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Trumpeter BMP-1 in depth build BLOG
Jacques
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 07:48 AM UTC
I will be doing a in depth BLOG of this kit. I will be pointing out many of the small detail changes needed. This will focus more on building and fixes rather than painting and finishing.
Jurjen
Groningen, Netherlands
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 07:56 AM UTC
Looking forward to it!
Logan
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 08:03 AM UTC
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I will be doing a in depth BLOG of this kit. I will be pointing out many of the small detail changes needed. This will focus more on building and fixes rather than painting and finishing.
Hi
Good :-)
Tom
grunt136mike
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 08:05 AM UTC
Hi JD;
CANT, WAIT !!
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
CHEERS; MIKE.
CANT, WAIT !!
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
CHEERS; MIKE.
chefchris
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 09:51 AM UTC
just got mine.... what a nice kit. I'll start by fixing the exhaust outlet.
Chris
Chris
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 10:45 AM UTC
bring out the hanky's
J is gonna make some people renew their stash
J is gonna make some people renew their stash
acebatau
Colorado, United States
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 02:44 PM UTC
Hi, Jacques
Will be following this!
And Happy New Year, everybody!
Will be following this!
And Happy New Year, everybody!
DerGeist
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 02:46 PM UTC
Just picked up mine yesterday, will be waiting intently for your BLOG. The kit passed my first test though. It looks like a BMP, even more so than the ESCI kit already on my shelf. I'm interested to see what little changes should be made.
Erik
Erik
bison126
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 11:54 PM UTC
We're all waiting for your BLOG and the lessons to learn from it
Olivier
Olivier
Jacques
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 07:31 AM UTC
Aw guys, you make me blush.
The first thing I will tell you is that the older BMP-1 kits (DML and Esci) are actually closer to 1/32 scale. So all those conversions you have for those old BMP-1 kits will not really work on the Trumpeter kit.
The Trumpeter kit is as close to 1/35 as I can measure compared with the blueprints that I have.
The tracks are fabulous. I will NOT be replacing them.
My review is submitted, so look for that soon.
The first thing I will tell you is that the older BMP-1 kits (DML and Esci) are actually closer to 1/32 scale. So all those conversions you have for those old BMP-1 kits will not really work on the Trumpeter kit.
The Trumpeter kit is as close to 1/35 as I can measure compared with the blueprints that I have.
The tracks are fabulous. I will NOT be replacing them.
My review is submitted, so look for that soon.
grunt136mike
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 05:33 PM UTC
Hi Guys;
SUGAR, OSCAR. ALPHA, BRAVO,
NOW THATS JUST WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR
MIKE.
SUGAR, OSCAR. ALPHA, BRAVO,
NOW THATS JUST WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR
MIKE.
Jacques
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 06:33 PM UTC
At least it is correct scale now. And it keeps the older kits relevant for the older conversions.
Barfing kids kept me from building tonight. Tomorrow holds my hope...so long as I don't get sick.
Barfing kids kept me from building tonight. Tomorrow holds my hope...so long as I don't get sick.
Jacques
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 06:34 PM UTC
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SUGAR, OSCAR. ALPHA, BRAVO,
Shouldn't that be Sierra Oscar Alpha Bravo?
;)
panamadan
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 06:42 PM UTC
yes.
grunt136mike
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2012 - 04:02 AM UTC
((NUTS))
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2012 - 07:35 AM UTC
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((NUTS))
LOL
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2012 - 07:36 AM UTC
(As posted elsewhere, BY ME, on the internet...)
Here are the KIT measurements I have taken with my calipers. I would guess accuracy to within +/- .1mm
Turret:
- Top 33.6
- Bottom diameter 44mm
- Height 8mm
Width - 84mm
Length - 192.5mm
Idler Diameter - 17mm
Sprocket (with teeth) diameter - 19.1mm
Road wheel diameter- 17mm
Road wheel thickness (rubber portion) - 3.6mm
Rear Deck Hatch - 14.1mm x 22.9mm
Turret hatch width - 17.7mm
Hull periscope (part F6) - 4.2mm wide x 1.8mm tall
Driver hatch diameter - 15.2mm
Commander's Hatch width - 12 mm
Rear Doors - 25.9mm wide x 27.3mm height
Rear fender/flap - 9.5mm wide
Main Deck engine grate - 18.8mm long x 15.8mm wide
Side exhaust grate - 7.0mm wide x 19.1mm long
Track pad (without the end connector) - 6.0mm wide x 3.9mm long
Using the drawings in Wydawnictwo's BMP-1 book #312, the model seems to match very close to true 1/35. It matches the hull length, width listed from several sources perfectly for 1/35.
Here are the KIT measurements I have taken with my calipers. I would guess accuracy to within +/- .1mm
Turret:
- Top 33.6
- Bottom diameter 44mm
- Height 8mm
Width - 84mm
Length - 192.5mm
Idler Diameter - 17mm
Sprocket (with teeth) diameter - 19.1mm
Road wheel diameter- 17mm
Road wheel thickness (rubber portion) - 3.6mm
Rear Deck Hatch - 14.1mm x 22.9mm
Turret hatch width - 17.7mm
Hull periscope (part F6) - 4.2mm wide x 1.8mm tall
Driver hatch diameter - 15.2mm
Commander's Hatch width - 12 mm
Rear Doors - 25.9mm wide x 27.3mm height
Rear fender/flap - 9.5mm wide
Main Deck engine grate - 18.8mm long x 15.8mm wide
Side exhaust grate - 7.0mm wide x 19.1mm long
Track pad (without the end connector) - 6.0mm wide x 3.9mm long
Using the drawings in Wydawnictwo's BMP-1 book #312, the model seems to match very close to true 1/35. It matches the hull length, width listed from several sources perfectly for 1/35.
Logan
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:30 AM UTC
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The first thing I will tell you is that the older BMP-1 kits (DML and Esci) are actually closer to 1/32 scale. So all those conversions you have for those old BMP-1 kits will not really work on the Trumpeter kit.
The Trumpeter kit is as close to 1/35 as I can measure compared with the blueprints that I have.
Hi
So the three SP Designs convs I have are destined for the local landfill ... is that what you are telling me :-(
T
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2012 - 09:25 AM UTC
No, I am telling you that taking those conversions and trying to convert them to the Trumpeter kit will most likely not work well. Keep them for the flood of DML or ESCI kits that will flood the market now and build them as 1/32 scale kits. Or else sell them to others who don't mind. Not so sad...and think of all those people with the resin tracks and running gear!
On a side note, Sergej is looking over the Trumpeter kit right now.
On a side note, Sergej is looking over the Trumpeter kit right now.
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So the three SP Designs convs I have are destined for the local landfill ... is that what you are telling me :-(
T
Logan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 01:47 PM UTC
LOL
I am one of those guys ... spent hours trying to fix the old DML kit and now have a -1 and -2 for sale ... LOL
Will include a an SP upgrade if anyone is interested .. hahah
T
I am one of those guys ... spent hours trying to fix the old DML kit and now have a -1 and -2 for sale ... LOL
Will include a an SP upgrade if anyone is interested .. hahah
T
DerGeist
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 03:10 PM UTC
I hate it that you're right Jacques. I just compared my Trump BMP-1 to my Esci and I took this picture.
SEDimmick
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 03:14 PM UTC
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I hate it that you're right Jacques. I just compared my Trump BMP-1 to my Esci and I took this picture.
damn the Esci kit looks huge next to it!
panamadan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 03:19 PM UTC
that's the little know BMP+ for normal sized crewman/infantry!
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 05:19 AM UTC
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that's the little know BMP+ for normal sized crewman/infantry!
That is what happens when McDonald's comes to your country...supersize me Sasha!
Seriously, I never thought the DML / Esci kit was that out of scale until I really started looking over the Trumpeter offering. Wow.
Jacques
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2013 - 04:11 AM UTC