Armor/AFV: Allied - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 08:08 AM UTC

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Now I am wondering: I thought that one of the items for the Germans to distinguish themselves from the real US troopers was a blue shawl. First of all, am I right?
And if so, are you going to use it?



Paul, thanks for the comments. I'm not familiar with blue shaw, but I will research that. If true, I love the idea of adding that element. Maybe the blue scarf is strewn on the ground, with his helmet, rifle, etc. will help add some additional detail, and pop of color!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 08:29 AM UTC
From Wikipedia, so you know it's the truth

"The problem of recognition by their own forces was crucial, and they were to identify themselves by various methods: displaying a small yellow triangle at the rear of their vehicles; tanks keeping their guns pointing in the nine o' clock position; troops wearing pink or blue scarves and removing their helmets; and flashes from a blue or red torch at night."
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 11:45 PM UTC
Well than: your color touch!

Looking forward to see it grow.

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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2015 - 04:53 AM UTC
Evening gents,

Started working on the armaments for the figs on the ground. The GI guarding the prisoner will be holding an M1 Thompson (or M1928A1, will have to look closer when back at the bench). The prisoner's M1 Garand will be on the ground, and the other GI inspecting the prisoner's belongings will have his M1 slung over his shoulder.

Rather than do the one piece foil or tape sling, I wanted to better replicate the somewhat complex nature of the multipart real 1:1 scale sling, like this:

 photo M1Sling.jpg

The Dragon Gen3 GI sets include a PE fret that includes some very well detailed, multi-part slings for the M1, plus some helmet straps (not so good). The problem with these brass PE slings are: 1) Unless you anneal the brass (to soften it), it's hard to get the brass to have a realistic "drape" to it. 2) There is no good connection point on plastic M1 stock. (The Gen3 Garands and Thompson have the clip/buckle molded onto the stock, but just glueing the end of the brass sling to these would not provide a very good bond, and would also not be that realistic.)

So, to get closer to the real thing, I cut the plastic clips off the Gen3 Garand. Next, I drilled some really small holes (my smallest bit basically) at each place on the stock where one of these clips go: 1 on the butt, one at the end of the wood stock, and one close to the barrel end. Using the Aber set of buckles & straps, I cutoff 3 single loop buckles. Instead of trimming both ends where the buckle was connected to the fret, I left one nub. This remaining nub would act as a connection point into the micro hole I drilled before, creating a solid, positive connection.

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Photo research shows that the clip by the barrel was rarely used, and these things appear to have some back-to-front "swivel" to them, so I bent the front one back.

Now, if you're wondering, couldn't I just anneal the Dragon PE slings, and thread them through my new "stronger" connection points? Well, that would be great, but the PE slings are larger than my clips. And, if I went with bigger clips to accommodate the PE slings, frankly, they would look ridiculously large. In the end, I think the Dragon slings are slightly over scale.

So, it's on to crafting some lead foil replacement slings. So, based on our family and friend's love of the vino, I pretty much have an endless supply of lead foil from wine bottles. And yes, some vintners still use real lead foil... I start out out by flattening the foil on a piece of glass, using a section of 3/4" copper pipe (left over from my other hobby: home remodeling):

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It's amazing how malleable this stuff is. Any wrinkles just get completely smoothed out. Here's the flattened piece of lead foil:

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Onto to slicing up the foil for the sling. The target width is just slightly less than the Dragon PE, and my new custom width will fit nicely into my new clips on the Garand.

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Using both the Dragon PE as a guide for length, along with the ref pics, I make the new slings. Note that there are a couple types of slings, both webbing style and leather. The leather ones seems to be more common. One detail that Dragon did particular well on their PE slings were the locking clips on the end of each leather piece. These basically engaged the double row of holes on the end of the longer section of sling. I simply trimmed these pieces off the PE part and glued them to my new lead foil sling. Now, unfortunately, I could not devise a good way to replicate the holes on the sling (like the PE part), basically due to the fact that there's not a lot of width to work with on my new lead foil sling. So, I'm simply suppressing my severe case of AMS on this particular detail. Here's the work in progress, with some identifying text to help make up for letting you down on the hole thing...

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And, after threading the slings and adding some additional details, here's the final results:

 photo M1Sling-Complete.jpg

So, in the end, not a ton of progress today, but slowly making it through the details. Tomorrow looks to be a miserable day, so I'll be hunkered down in the workshop trying to wrap these mini-dudes up!!!
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2015 - 05:43 AM UTC

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So, based on our family and friend's love of the vino, I pretty much have an endless supply of lead foil from wine bottles. And yes, some vintners still use real lead foil...



I really need to upgrade from "corner wine!" ... hiccup!

Your build just keeps getting better and better! ... Makes my hands shake, my arthritis flare up and my eyes cross just thinking of that level of detail. Thanks for sharing the process.

Well done Sir!

—mike
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 08:00 AM UTC
Alright guys, need some thoughts on helmet options for my mini men. Trying to decide on which M1 helmet option to use on my Hornet replacement heads. I've read where others only use Tamiya on Hornet heads. But honestly, I'm torn. The right size seems to be somewhere in the middle. Here's a side-by-side comparison on one of my dudes.

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Thoughts?
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 08:16 AM UTC
I'm no expert, but the Dragon looks too large. Of course, that could also be an optical illusion based on the difference in color between the grey Dragon helm and the olive Tamiya helm.

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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 12:51 PM UTC
Nice work Jeff, just jumped on this blog and am very impressed.
I am in the middle of building a Dragon M4 Halftrack which I want to winter whitewash, Have all the components to do the hairspray technique, so will follow your lead. watching
Les
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 08:43 PM UTC
Hard to say about the helmet size. I like the Dragon ones but only from certain sets like the 101st in Bastogne set. Really,any way you go is OK as the helmets actually came in 3 or 4 sizes. I know this as my large noggin fits the xl size,which,of course,is hard to find.
Plus,people come in different sizes as well. So,whatever floats your boat here will work.
The most common mistake I see with modelers is not getting the brain bucket to sit low enough on the head.
Nice sling BTW. I had to go through that with my last GI vignette.
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 09:25 PM UTC
Really great work and great photgraphy too!..love the idea with the Hornet Heads, that took a bit of time to create that graphic on the box lid.

Regards,

Pete
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 03:24 AM UTC

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helmets actually came in 3 or 4 sizes. I know this as my large noggin fits the xl size,which,of course,is hard to find.



Hey Jerry, I always read that the M1 only came in one size? But like you said, I'm going with what "looks right" but still not sure on a decision.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 03:28 AM UTC

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that took a bit of time to create that graphic on the box lid.



Thanks Peter! The graphic was not too bad. Historex actually has a PDF that shows every headset laid out like that.

https://www.historexagents.com/pdf/HornetHeads.pdf

I just opened the PDF in Adobe Illustrator and grabbed the photos of my headsets.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 - 12:58 AM UTC
I never noticed that Hornet's U.S. heads are all 54mm and not 1/35. Anyone know why? Can they be used on 1/35 figures?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 - 01:21 AM UTC
http://www.bnamodelworld.com/hornet?page=7

The first seven in that lineup show US heads in 1/35th, I'm guessing the PDF only shows a selection of what is available.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 - 01:41 AM UTC
Jeff, my preference has been the Tamiya helmets. The Dragon helmets seem to be way too high in the crown for my tastes. Whichever brand you choose, just be consistent and don't mix brands between your figures. That way they will all look the same.
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 07:15 AM UTC
Thanks for the input on the M1 Steel Pots. Decided to go the Tamiya route.

Figs, minus the helmets, are ready for primer.

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Decided to try a new primer, Mr Finishing Surfacer 1500. I usually use the Tamiya Grey Fine Primer in the rattle can. I've always had good luck with that, but I hate the extreme amount of overspray and accompanying noxious smell. I tried decanting it, then airbrushing, but that was kind of messy and wasteful. I was looking into Mr Surfacer 1200 when I discovered this newer Mr Finishing product. I also picked up their dedicated Lacquer Thinner as well as some of their Leveling Thinner which has a drying retardant in it to help in dryer climates, or in my case spraying in the dead of winter.

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The stuff worked brilliantly, and airbrushed easily. What I like about primers like this, verses say acrylic surface primers like AK, Ammo, and Vellejo make is that they sand easily, which is good when you user your primer coat to identify any perfections, which I did after the first coat, fixed them, and sprayed a final coat. With acrylic primers, I find them very hard to sand since they form a film like coating that tends to peel rather than sand.

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I always start with flesh first. Since I was doing 7 figures, I decided to airbrush the base flesh color. I'm using Beige Red, which is part of the Vallejo face painting set. Base is on, working the highlights/shading next.

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Cheers.
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Posted: Sunday, February 22, 2015 - 06:05 PM UTC
great work - really enjoying picking up tips & tricks - I need to do some straps so will be drikning wine to get the foil.... or GU: desserts are good sources of foil....
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 10:14 AM UTC
Alright, it's time for wood shop! A quick diversion from painting figures.... So, another hobby of mine is designing and building furniture. As a result, I really enjoy building my vignette/diorama bases from scratch, and I like putting as much effort into them as I do the rest of the model. So, I needed to get this base started sooner rather than later so i could get the groundwork going.

Using some scrap MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard) left over from a furniture project, I began by building up a bulky base.

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I wanted to use an exotic wood species to add some character to the base. Buying solid wood "blanks" in an exotic species can get expensive. So instead, I used some Rosewood veneer leftover from a side table project. To adhere the veneer to the MDF core, I used a type of adhesive made for veneering.

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You spread this adhesive down on both surfaces. Once dry you simply take a standard clothes iron and rub down the veneer on all sides of the MDF core.

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Once dry, I trimmed the excess. Here's the Rosewood veneered base with the first coat of satin Poly. I will use about 5 coats of poly in general.

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Enjoy!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 11:06 AM UTC
Great info on how the base block is veneered Jeff, in fact lots on info going on here in general ... great stuff.

cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 07:27 PM UTC
Very very cool. Where did you get the Rosewood? That is getting pretty rare I think.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 07:27 AM UTC

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So, another hobby of mine is designing and building furniture.



Wait...ANOTHER hobby? You mean you're allowed to have more than one?????

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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 08:20 PM UTC
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Wait...ANOTHER hobby? You mean you're allowed to have more than one?????




Hah, that's right Don, but don't tell my wife!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 08:23 PM UTC

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Very very cool. Where did you get the Rosewood? That is getting pretty rare I think.
J



Thanks Jerry!

Hard to get solid Rosewood, but veneer can still be found. I get all my veneer stock and supplies from here: http://www.veneersupplies.com

This guy always gets some very interesting veneers in. Lots of great how to on his site too, if you like that sort of thing!
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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 12:28 AM UTC
Alright, think I'm finally done with the woodworking portion of the base! I like to create a indentation where the base material will go. This creates a nice finished edge around the base material and it gives a place for the base material to sit. I make a template out of MDF and then use my router with a flush trimming template bit to "mortise" out all the material from the base.

 photo RoutingBase.jpg

This indentation also allows me to add some fiberglass mesh tape (used for drywall) to help the base material "grab" on to the base. It also creates a more monolithic substrate that will eliminate the possibility of cracking in the base material. Overkill? Probably, but as I've mentioned before, I approach my bases like a home project: I want it to last a lifetime!

 photo FiberGlassReinforcement.jpg

And here's the finished base, including the bottom base which is also MDF painted in a black satin spray paint. The top indentation also got another coat of sealer to prevent the moisture in the base material from being sucked into the very porous MDF.

 photo FinalBase.jpg

Still figuring out what the name of this vignette will be. When I decide, I'll have a plaque made to put on the side.

Now, promise, I'll get back to real modelling! Sorry for the quick departure over to high school shop class!
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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 01:05 AM UTC
That base is just another level of cool! Very nice work!

—mike