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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 10:29 PM UTC
Matthew no need to panic yet mate, we have still have the official 5 weeks plus the usual extra time that all campaigns can't do without .

Alex most of the NVA stuff was scrapped, a couple made into museums and a few into private hands. There is not a lot of point in trying to buy a tank in Germany, the laws on ownership are ridiculous and I want bother going into them now.
As to your camo suggestion, well we will have to wait til next time round


Cam a lovely build there buddy , the sandbags
on the fuel cells just take the biscuit . Don't forget to get some pics in the gallery:

https://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php/cat/28824

Ryan as I have said to Matthew, we still have plenty of time left. So please don't quit on us yet





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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 10:58 PM UTC

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Matthew no need to panic yet mate, we have still have the official 5 weeks plus the usual extra time that all campaigns can't do without .

Paul


5 weeks... I'm guessing my 2nd build won't make it.
This week I'm all in with Soviet plastic... JSU for the Stalin Campaign, T-62 for this one and Yak-3 at Yak's Aeroscale Camp.

Have to work on the T-62 tracks soon. Finish all hull parts this month and start working on the turret next month.

Hope I can keep up with the plan !!
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2014 - 05:22 AM UTC
Paul,
I found an article on it last night. Most were scrapped, sold, or sent to the range as they did not want to try to incorporate the Soviet equipment in to the new German Army. Realistically, I couldn't see them holding on to the T-34s up to the T55s are frontline vehicles. I think they used some T72s for training and they kept some BMPs for the former NVA based units. Tank crews were retrained to use Leos.

It could be neat to see a T72 dressed in NATO colors.
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2014 - 05:28 AM UTC

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Paul,
I found an article on it last night. Most were scrapped, sold, or sent to the range as they did not want to try to incorporate the Soviet equipment in to the new German Army. Realistically, I couldn't see them holding on to the T-34s up to the T55s are frontline vehicles. I think they used some T72s for training and they kept some BMPs for the former NVA based units. Tank crews were retrained to use Leos.

It could be neat to see a T72 dressed in NATO colors.


A very cool "What If" situation.. with a Leo in Soviet markings too...
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC
Well, now that the build is pretty much complete, apart from the endless rounds of filters, washes, decals, chipping etc, etc. I thought that it would be interesting to compare an original kit from the Trumpeter T54/55 range with my chopped down version to see just how much I had taken off to get its overall dimensions within a gnat’s whisker of Tamiya’s much praised offering.

I think that you might agree the old girl needed quite a nip and tuck…




Let's hope that my trip to Saumur in a couple of weeks time doesn't expose a load of glaring errors!

Have a happy tanking weekend all.
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014 - 06:02 PM UTC
Folks I'm seeing alot of great builds nearing compleation and being finished. My build is nearly done had a bit of a slump for awhile.

Question for any Israeli Turan experts. Did the coax protrude out of the turret? I have plenty of museum pictures but have seen very few in action photos. I would think if they had 7.62 cal 1919s on the turret they would also use the coax version.

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 05:51 AM UTC
This is the part I hate the most,
Cleaning up tracks, remove them from sprues, and I admire Trumpeter for not having any reference on how many links per side, that's really helpful.

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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 08:35 AM UTC
Jon a nice idea there now we can appreciate your work to the full


Thomas glad you're still here As to your question
I have no idea. I added the PKT 7,62-mm-MG on the assumption that it would remain in use what ever.

John that is all part of the fun my friend . Also it would be rather boring if the instructions told us everything, wouldn't it








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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 10:49 AM UTC
Paul, the Soviet coax fires 7.62X54 Russian the same round that the Mosin Nagant fires. They don't mess with things that work. I believe the Israelies rechambered or bought new 1919s cahambered for 7.62X51 NATO. So I'm betting they replaced all Soviet Coax MGs with 1919s and later MAG-58s, or as we Yank Tankers called it the M240.

I'm just wondering if some coax barrel should be sticking out.

I'm pretty familiar with the rounds as a retired Tanker and gun collector. The Mosin kicks like a mule.

John, frequent beers between runs may ease the stress of indy links.

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 11:23 AM UTC
Hi All,

Man what fantastic work you are all doing!! Really makes me want to throw the toys out of the cot that I am unable to try & reach the high standards you are all setting!!

I will sure be using all the awesome gallery photos as inspritation when I can get to model again in a few more months!!

Oh well least I can still down load future projects!! Hint hint Paul!!

Cheers Mike
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 - 03:38 PM UTC

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Folks I'm seeing alot of great builds nearing compleation and being finished. My build is nearly done had a bit of a slump for awhile.

Question for any Israeli Turan experts. Did the coax protrude out of the turret? I have plenty of museum pictures but have seen very few in action photos. I would think if they had 7.62 cal 1919s on the turret they would also use the coax version.

Tom


Likewise! Have got to a stalled point with my T-55 I need to get over, perhaps this evening....

Tom, I can check my book on Lenanese Tirans and see if I can get an answer. Not sure if the co-ax was replaced on these (main armament usually wasn't) but I imagine a few would have been. Will get back to you (remind me if you don't hear from me!)

James
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 05:02 PM UTC
Been a couple of weeks since I posted any progress but I'm battling along!

In the weathering stages now.....







As usual I have posted pictures and details of what I've been doing on my BLOG. Have been working on something very different for my build since taking these pics which is ongoing and I will explain more in a future post......

James
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:09 AM UTC
Wow...nice work guys.

I've spent the past few days working on Kermit.

Dark wash and drybrush black on the rubber for the side skirts. It's supposed to look like the surface paint has been scratched and the rubber beneath is showing through.



Drybrush two lighter shades of green, steel, and added a wash. Decals. At this point it's a basically done.






It's a pretty day out so I decided to wrap this one up by taking advantage of the natural light. And by the yellow tinged layer on the hood of my truck, it's also the start of pollen season.








I particularly like that last photo...how the shadows cast.

And with that...Kermit is done. I already uploaded two pictures in the gallery. I really enjoyed this build and I like how my tank turned out. It's now sitting on a shelf next to a Leopard 2. Lots of great work being done here and I am interested to see them finished.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:25 AM UTC
Mike my friend it's a shame you can't continue here , but there will be a #2 that I promise. One rule is for certain ,
all who built a T62 on this one must build a T55 on no. 2 and vice versa

Thomas I have been looking all over the net and must say, I am not even sure if there was a coax MG mounted at all .
I just can't find evidence of them whatsoever, and in retrospect
of the two 30's and 50 cal. on the outside would a coax be needed?
I hope someone else can shed some light on this


James she's looking real good there , just don't over do it


Alex a fine picture of Kermit there
Seriously you have made a cool build there , the fact that
you have taken the pics outside makes it even better. Thanks for playing with us and I hope to see you on #2







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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 08:34 AM UTC
Thanks Paul. t was a great campaign and I'm definitely in for part 2. It's way too earlier, but I'm getting the inspiration for some North Korean armor...maybe a Type 59.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:25 AM UTC
Very cool builds, terrific paintjobs.. I'm up for part 2, 3 and 4. No problem.

More tracks, left side is ready, right side.. not so much.

Will have to work on the turret soon otherwise I'll need an extension...

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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 04:03 AM UTC

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Very cool builds, terrific paintjobs.. I'm up for part 2, 3 and 4. No problem.

More tracks, left side is ready, right side.. not so much.

Will have to work on the turret soon otherwise I'll need an extension...



John nice to know that you will take part in further escapades of this type . You're doing fine there and if we need an extension, I think one of the campaigners has a good contact with an "Admin dude" , it should be no problem to get some extra time





Paul
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 04:24 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

Very cool builds, terrific paintjobs.. I'm up for part 2, 3 and 4. No problem.

More tracks, left side is ready, right side.. not so much.

Will have to work on the turret soon otherwise I'll need an extension...



John nice to know that you will take part in further escapades of this type . You're doing fine there and if we need an extension, I think one of the campaigners has a good contact with an "Admin dude" , it should be no problem to get some extra time





Paul


Good to know that you have the right contacts !!
Sure I'm in for more, 2 Tirans and 3 T-55 waiting in stash.
Also planning to get Trumpeter's Iraqi T-62's and Tiran 6.

Hoping to work some more on cleaning those links...
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 05:25 AM UTC
Thomas I have been looking all over the net and must say, I am not even sure if there was a coax MG mounted at all .
I just can't find evidence of them whatsoever, and in retrospect
of the two 30's and 50 cal. on the outside would a coax be needed?
I hope someone else can shed some light on this
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Paul, thanks for your help, Since there is no such thing as over kill in combat, I have to believe they would install a coax. It is fired from under armor and is the most accurate MG in a tank. A good gunner can hit individual infantry.
The M1919 is shorter then the Soviet weapon it replaced so it may not extend past the appature. So I will continue the build, though a Browning muzzle poking out would look cool I will go without one.

My build is done on with painting. I have been on hold due to high humidity in my basement.

Tom






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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 06:40 AM UTC

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Paul, thanks for your help, Since there is no such thing as over kill in combat, I have to believe they would install a coax. It is fired from under armor and is the most accurate MG in a tank. A good gunner can hit individual infantry.
The M1919 is shorter then the Soviet weapon it replaced so it may not extend past the appature. So I will continue the build, though a Browning muzzle poking out would look cool I will go without one.

My build is done on with painting. I have been on hold due to high humidity in my basement.

Tom


Tom I was a gunner / driver / operator on the Chieftain Mk8-9 / Challenger 1 tank, I sure know how accurate the coax is. An opening up 7,62 GPMG is something I would personally steer well clear of, if I was on the receiving side.
I think it is a real shame that we can't find out what the facts are. I even wrote a mail to an Israeli museum, without any answer. Maybe there's an answer on the IDF modelling site.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of your build







Paul
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 07:06 AM UTC
[Tom I was a gunner / driver / operator on the Chieftain Mk8-9 / Challenger 1 tank, I sure know how accurate the coax is. An opening up 7,62 GPMG is something I would personally steer well clear of, if I was on the receiving side.
I think it is a real shame that we can't find out what the facts are. I even wrote a mail to an Israeli museum, without any answer. Maybe there's an answer on the IDF modelling site.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of your build




Paul, I was "lucky" enough to crew 5 different tanks, from driver to commander a good coax is a thing of beauty, having lived through the M73/219 piece of junk. have a few shots of my Turan pre paint. I do not build it all then paint.




Tom


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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 09:16 AM UTC
That's it.



I can now start building on side of the tracks...
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2014 - 12:22 PM UTC
Thomas,

I've checked all my pics and cannot find any evidence of the co-ax barrel protruding. The only cases are Lebanese captured T-55's that have been 'tiranised' and retain the Soviet armament.

In head on photos I can see a co-ax in several pics, and this looks to be a browning barrel given the barrel thickness, in which case it isn't too far back from the opening in the turret and I'd say would be close to being flush to this given the fact you can see it clearly in the pics.

So answer - yes 1919's as a co-ax, not protruding but not recessed too far either.
I've learned something here so thanks for that, good luck with the rest of the build, she's looking great so far.

James
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 06:28 AM UTC
Tracks,






I will go for the other side next, then paint the missing details, and the rest of the tracks before adding the fenders.
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 08:45 AM UTC
Well I’ve done a little bit of work on my T-54 this weekend. I’ve done some oil fading on the turret along with some rusting along the barrel and mantle. Not 100% sure if I like how the mantle turned out, I’m trying to match some of the photos from Angola that shows this part of the turret more rusted than anywhere else on the tank. I’ve also started the base it will sit on; still have some more vegetation to add. Eventually the tank will sit in a shallow stream of water that will that will come later.




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