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'Lost Horizon' Diorama (update)
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 07:24 PM UTC
Another quick late-night update:

I think building up the epaulettes really helped define the details again. Archer shoulder boards are applied to the Tank Commander and riders. I'm happy to say, the transfers worked remarkably well this time.



I just couldn't resist taking a quick shot at this angle.





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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2014 - 08:38 PM UTC

Hi Mike,

these transfers look great! I love the angle of the photo too!! And those little abrasions on the turret!!! Just right IMHO.

If I may just add my 2c worth..I would perhaps differentiate the colour of those caps a little. They were bleached, not produced like that, so there must have been a certain variation in tones, don't you think!

Cheers

Romain



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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 02:40 AM UTC
I agree about the color variation . Small point but it makes a difference. The thing that caught my eye were the shoulder tabs. They look way better than before and really enhance your figures.
Problem is though,that the white outline was for Infantry. Tankers wore pink. Plus,they are all privates,even the vehicle commander?
Small things,just didn't know how involved you wanted to get.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 04:28 AM UTC
Hi mike ,

of course you've past the test !hehehehehe

Allow me to make a small suggestion;

If you paint the shoulder tabs of the tank commander only in white , he will look like a second lieutenant or Leutnant...and maybe one golden pip on each shoulder tab will give him the rank of Oberleutnant or first lieutenant and if you are really in great shape you can make him Hauptmann or Captain by giving him two golden pips on his shoulder tabs.

And one of the two other crew members you can paint a white V on the upper part of his left sleeve. It is up to you mike , it's your diorama and it looks very promising already, keep it coming !

Cheers

Kurt

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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 04:55 AM UTC

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Problem is though,that the white outline was for Infantry. Tankers wore pink. J




and I thought it was the lighting!!

And I agree about the fact that a tank commander would certainly not be a private!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 05:24 AM UTC
Thanks guys!

@ Romain. Cap color variation makes sense. I'm thinking different shades of white, detail painting, sweat stains ... ?

@ Jerry. You're right, these are infantry shoulder boards that I intended for upgrading another figure set. However, this was a good decal application test. I think I found the correct one's for the tanker on the Archer site (pink outline).

@ All. This is where I need tons of guidance. Aside from shoulder boards, what else is needed on DAK uniforms … eagle insignias, shoulder patches, sleeve bands … ? I guess my big question is, just who are these guys? ... what ranks, what duties, etc.?

Tank figures
1. The guy in the hatch is the Tank Commander — got that one out of the way!
2. LH tank rider w/greatcoat: rank/duty unknown
3. RH rider: rank/duty unknown

DMAG figures: I'm assuming artillery unit.
1. Driver: rank unknown
2. Front passenger w/MP-40: rank/duty unknown
3. Four riders in back: gun crew, ranks unknown

I would like to get this somewhat correct, so many thanks in advance for your input.

And just so you know what you're dealing with here: I’ve never been in the military — called for the draft during Vietnam but I was classified 4F. Guess you could say my poor eyesight kept me alive!

—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 05:44 AM UTC
Kurt, Thanks for the input!

I don't think I could paint those details, so I've been perusing the Archer website; they've actually got a lot of DAK available. It's just a matter my of sorting out who's who and what's what.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 06:00 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks guys!

@ Romain. Cap color variation makes sense. I'm thinking different shades of white, detail painting, sweat stains ... ?

@ Jerry. You're right, these are infantry shoulder boards that I intended for upgrading another figure set. However, this was a good decal application test. I think I found the correct one's for the tanker on the Archer site (pink outline).

@ All. This is where I need tons of guidance. Aside from shoulder boards, what else is needed on DAK uniforms … eagle insignias, shoulder patches, sleeve bands … ? I guess my big question is, just who are these guys? ... what ranks, what duties, etc.?

Tank figures
1. The guy in the hatch is the Tank Commander — got that one out of the way!
2. LH tank rider w/greatcoat: rank/duty unknown
3. RH rider: rank/duty unknown

DMAG figures: I'm assuming artillery unit.
1. Driver: rank unknown
2. Front passenger w/MP-40: rank/duty unknown
3. Four riders in back: gun crew, ranks unknown

I would like to get this somewhat correct, so many thanks in advance for your input.

And just so you know what you're dealing with here: I’ve never been in the military — called for the draft during Vietnam but I was classified 4F. Guess you could say my poor eyesight kept me alive!

—mike



Before i make a diorama i search the internet for useful information related to the subject.

For example i goog'led this ;

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWorld_War_II_German_Army_ranks_and_insignia&ei=yg1ZVK7_M6yM7AaP_4HIDg&usg=AFQjCNGjwNoFU0bAlRFgalNdyjPaebIu_w&sig2=4NFQG_ZOz3tfJCH-lagn_A

Google is for me the answer to all my questions about WWOII subjects...

On the other hand i agree with mike that criticism should be given in a positive way , meaning if there's anything wrong about a specific subject don't forget to add the solution to it !


Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 06:24 AM UTC
Hi Mike,

You making progress, look forward to further developments.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 07:32 AM UTC
Ouch,
OK,maybe I should have suggested looking up stuff on the interwebs?
Seems like I am not getting any slack lately.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 07:55 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Ouch,
OK,maybe I should have suggested looking up stuff on the interwebs?
Seems like I am not getting any slack lately.
J



Hey Jerry!

As a former rock climber, here's plenty of "slack" buddy!

I'm okay with your style of response, in fact, I prefer it. I already Google my ass off on the interweb but wading through pages and pages of text and images doesn't always cut it for me. Sometimes, I just need a quick and dirty answer (Here ya' go, this is how it should be done.) so I can get off of the "Time Eraser" and back to the workbench.

All input is welcome, otherwise, I'd be all like ... Eric

—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 08:57 AM UTC
Here is where I would repeat my earlier tip. The Afika Korps also used a lot of European color shoulder boards and patches as the brown colored tropical stuff was not always available.
At this point in the war the Germans still had an ample supply of sergeants and above to use as vehicle commanders. That is why I mentioned this. Later on,it was pretty common to see senior privates in charge of tanks!
The cuff band was kind of rare but the eagle above the pocket was always used. The greatcoat guy you have probably would have no rank or badges on. Shoulder boards and sleeve rank and service badges were always also worn. Hope this helps.
KJ
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 12:15 PM UTC
Workbench report:

For the last couple of days, I spent most of my bench time slowly picking away at the figures and I just needed to get away from them for a while.

So today, back to the armor. I toned-down the base colors on the Pz III and DMAG with Vallejo Brown Wash (76.513). I was sweating this for months but I believe I achieved the color I was after ... WHEW! Inevitably, the color will shift again slightly when I apply the Matt Varnish but I'm familiar with what to expect at that point.







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Posted: Monday, November 10, 2014 - 09:53 PM UTC
You're Diorama is looking really good. Love the detail and you are spot on!! Can't wait to see the final product!

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 03:31 AM UTC
@ Jerry, Thanks ... every bit helps.

@ Mike, Thanks for the compliment Mike!

—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 03:57 AM UTC
Hello fellow modelers. Here's another installment.

DMAG: I added four kind of baggage rails onto the storage box to provide a place for the crew to hang their helmets.






Pz III: Two helmets have been added to the rear edge of the storage bin on the turret. In addition, I added an ID flag to the front of the turret.

I got the idea from a screen shot from a WWII film on YouTube.











I still need to weather the flag a bit.

Later,
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 12:21 PM UTC


Yeah, the helmets are on board!!! Well done!!

The flag is a super idea, but if you attach it on one side (and that's a brilliant rendition of the photo!), you must fixate it on the other side as well. Otherwise it will curl up sideways and the "effect" is gone. The recognition is difficult in the desert anyway, as the dust produced by a column is so "dominating" that you hardly see any details!

Perhaps you could put something heavy on the flag...(and maybe show a little rope dangling from one corner while you are at it ??!)

Thanks for keeping us posted!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 01:35 PM UTC
Hi Romain,

Great suggestions, thank you!

It's a bit hard to see but the flag is actually attached to the RH turret handle — just tucked underneath for now — still shaping the flag. And like you said, rope ends are needed ... and another hand to hold the array of tweezers for tying and gluing them!

Funny that you mentioned adding weight on top. I'm in the process of getting the flag's creases to hold down and an anvil would do the trick right about now. I will add some stowage on top eventually — need to go stowage shopping for both vehicles soon.

And some small details that I've been working on which are not visible in these photos: One of the helmets on the back of the Pz III has a chin-strap flapping in the wind and I'm shaping the bucket tie-down ends to flap as well.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 07:23 PM UTC
Lots of work done since last time. Big improvements as well. You are heading in the right direction.
J
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Posted: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 03:29 AM UTC

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... You are heading in the right direction.



Thanks Jerry!

You and the others out there are a crucial components in my "guidance system."

—mike
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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 01:20 AM UTC
Hi Mike,

Good progress, coming alone well. I like the sweat stained caps and the helmets are looking good.

The figures look a bit shiny, but if you use some mig dust you should be able to tone them down and add some varied dust tones to the clothing. Some dark sweat and shadow tones around the collars and webbing would also help.

The figures and vehicles should work really well together.

Cheers

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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 02:08 AM UTC

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The figures look a bit shiny, but if you use some mig dust you should be able to tone them down and add some varied dust tones to the clothing. Some dark sweat and shadow tones around the collars and webbing would also help.



Thanks for checking in Al!

The figures are WIP. One thing I will not stand for at troop inspection is shiny clothing — no shine when I'm through with them! I'm just dry-fitting the figures in the vehicles for now. In addition, their heads are not permanently affixed yet which should explain the "giraffe-neck" appearance on some.

Speaking of sweat ... when it comes to painting figures, there's plenty of that to go around here! I'm slooooowly trying to improve those skills.

As always, thank you for the feedback!

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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 02:52 AM UTC
Hi mike ,

looks real good , i like the way you hanged the helmets on the storage box. The straps on the helmets are top-notch ! Well done sir !

Looking forward to further developments !

Kurt
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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 03:58 AM UTC
Thanks Kurt! Glad you liked the chin-straps. I have an easy formula for those and rifle slings now — copy paper. What I really like is they remain fairly flexible after painting and they act sort of like scale leather!


Here's another small update.

Weathered the flag with Vallejo Model Wash, European Dust (76.523) and added rope ends to the three tie-downs. Added a rope to the bucket and added a chin-strap detail to one of the helmets on the turret. The effect I'm after is flapping in the wind in order to introduce movement into the scene. At the moment, I'm undecided about the final length of the flapping rope ends.



Helmet chin-strap detail.



Turret perm! I inserted the foil to prevent bleed-through while adding wash to the flag — just in case. And of course, I used a hairdryer!







Jabo eye-view!



Hope you like!

—mike
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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2014 - 10:15 AM UTC
Hi Mike,

The tank looks excellent, really great work. Just the right amount of wear and tear and not over done as is often the case. Nice dusty/faded flag too.

Terrific.

Al