started with my Pz1a - just a couple of steps through on the gun. Replaced the kit barrel with the RB after market one - very nice. and started on the gun housing...
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robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, March 04, 2013 - 07:38 PM UTC
some nice progress coming through...
started with my Pz1a - just a couple of steps through on the gun. Replaced the kit barrel with the RB after market one - very nice. and started on the gun housing...
started with my Pz1a - just a couple of steps through on the gun. Replaced the kit barrel with the RB after market one - very nice. and started on the gun housing...
darreng
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Monday, March 04, 2013 - 08:47 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextYes it does. And I've found a profile of the vehicle I want to do. But I don't know the diffrences between the FlaK 37 and 43.
Here's the profile, which is taken from a book which also includes decals.
Darren:
Hi! The Flak 36/37 and 37 were actually pretty much the same gun, and both were rather different from the later-war "improved" Flak 43. Flak 43 had a different rear-end and breach assembly (a gas-operated breach) and a different frame / mount, and a much different shield assembly, and a somewhat shorter barrel. It fired faster, and was much lighter and much cheaper to make, than the 36/37 types. All in all, a fairly different gun.
But the best way for most of us modelers to see these differences may be by looking at and comparing the modern Flak 36/37 kits to the current Flak 43 kits.... or pics of these and / or CAD diags of same.
I've toyed with the idea of getting one of those flak-track kits such as you are working - it's a cool-looking monster and my understanding is that there are options in the build... but each time I look at it, I glance back into my "office" and see the pile (stash)! This straightens me out right away
I'll be watching the build and waiting to see what you end up with! PS: There is a nice RB models metal barrel for this gun...
Bob
Thank you Bob. But as I can't afford aftermarket it will be strictly oob. And are there any kits of the FlaK 43, as I can't find any online.
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 01:31 AM UTC
Keith, enjoy your trip. I wish that I can say the same. Our 25 year old son still lives with us. I'm semi retiring this Nov, and he's still here!!
Joel
Joel
PantherF
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 02:04 AM UTC
YIKES! I thought WE had it bad. Our soon to be 24 year old daughter is still with us, even though I feel I have done all I can to motivate, encourage and shove my foot... she's still here.
My wife is the weakest link though. She never had a life like I had growing up so she is one not to push things.
But I am. Still pushing. 
~ Jeff
My wife is the weakest link though. She never had a life like I had growing up so she is one not to push things.
But I am.
Still pushing. ~ Jeff
Raulito
Joined: January 24, 2013
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 01:26 PM UTC
I have to mention that my soon to be 28 years old son, (and soon to be an engineer), IS still living with mom and dad. I am seriously considering reverse engineering, moving with my wife and left him (and his girlfriend) the house.
Just kidding. Now a question regarding my project.
I was studying what´s in the box and I notice a total absence of communication hardware, be it in the form of a radio or signal flags. Dragon´s Pz.Kpfw. IA (#6356) has both, radio and signal flags but the Dragon´s Flakpanzer (#6577) has neither.
Since it was a conversion produced in 1941 and his life spans up to early 1943 we can assume the flags were already in little or not in use, if so, did this vehicle carries radio equipment? Noteworthy the kit includes the radio batteries between the transmission and the main batteries box.
@Bob
Thanks a lot for the info, I think I´ll choose the plain panzergray scheme with the usual Russian dust and dirt. All the info I´ve found states that the 614. Fla.Abteilung was completely disbanded on the Stalingrad front early in 1943 and the remaining Flakpanzers were destroyed or abandoned.
I can´t figure out how the Germans manage to paint some of those little vehicles dunkengelb in the middle of this horrendous battle.
If you have further info on that I´ll be very grateful.
Regards.
Raul
Just kidding
. Now a question regarding my project.I was studying what´s in the box and I notice a total absence of communication hardware, be it in the form of a radio or signal flags. Dragon´s Pz.Kpfw. IA (#6356) has both, radio and signal flags but the Dragon´s Flakpanzer (#6577) has neither.
Since it was a conversion produced in 1941 and his life spans up to early 1943 we can assume the flags were already in little or not in use, if so, did this vehicle carries radio equipment? Noteworthy the kit includes the radio batteries between the transmission and the main batteries box.
@Bob
Thanks a lot for the info, I think I´ll choose the plain panzergray scheme with the usual Russian dust and dirt. All the info I´ve found states that the 614. Fla.Abteilung was completely disbanded on the Stalingrad front early in 1943 and the remaining Flakpanzers were destroyed or abandoned.
I can´t figure out how the Germans manage to paint some of those little vehicles dunkengelb in the middle of this horrendous battle.
If you have further info on that I´ll be very grateful.
Regards.
Raul
zontar
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 01:31 PM UTC
Joel: Thanks for the comments. Enjoy your Chaffee. That kit is certainly on my wishlist. How is it for tiny, finicky pieces?
The Duster has its share. I've salvaged 4 or 5 from the carpet monster, only completely losing the hatch mount so far. There's some careful cleanup required too on some of the smaller pieces, and some are ridiculously small. The instructions have been pretty good and assembly has been not bad. There was an error correction sheet in the box for 4 of the steps. Let me know if you didn't get it and I'll forward to you.
John: Thanks! Nice AA kit you've got there.
Robert: Good start. Nice looking barrel.
Happy Modeling, -zon
The Duster has its share. I've salvaged 4 or 5 from the carpet monster, only completely losing the hatch mount so far. There's some careful cleanup required too on some of the smaller pieces, and some are ridiculously small. The instructions have been pretty good and assembly has been not bad. There was an error correction sheet in the box for 4 of the steps. Let me know if you didn't get it and I'll forward to you.
John: Thanks! Nice AA kit you've got there.
Robert: Good start. Nice looking barrel.
Happy Modeling, -zon
panzerbob01
Joined: March 06, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 03:44 PM UTC
Raul;
Hi! Flakpanzer IA may not have had any radio sets - I don't recollect ever seeing an aerial (antenna) on one in any picture, and there was probably no actual area or space for either a radio or operator. The Dragon KIT does retain the battery box - but that would really be for the engine starter and lights, best of my knowledge. The original Dragon kit did have a radio, I think - sort of stuck on the hull-wall or maybe under the driver's front glacis plate? I don't THINK that this reflects reality, but is merely some baggage left in the kit due to using sprues from prior kits...
All that said, I won't claim to KNOW whether it did have a radio or not!
As this flakpanzer was built on a modified 1A hull.... I would guess that the original signal-flag rack (tubes) may have been removed during the substantial rebuild process. Much as all the MG-13 mag racks and stuff went out the door. While those flags MAY have been slightly useful still in tanks in 1941, they wouldn't likely have been of much use to the flakpanzer crew, who likely did not need to signal other tanks to coordinate movement, etc.
I don't think that there is much actual photo record available of the flakpanzer 1A hull interior - I would guess from what I've read that some ammo boxes would have been stuffed down into that hull on the right side, but... the references seem to agree that there was not much room inside nor much extra carry-capacity beyond the gun... even the gun crew mostly rode on the following "Laube" supply / support panzer.
Bob
Hi! Flakpanzer IA may not have had any radio sets - I don't recollect ever seeing an aerial (antenna) on one in any picture, and there was probably no actual area or space for either a radio or operator. The Dragon KIT does retain the battery box - but that would really be for the engine starter and lights, best of my knowledge. The original Dragon kit did have a radio, I think - sort of stuck on the hull-wall or maybe under the driver's front glacis plate? I don't THINK that this reflects reality, but is merely some baggage left in the kit due to using sprues from prior kits...
All that said, I won't claim to KNOW whether it did have a radio or not!
As this flakpanzer was built on a modified 1A hull.... I would guess that the original signal-flag rack (tubes) may have been removed during the substantial rebuild process. Much as all the MG-13 mag racks and stuff went out the door. While those flags MAY have been slightly useful still in tanks in 1941, they wouldn't likely have been of much use to the flakpanzer crew, who likely did not need to signal other tanks to coordinate movement, etc.
I don't think that there is much actual photo record available of the flakpanzer 1A hull interior - I would guess from what I've read that some ammo boxes would have been stuffed down into that hull on the right side, but... the references seem to agree that there was not much room inside nor much extra carry-capacity beyond the gun... even the gun crew mostly rode on the following "Laube" supply / support panzer.
Bob
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 07:26 PM UTC
Raul & Bob - I am also building the flakpanzer 1a (Tristar version) so this discussion is useful - was tempted to add signal flag tubes as I had seen then on a Pz1a build but I think what Bob says make sense so wont bother....
my latest update - gun done. Must say Tristar have done a good job. I had a few confusing moments interpreting the instructions but that was me not them. Gone for the travel position as the gun has to be built either up or down...
my latest update - gun done. Must say Tristar have done a good job. I had a few confusing moments interpreting the instructions but that was me not them. Gone for the travel position as the gun has to be built either up or down...
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 02:05 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Joel: Thanks for the comments. Enjoy your Chaffee. That kit is certainly on my wishlist. How is it for tiny, finicky pieces?
The Duster has its share. I've salvaged 4 or 5 from the carpet monster, only completely losing the hatch mount so far. There's some careful cleanup required too on some of the smaller pieces, and some are ridiculously small. The instructions have been pretty good and assembly has been not bad. There was an error correction sheet in the box for 4 of the steps. Let me know if you didn't get it and I'll forward to you.
John: Thanks! Nice AA kit you've got there.
Robert: Good start. Nice looking barrel.
Happy Modeling, -zon
Zon, the Chaffee has quite a lot of small, delicate pieces. Part fit is generally very good. Lower hull suspension is a real bear. Since I have no use a workable suspension, I leveled & squared it up, then glued everything in place.
Thanks for the offer of the correction sheet. Haven't even cracked open the box yet.
Joel
Raulito
Joined: January 24, 2013
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 03:35 AM UTC
@Bob
I agree with your comments. In certain areas the only thing we can do is speculate due to the scarce info available. It makes sense not to have a radio or signal flags, but still wondering about the two little batteries between the transmission and the main batteries box. Thank you very much for taking the time to response.
@Robert
Nice build you have there! Hope mine goes as fine as yours. I’ll start with the interior tonight. Not too much spare time till the summer ends so it’s going to be a slow start.
Regards.
Raul
I agree with your comments. In certain areas the only thing we can do is speculate due to the scarce info available. It makes sense not to have a radio or signal flags, but still wondering about the two little batteries between the transmission and the main batteries box. Thank you very much for taking the time to response.
@Robert
Nice build you have there! Hope mine goes as fine as yours. I’ll start with the interior tonight. Not too much spare time till the summer ends so it’s going to be a slow start.
Regards.
Raul
darreng
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 05:03 AM UTC
Good progress Robert.
I know I haven't started my first build yet. But I had this in the stash also with a little a/m packed in the box too!
Mum bought me the a/m for Christmas.
I know I haven't started my first build yet. But I had this in the stash also with a little a/m packed in the box too!
Mum bought me the a/m for Christmas.
darreng
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 08:51 AM UTC
So at last some progress on the Sd.Kfz.7/2. And the chassis is under way.
DaGreatQueeg
Joined: August 01, 2005
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 03:21 PM UTC
My "old school" entry. Going to build this from my obsolete stash as an out-of-the box build. No fancy tracks and PE, just with glue and paint as Mr Tamiya (god bless 'im) intended ...... partly cause I can't afford to get any parts for it. I do admit some metal barrels would be nice though 
Brent
Brent
panzerbob01
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 03:35 PM UTC
Robert;
Hi! The Tristar kit... It is about the ONE Tristar Pz IA kit I have not looked at! It was reputed to have some issues that were more apparent than did the Dragon (original) kit of the flak-1, so I went D. I have done (and way enjoyed) the other Tristar 1A kits - in fact I'm a regular fan of these (I have a stack of them
) and think the Tristar later interior stuff to be grand. That said, I would say that if Tristar did NOT include any flag-tube rack... they may have actually been on the ball! They did include that bit in their Pz IA w/ interior - correctly so, as it was a feature of the regular IA. So, if not present in the flak-1 kit, they MAY have been doing that bit right.
@Raul: I think those "additional batteries" included in the D's kit could just be "stuff on borrowed sprues". The original Pz 1A had one battery (in a box) in the right-front. That one should still be present in the flak-1. There were almost certainly no radios, so there would be no use for any additional batteries, best I could guess. I would suggest skipping them (and that is what I'll do when I put the "Premium" kit together). This presuming that these ARE "batteries". I have not opened this kit and so don't really KNOW - it seems possible that D MAY have put in some other bits more-or-less for that radio (there were a syncromotor and power-supply and a cable junction-box and a loud-speaker associated with German tank radios, and while these bits are not often provided in Dragon kits, there is always a chance - specially if the vehicle didn't actually have a radio! Sorry! Just having a little fun at D's expense - I don't really know what-all D has provided in the kit, so...!). But I would still leave all of that stuff out!
Bob
Hi! The Tristar kit... It is about the ONE Tristar Pz IA kit I have not looked at! It was reputed to have some issues that were more apparent than did the Dragon (original) kit of the flak-1, so I went D. I have done (and way enjoyed) the other Tristar 1A kits - in fact I'm a regular fan of these (I have a stack of them
) and think the Tristar later interior stuff to be grand. That said, I would say that if Tristar did NOT include any flag-tube rack... they may have actually been on the ball! They did include that bit in their Pz IA w/ interior - correctly so, as it was a feature of the regular IA. So, if not present in the flak-1 kit, they MAY have been doing that bit right. @Raul: I think those "additional batteries" included in the D's kit could just be "stuff on borrowed sprues". The original Pz 1A had one battery (in a box) in the right-front. That one should still be present in the flak-1. There were almost certainly no radios, so there would be no use for any additional batteries, best I could guess. I would suggest skipping them (and that is what I'll do when I put the "Premium" kit together). This presuming that these ARE "batteries". I have not opened this kit and so don't really KNOW - it seems possible that D MAY have put in some other bits more-or-less for that radio (there were a syncromotor and power-supply and a cable junction-box and a loud-speaker associated with German tank radios, and while these bits are not often provided in Dragon kits, there is always a chance - specially if the vehicle didn't actually have a radio!
Sorry! Just having a little fun at D's expense - I don't really know what-all D has provided in the kit, so...!). But I would still leave all of that stuff out!Bob
BBD468
Joined: March 08, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 04:47 PM UTC
Wow, this thing is of too a strong start...Great kits from everyone! Im sooo hoping to be able to start my entry by this weekend sometime. See you all then.
Gary
Gary
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 08:43 PM UTC
thanks all for the words of encouragement - have done some work on the trailer now - need to leave the main build a week and a bit as work is taking me away from home a bit next week and dont want to start the "fun stuff" an dthen have to leave it....
@Bob - I have Dragon parts to replace some of the superstructure. The fenders are a vast improvement on the Tristar ones - if about 2mm shorter (hoping not putting the mudguards on will hide that but will see when I come to build) - not sure on the other parts of the superstructure but do like the look of the original interior Tristar give - need the right paint for it but think I am going to enjoy my first interior....
@Bob - I have Dragon parts to replace some of the superstructure. The fenders are a vast improvement on the Tristar ones - if about 2mm shorter (hoping not putting the mudguards on will hide that but will see when I come to build) - not sure on the other parts of the superstructure but do like the look of the original interior Tristar give - need the right paint for it but think I am going to enjoy my first interior....
darreng
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 10:47 PM UTC
The chassis so far. The wheels are not glued in place yet.
PantherF
Joined: June 10, 2005
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 11:44 PM UTC
You're right Gary, there are some heavy hitters here ready to slam some plastic (and metal) together!
And Brent. Old school, new school... that will STILL put together a fine result.
~ Jeff
And Brent. Old school, new school... that will STILL put together a fine result.
~ Jeff
darreng
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 - 08:56 AM UTC
Not much done this afternoon. Only the engine.
Am I right in thinking that the engine was the same colour as the vehicle colour?
Am I right in thinking that the engine was the same colour as the vehicle colour?
SuperSandaas
Joined: October 23, 2012
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Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 - 02:21 PM UTC
I plan to build the Tamiya German Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagen in 1:35. (Kit No. 35101) An old kit that has been knocking about since I used to build models in my teens 20 odd years ago. All the sprues are still in their sealed plastic covers, but I'm not sure the decals are still useable. Gonna post a picture next week, when I've finished my current projects on the worktable.
Joel_W
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 - 12:59 AM UTC
Eirik, decals will last a very long time if sealed so that moisture more then anything else doesn't get to them. But 20 years is a long, long time. I would start to look for back up decals just in case. Besides, the decals 20 years ago were much thicker. You would be most likely better off with new ones by now.
Joel
Joel
asmodeuss
Joined: November 19, 2011
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 - 01:44 AM UTC
Ho boy! Lots of good start here! I`ll be joining soon with The Boggsman 
Phil.
Phil.
Snorri23
Joined: March 25, 2010
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 - 02:00 AM UTC
Most engines were painted black, or a very dark grey.
Pytagoras
Joined: December 03, 2012
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 - 03:49 AM UTC
I haven't heard back from Dragon Care regarding the missing upper hull in my Coelian-kit, so I'm awaiting a response on that before I start building.
In the mean time, the decals for the build has arrived! The set includes decals for a Panther in '45, so I'll be using those for this particular build.
In the mean time, the decals for the build has arrived! The set includes decals for a Panther in '45, so I'll be using those for this particular build.
woltersk
Joined: May 27, 2003
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2013 - 05:24 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Keith, enjoy your trip. I wish that I can say the same. Our 25 year old son still lives with us. I'm semi retiring this Nov, and he's still here!!
Joel
Quoted Text
YIKES! I thought WE had it bad. Our soon to be 24 year old daughter is still with us, even though I feel I have done all I can to motivate, encourage and shove my foot... she's still here.
Gents,
You crack me up! My daughter has been a dream since she was born....which is one reason we stopped at one child! But, you should count your blessings, things could be worse, you could not have any kind of relationship with your kid(s).
We're at the airport, ready to head out. This was the last bit of work I did on it the other night:
A humble beginning...
Keith
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