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Tamiya T-55 - WIP
retiredyank
Joined: June 29, 2009
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:43 PM UTC
Your build is looking really nice Jesse. I'm glad I caught this thread from the beginning.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:44 PM UTC
Nicely done
I like a lot your attention to details
I like a lot your attention to details
Wakemeup
Joined: September 02, 2006
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:52 PM UTC
Hi!
I see good details,and I like the work that you're doing....my polish T-55a is still a wip from a year or so....I've added only few things but in these days I'll try to go on with it....
You can get some details in this blog:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/166379
If I can help you in some way let me know.
Please,keep in mind that my Northern alliance T-55 is incorrect,it has some innaccurancies that I've fixed over the polish t-55...that it's however another version(production) of the T-55.
You need to add:
1)Exhaust hole at the bottom of the lower edge,under the mount for the
head(search)light.
2)connectors for the fuel lines
3)rework the tow hooks,the ones in tamiya kit are incorrect,they need to be more "high"
Please don't get these observations as a negative critics,you're doing a good work and I see the casting number under the tank so I assume that the accurancy is your goal...and with this in mind I try to help you.No intention to get dowm your topic or model.
I hope to see more updates...and feel free to contact me if you need something or some extra bits for your tank!
Regards
Ciro
I see good details,and I like the work that you're doing....my polish T-55a is still a wip from a year or so....I've added only few things but in these days I'll try to go on with it....
You can get some details in this blog:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/166379
If I can help you in some way let me know.
Please,keep in mind that my Northern alliance T-55 is incorrect,it has some innaccurancies that I've fixed over the polish t-55...that it's however another version(production) of the T-55.
You need to add:
1)Exhaust hole at the bottom of the lower edge,under the mount for the
head(search)light.
2)connectors for the fuel lines
3)rework the tow hooks,the ones in tamiya kit are incorrect,they need to be more "high"
Please don't get these observations as a negative critics,you're doing a good work and I see the casting number under the tank so I assume that the accurancy is your goal...and with this in mind I try to help you.No intention to get dowm your topic or model.
I hope to see more updates...and feel free to contact me if you need something or some extra bits for your tank!
Regards
Ciro
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 11:57 PM UTC
Hi Ciro
I hope to see your Polish T-55 progresses. It was outstanding indeed
Let you know about
Cheers
I hope to see your Polish T-55 progresses. It was outstanding indeed
Let you know about
Cheers
dvarettoni
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Posted: Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 12:19 AM UTC
hay Jesse looking good can't wait to see this in person
dave
dave
Wakemeup
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Posted: Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 12:26 AM UTC
maybe this help!
Regards
Ciro
last photo is a JNA t-55a polish built (Balkan War) with some rubber shield/protections...and it's my model.
Regards
Ciro
last photo is a JNA t-55a polish built (Balkan War) with some rubber shield/protections...and it's my model.
pseudorealityx
Joined: January 31, 2010
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Posted: Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 03:06 AM UTC
Thanks for the comments everyone.
@Dave: see you in February. The Atlanta Club should hopefully have quite a few T-55's by then!
@Ciro: Thanks for the photos and link. I ignored the tow hook inaccuracy. I'll see what I can come up with for the fuel line connectors. As far as the exhaust hole, I've seen that, but I'm not exactly sure how to get a very neatly rectangular hole in that area without making it look bad, so for now, I've ignored it.
With the wading rail, do you have any more photos of the sides? That looks like something I could potentially add without too much issue.
I'm excited about getting some paint on this guy.
@Dave: see you in February. The Atlanta Club should hopefully have quite a few T-55's by then!
@Ciro: Thanks for the photos and link. I ignored the tow hook inaccuracy. I'll see what I can come up with for the fuel line connectors. As far as the exhaust hole, I've seen that, but I'm not exactly sure how to get a very neatly rectangular hole in that area without making it look bad, so for now, I've ignored it.
With the wading rail, do you have any more photos of the sides? That looks like something I could potentially add without too much issue.I'm excited about getting some paint on this guy.
Kharkov
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 02:49 AM UTC
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One more thing...
What are people's thoughts on the base color vs. camo color of the picture at the top?? Is the darker green the base or the camo color? Looking at the bottom of the idler wheel boss, it seems the lighter color might be the base. Then again, it seems the darker color is around all of the things on the tank that would require a bit more care when it comes to masking.
Thoughts?
Fantastic so far
My humble opinion, the Dark Green is a base colour, and then a cloud pattern has been quickly applied over the top, the light colour you see on the underside of the front idlers is not in my opinion paint, its dried mud and dirt.
I also think to do the picture justice, accuracy should be thrown out the window, and the shade of Green used should be very dark, maintaining a fairly stark contrast between the base colour and the camo.
Fantastic picture of a T-55, still one of my fav piccy's,
Kharkov
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 03:01 AM UTC
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Thanks for the comments everyone.
@Dave: see you in February. The Atlanta Club should hopefully have quite a few T-55's by then!
@Ciro: Thanks for the photos and link. I ignored the tow hook inaccuracy. I'll see what I can come up with for the fuel line connectors. As far as the exhaust hole, I've seen that, but I'm not exactly sure how to get a very neatly rectangular hole in that area without making it look bad, so for now, I've ignored it.
I'm excited about getting some paint on this guy.
The Exhaust Vent Hole can be done by simply drilling 2 small holes and then joining those 2 holes with a very sharp knife, the ends can be left a little rounded as some T-55's seem to have slightly rounded ends to the vent hole, and others seem to have a rectangular hole.
If you want rectangular as in the picture Ciro posted (Czech Version), then square off with a sharp blade tip.
Wakemeup
Joined: September 02, 2006
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 03:05 AM UTC
The Northern Alliance T-55 at the top of the topic is a Soviet T-55 production so it has a solid green base over the red primer.
That said,the green base changes his shade for various reasons...
light at the time of photo,climatic condition,type of paint,colour of paint ,age,manteinance,type of camera,and so on.....
Afghan forces repainted it (the tank in the photo)and they did this type of camo,sometimes it was obtained with the application of the blu/grey stripes and sometimes it has even a new layer of green.
If you see tanks that are in the afghan teathre you can see all type green shades.You can also see other types of camo and the original camouflage of the local warlords.
Now you need to think wich is the best way to obtain what you see in the photo.
IMHO it's not so necessary to get a FS colour of or a precise application of colours.You need to get that look.
Just my two cents.
Ciro
That said,the green base changes his shade for various reasons...
light at the time of photo,climatic condition,type of paint,colour of paint ,age,manteinance,type of camera,and so on.....
Afghan forces repainted it (the tank in the photo)and they did this type of camo,sometimes it was obtained with the application of the blu/grey stripes and sometimes it has even a new layer of green.
If you see tanks that are in the afghan teathre you can see all type green shades.You can also see other types of camo and the original camouflage of the local warlords.
Now you need to think wich is the best way to obtain what you see in the photo.
IMHO it's not so necessary to get a FS colour of or a precise application of colours.You need to get that look.
Just my two cents.
Ciro
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 04:02 AM UTC
At least to me, it seems like a definitely different green on the inside of the loader's hatch. I'm taking that as the original soviet green. From there, they painted the other colors. At least that's my current interpretation.
I've found a couple other photos with this paint job, and they're much sunnier conditions. This photo really changes the hues of the colors into much 'greyer' colors. They seem quite vivid in the other photos, especially the lighter color which is much more green. I'll think I'll be attempting something in between the two. I'll post a few pictures tonight if I get a chance.
I've found a couple other photos with this paint job, and they're much sunnier conditions. This photo really changes the hues of the colors into much 'greyer' colors. They seem quite vivid in the other photos, especially the lighter color which is much more green. I'll think I'll be attempting something in between the two. I'll post a few pictures tonight if I get a chance.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 04:05 AM UTC
Maybe you've already seen but anyway there are two threads about Russian wrecks lost in Afganistan
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/159924&page=1
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/159937
Many thanks to Mke Podplesky to have taken those incrediblty interesting pictures
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/159924&page=1
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/159937
Many thanks to Mke Podplesky to have taken those incrediblty interesting pictures
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 04:23 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThanks for the comments everyone.
@Dave: see you in February. The Atlanta Club should hopefully have quite a few T-55's by then!
@Ciro: Thanks for the photos and link. I ignored the tow hook inaccuracy. I'll see what I can come up with for the fuel line connectors. As far as the exhaust hole, I've seen that, but I'm not exactly sure how to get a very neatly rectangular hole in that area without making it look bad, so for now, I've ignored it.
I'm excited about getting some paint on this guy.
The Exhaust Vent Hole can be done by simply drilling 2 small holes and then joining those 2 holes with a very sharp knife, the ends can be left a little rounded as some T-55's seem to have slightly rounded ends to the vent hole, and others seem to have a rectangular hole.
If you want rectangular as in the picture Ciro posted (Czech Version), then square off with a sharp blade tip.
I'll give it a try Matt. Thanks.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 04:36 AM UTC
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:02 AM UTC
In Ciro's photo of the engine deck, it appears to be Tamiya dark green 2 or MM dark green. I am sure that Afghani forces used whatever green paint they had available. I've been preaching "available paint" for some time. We are too set on FS colors. Most militaries used whatever shade of paint they had available, at the time. Of course, your washes and filters are going to affect the top coat anyway. Pick a dark green you like the looks of and go from there.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:21 AM UTC
I'm not interested in the exact colors and FS numbers. However, what I'm saying is that in photos of the tank I'm modeling, the lighting is throwing off the colors quite a bit and I plan on taking that into account as far as my own color mixes.
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:33 AM UTC
Tamiya Black Green and JN Grey.
Kharkov
Joined: April 09, 2011
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:47 AM UTC
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I'm not interested in the exact colors and FS numbers. However, what I'm saying is that in photos of the tank I'm modeling, the lighting is throwing off the colors quite a bit and I plan on taking that into account as far as my own color mixes.
You are exactly right, the lighting, or to be exact the lack of lighting, due to it being a very overcast day is throwing off the colours, and its that one single feature that makes that photo such a fantastic picture.
The contrast between light and dark, made even stronger by the snow drift on the fender is what makes it a perfect subject.
Accuracy is not important now, FS numbers are pointless, the hunt is on for that gray overcast day.
Replicate the day, not some colour chart nonsense that has no meaning or bearing in any way to that T-55 resting in its grave.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 07:21 AM UTC
Thanks Matt. Of course, I'm modeling mine to be near it's end... not actually sitting in it's grave... yet.
Tamiya Black Green lightened with Field Grey is my thought on the dark color. The lighter color, I may push it slightly more green than the photo. One of the lighter neutral greys, probably a little field grey, and then a touch of yellow-green or something to brighten it up.
Of course, the landscape also dictates a pretty heavy layer of caked on dirt and dust.
Tamiya Black Green lightened with Field Grey is my thought on the dark color. The lighter color, I may push it slightly more green than the photo. One of the lighter neutral greys, probably a little field grey, and then a touch of yellow-green or something to brighten it up.
Of course, the landscape also dictates a pretty heavy layer of caked on dirt and dust.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 03:58 PM UTC
So here are some photos of what I believe are tanks painted in similar schemes, but in brighter light...
BBD468
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 03:01 AM UTC
Hi Jesse,
Those northern alliance t-55's are sweet looking tanks. looking forward to your paint job. question? Who's the HOT CHICK in the bottom left pic! Shes a looker!
Gary
Those northern alliance t-55's are sweet looking tanks. looking forward to your paint job. question? Who's the HOT CHICK in the bottom left pic! Shes a looker!
Gary
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 03:05 AM UTC
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Hi Jesse,
Those northern alliance t-55's are sweet looking tanks. looking forward to your paint job. question? Who's the HOT CHICK in the bottom left pic! Shes a looker!
Gary
Seriously.... look at those ankles...
Tojo72
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 03:21 AM UTC
Unbelievable detail,really taking a build to the next level.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 03:36 AM UTC
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Unbelievable detail,really taking a build to the next level.
Glad you like it Anthony. But there's certainly other builds on this forum that make mine look like a toy. Props to THOSE guys.
BBD468
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 04:56 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextHi Jesse,
Those northern alliance t-55's are sweet looking tanks. looking forward to your paint job. question? Who's the HOT CHICK in the bottom left pic! Shes a looker!
Gary
Seriously.... look at those ankles...
Yep! Jesse your right! the ankles killed it for me.
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