Armor/AFV: Vietnam
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Hisham
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 05:07 AM UTC
I was just thinking about you the other day and wondering how things were going.

Glad things are on schedule!

Hisham
Miliminis
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 11:24 AM UTC
Very well, Bob has been working feverishly on the Masters and the test castings look great! Even parts of our M-60A2 conversion project are going into the molding phase.
skyshark
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 03:51 PM UTC
Since you are doing a conversion for the M60A2. How about a M728 CEV conversion.
jashby
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 07:04 PM UTC
The more the merrier I say. You can never have to much when it comes to the good old M113.
What I would love to see is a decent Detroit Diesel Series 53 engine. It seems every German tank and others have detailed engines and bays available except the poor old forgotten child.
Love them or hate them the old carrier is still one of the best fighting vehicles the USA ever produced.
junglejim
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 07:25 PM UTC

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Since you are doing a conversion for the M60A2. How about a M728 CEV conversion.



Why re-invent the wheel?
PSM M728 conversion

Jim
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 09:04 PM UTC

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Since you are doing a conversion for the M60A2. How about a M728 CEV conversion.



Why re-invent the wheel?
PSM M728 conversion

Jim




But a nicely detailed/cast M9 dozer blade to go with it would be great.

Cheers,
/E
Miliminis
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 11:00 PM UTC
Yet another thing to think about. I've noticed that there is also no Dozer Blade for M-48's. Just too much to do at the moment, but down the road alittle it might prove interesting.
Diesel engines for M-113 are a great idea but getting-together all the necessary info to build one may prove alittle challenging. We do have excerpts from the M-113 TM's but good details on everything in an M-113's engine area to include the motor itself is alittle hard to get.
Thatguy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 12:03 AM UTC

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Diesel engines for M-113 are a great idea but getting-together all the necessary info to build one may prove alittle challenging. We do have excerpts from the M-113 TM's but good details on everything in an M-113's engine area to include the motor itself is alittle hard to get.


Is it a matter of not having all of pages from the TMs or is it just that the TM line drawings don't provide the necessary detail?

If the former, you can get most of the A2 and A3 series manuals through ETM.
skyshark
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 12:39 AM UTC
Ok what about this. A cheapper solution to the AVLB M60 bridge layer, and the MICLIC for the M60. Hobby fan prices, Crazy. All we need is the bridge and the extra mounting pieces, and for the MICLIC all you need is the devices and mounts.
jashby
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 12:47 AM UTC
Hi Ronnie,


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Diesel engines for M-113 are a great idea but getting-together all the necessary info to build one may prove alittle challenging.



Ask and you shall receive.











If you want I can send you these pics in an email. They are all of an Australian M113A1.

Cheers, John
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 01:25 AM UTC
Hi all,

yes, we desperately need a nice (and cheaper) M48/60 bridge layer conversion kit!!!!! Upgrade kits like Hobby Fan's M60 kit would be great too, especially for the old TAMIYA M48A3 kit.

An ENSURE M48 mine roller, used in Vietnam both by US Army and Australian forces, a M60 ROBAT or ... whatever, a long list of M48/60 conversions is waiting.

Sadly we have to wait some more days to see the first kits ...

Sascha
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 07:04 AM UTC

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Diesel engines for M-113 are a great idea but getting-together all the necessary info to build one may prove alittle challenging. We do have excerpts from the M-113 TM's but good details on everything in an M-113's engine area to include the motor itself is alittle hard to get.


Is it a matter of not having all of pages from the TMs or is it just that the TM line drawings don't provide the necessary detail?

If the former, you can get most of the A2 and A3 series manuals through ETM.



Thanks for the Link, might just invest in a few of those, we'll be needing them for sure!
Miliminis
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 07:09 AM UTC

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Hi Ronnie,


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Diesel engines for M-113 are a great idea but getting-together all the necessary info to build one may prove alittle challenging.



Ask and you shall receive.











If you want I can send you these pics in an email. They are all of an Australian M113A1.

Cheers, John



Thank you very much John, those will work unless you have any more floating around? They'll give us a head start.
Miliminis
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 07:14 AM UTC
The AVLB, M-48 or M-60, has long been on my list of favorite Tracks and we would love to produce one. Of course when we researched just what is available out there it proved to be a real short list when it came to Nam and Post-Nam Armor. Then the shocker came to me, the prices of some of the stuff. Made my hair turn greyer than it already is!!!! Fortunately, we are not in this for the money and our prices will reflect this in the future.
Thatguy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 08:02 AM UTC

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Diesel engines for M-113 are a great idea but getting-together all the necessary info to build one may prove alittle challenging. We do have excerpts from the M-113 TM's but good details on everything in an M-113's engine area to include the motor itself is alittle hard to get.


Is it a matter of not having all of pages from the TMs or is it just that the TM line drawings don't provide the necessary detail?

If the former, you can get most of the A2 and A3 series manuals through ETM.



Thanks for the Link, might just invest in a few of those, we'll be needing them for sure!


No monetary investment necessary. Its an official US Army website. So long as its approved for public release, distribution unlimited (Distribution Class A), then you can download these public domain government documents for free.
kampfy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 12:39 PM UTC
What has always stopped me from building anything in the m48 series is the tedious need to make a canvas mantlet cover. A resin replacement mantlet part for the Tamiya/Academy kits would be nice.
Miliminis
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 10:52 PM UTC
What we're doing with the Tamiya M-48 is a series of different accessories and upgrades, one of which is a new hollow-cast turret with a fully detailed mantlet/cover combination. The new turret will have quite a few detail corrections, casting numbers, better cast texture, new hatches and a correct M-1 Cupola. Later we'll hit the MagAch 3, M-9 Dozer, Mine Plow and more. First we have to address the major issue with that kit being the suspension and lower hull defects.
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 09:24 AM UTC
Another idea to though in the pot, interior. Especially the interior of the M2 & M3 Bradley's. M2A2 ODS, M3A2 and include the vision blocks on the rear hach of the M3. Tamya does have the interior for the M2. I'm talking about the the bench type seats and all the extras like proper tow missile racks.
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 06:57 AM UTC
There's a bunch of things I can think of since I only do Vietnam era armor.

One thing is the M48A3 dozer tank which uses the M8A3 dozer kit.

Another is the M27 tripod for the M40A4 106MM RR. The ones that are sold with the M40 are fine but the Marines used the older tripod that came off the M274 mule many times and nobody has ever made that little gem. I made one from scratch that was alright. But I would by a bunch.
BigDaddybluesman
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 07:16 AM UTC
Oh and either a conversion for the older WC versions to a M37 or a new M37 kit. Nobody has done this. Yet there are so many M101 trailers that go with the M37. If you look at pictures of Nam there's a M37 truck in just about all of them somewhere.

I looked at your web site. If you do produce these items I WILL be buying more than just one.

I am building bunch of M113 and M577s from the Tamiya kits. What a horror!!!!!! The back of the M577 are ALL wrong. The details are all wrong. I know I drove them along with the M113 and ITV versions in the US Army.

I just this morning scratched off same of the detail and am building the correct mounts from sprue for the frame mounts. So many incorrect details. I have the Eduard sets but the best thing on them are the grills, the rest is a PIA to use.

The list is a long one but the M67 flame tank sounds great. I have the Ironside version and it needs help. I also have the Azimuth M706 open top Airforce version and that's something that can be made easily enough.

So many poorly made kits and so little time. I spend more time fixing the incorrect details then actually building the models. I would love to just be able to put together something that was at least close to correct. None of these companies did their homework. The kits are just all wrong and the closer you look the more wrong they are.

I have so many models I want to build and am being held up by having to fix and scratch build so many corrections for the models I am building.

Even the Tamiya M106 Mortar track is wrong, were is all the mounts for the base plate?

Also if you want to do Vietnam M113s include some of those M9 radar sets, all HQ platoons had them in a few tracks.

I am also trying to build the correct turret for the M132 flame M113. Academy has it wrong and the Verliden conversion is wrong too.

My list is endless.......
Miliminis
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 08:45 AM UTC
You might want to stand-by on the M-577's as correct ones are on the way, with basic "CP" interiors and the "Zippo" turrets.
Right now we're busy fixing the damaged items (molds, etc.) from our recent round of flooding last week and salvaging the RTV and Resin we had stored. What a mess!
I don't really know if it would be worthwhile hitting the Tamiya M2-M3 Bradley series but I do know that more modern versions are in the planning stages.
By the way, if anyone has planned a vacation to Hershey Park in the near future, you may want to check fist if all their flood damage has been repaired. They got hit hard!
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 10:50 AM UTC

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Another is the M27 tripod for the M40A4 106MM RR. The ones that are sold with the M40 are fine but the Marines used the older tripod that came off the M274 mule many times and nobody has ever made that little gem. I made one from scratch that was alright. But I would by a bunch.



I'll second that!

BTW BigDaddybluesman, if you have any measurements of the M27 left from your build I'd be very happy if you could PM them to me.

Cheeers,
/E
junglejim
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 12:00 PM UTC
It's funny, this is posted in the Vietnam (time frame) sub forum, titled for M113 and M48 fans, and you've got 'suggestions' for M60's (not a stretch) to everything including uparmoured Canadian Leopards and Bradley interiors! Stay on target people...I think there's enough for them to do just focusing on the topic at hand.

Jim
Miliminis
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 12:47 PM UTC
Of course it is very true, we do have alot to do at the moment but suggestions help us to plan ahead regardless of era or types of armor.
skyshark
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 12:49 PM UTC
Jim just want to say, these are just suggestions of wants that we think would be beneficial to Ronnie. When he announced his new company he did mention what folks were looking for. On his site he shows tracks like M113A2/3, M1059, M1068, and the M577A2. Having over 17yrs in the US Army, I don't think any of these vehicles were in Vietnam. Just one question, how come everytime someone post something on Armorama and someone replies to it, you have some people on here who has to make a negitive commit like they own this site. If someone says they would like to see something made. If you don't like it, it's none of your business.