or Russia, but...is funny, the horizontal dust doens't exist in IIWW under your opinion.
Anyway, everybody have lack of habilities in some areas. And one of my strong points is that I spend a lot of time observing the reality and later, interpreting it. You can tell me that I am very bad with PE, which is true!! (By the way, you build very well, maybe you can send me one of your unpainted tanks, I can paint it with CM, and i will send you back to USA for your own collection. Then, we can continue the CM tread, what do you think?)
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Coloring is your business, so these discussions could affect it, and I apologize if the effect turns out negative, and sincerely hope for the positive effects. You also sold pigments (and of course, you know that I know who made them), and I raised both my hands in support of the use of them. I've been using your vietnam earth, beach sand and black smoke on exhausts ever since they became available. Too expansive to be used the way I do on tracks though, but quality is there.
Wanted to explain that this thread is not against your business, just opinions on a specific collection of products in your range.
NO, you are totally worng. Coloring is not my bussines, is my LIFE! and my hobby. My bussines is paint models, even sometimes, without using my own colors. But in fact, all of this is creating a very positive thing for us, the modeller in general. I missed themes like this one. In anotehr hand, maybe you missed the point that I am not in Mig productions anymore, and that Vietnam Earth and those colors is not mines anymore either!. Anyway, I think that you have no idea who made them and one more time, you still wrong. But please, send me a private email.... and let's talk about pigments, about verlinden (you own me this one) about resin copies (this one is good, right?) and about what about your life the last years, because....long time ago you just disapear from this planet and now i find you with a different name with your own PE company.
Trush me, your life is more interesting to me that the CM . Please, send me that email, I really miss you!
BTW: One more thing...: I can see that now you paint some nice models. I must admit that, even if these ones doens't add anything new to my eyes. I think that you just follow what other made before, you paint chips like others made before during years, and you just follow what other develop. But you still need to learn a lot, specially to respect to those who try to open new doors for guys like you. if these new techniques are transformed into bussines or not, it is just because there are a demand of that, and all of us must feel happy that someone can supply us with new tools and stuff to make our modelling lifes easier and more confortable.
I cannot say the same about teh Photeatching market, overflowed and boring, where everybody do the same, the same upgrade sets, the same grills for tanks, the same stuff.
Yes, I am in the bussines in one way or other, same like you, but I feel happy that my bussines in based in the inovation, in the creation, in something new that was not created before.
The IDEAS is my bussines.
MIG
PD: I will tell to Mig productions people that finally I contacted you. they will feel very happy to know that.
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