I have the feeling before a new Bergepanther on the market we will see at least 4 or 5 BergeE-100, BergeE-75, BergeMaus,BergeRatte...

Legality does not matter to the Illuminati of all things miniature. They have decreed there shall be no kit and Italeri has the rights forever (even though ICM has a kit, but it shall not be named or considered in any discussion on Bergepanther models)

It other words, this whole Italeri rights thing is tongue-in-cheek. If a company wanted to do one they'd call it something that skirts the whole "rights" thing like "1/4 ton utility vehicle" for jeep(tm). But they don't because recovery vehicles DO NOT SELL. How many M48 and M60 you see for every M88 built? How many Shermans for every M32?

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Legality does not matter to the Illuminati of all things miniature. They have decreed there shall be no kit and Italeri has the rights forever (even though ICM has a kit, but it shall not be named or considered in any discussion on Bergepanther models)

It other words, this whole Italeri rights thing is tongue-in-cheek. If a company wanted to do one they'd call it something that skirts the whole "rights" thing like "1/4 ton utility vehicle" for jeep(tm). But they don't because recovery vehicles DO NOT SELL. How many M48 and M60 you see for every M88 built? How many Shermans for every M32?

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Well, it was brought up as the major argument of he who must not be named (we are made to believe some eminence of the modelling world), so nothing "tongue-in-cheek". And the work-around you mention with the "Jeep" would pertain to trademark law, but I don't believe anyone holds valid trademark rights in "Bergepanther"...

G'day Carlos

I have asked the same question on numerous occasions, and once received a reply from a well known modeller who for reasons of privacy will remain nameless. Just take it from me that he is well known and should know what he's talking about.

That reply was to the effect that he was at a meeting of modelling manufacturers some years ago when that topic came up, and was advised that given the lack of success of the Italeri version (hardly surprising given that there's not much of it which is of any use), and the fact that Italeri own the rights to the Bergepanther for quite a few years yet, there is very little likelihood of any other companies investing in the necessary time and effort to produce a new kit.

However, the picture below, which is from Tony Greenland's book "Panzer Modelling" would seem to indicate that there is still hope - that master must be around somewhere.



Regards

Rob

As yet another lawyer (attorney to Americans! Too many in one thread right!), it is not in any way possible for a model producer like Italeri to assert exclusive rights over a third party production (except to the extent of their particular representation e.g. the form of their model i.e. composition sprues etc). In other words, any other model company is free to develop their own model of the subject.

G'day Carlos

I imagine Kurt will be along shortly to laugh at the enduring nature of his prank post ...

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G'day Carlos

I have asked the same question on numerous occasions, and once received a reply from a well known modeller who for reasons of privacy will remain nameless. Just take it from me that he is well known and should know what he's talking about.

That reply was to the effect that he was at a meeting of modelling manufacturers some years ago when that topic came up, and was advised that given the lack of success of the Italeri version (hardly surprising given that there's not much of it which is of any use), and the fact that Italeri own the rights to the Bergepanther for quite a few years yet, there is very little likelihood of any other companies investing in the necessary time and effort to produce a new kit.

However, the picture below, which is from Tony Greenland's book "Panzer Modelling" would seem to indicate that there is still hope - that master must be around somewhere.



Regards

Rob

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Ummm ... that was a joke post from Kurt Laughlin a couple of years ago, here ...

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/250436&page=1

about half way down the page. He made a satirical post about some shadowy model cartel illumanti that meets in secret etc to carve up rights to model subjects. Was very funny at the time. It seems that some posters, such as yourself, did not spot the obvious joke and have taken it literally - reference this thread for example:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/251513

As yet another lawyer (attorney to Americans! Too many in one thread right!), it is not in any way possible for a model producer like Italeri to assert exclusive rights over a third party production (except to the extent of their particular representation e.g. the form of their model i.e. composition sprues etc). In other words, any other model company is free to develop their own model of the subject.

I imagine Kurt will be along shortly to laugh at the enduring nature of his prank post ...

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G'day Carlos

I have asked the same question on numerous occasions, and once received a reply from a well known modeller who for reasons of privacy will remain nameless. Just take it from me that he is well known and should know what he's talking about.

That reply was to the effect that he was at a meeting of modelling manufacturers some years ago when that topic came up, and was advised that given the lack of success of the Italeri version (hardly surprising given that there's not much of it which is of any use), and the fact that Italeri own the rights to the Bergepanther for quite a few years yet, there is very little likelihood of any other companies investing in the necessary time and effort to produce a new kit.

However, the picture below, which is from Tony Greenland's book "Panzer Modelling" would seem to indicate that there is still hope - that master must be around somewhere.



Regards

Rob

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Ummm ... that was a joke post from Kurt Laughlin a couple of years ago, here ...

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/250436&page=1

about half way down the page. He made a satirical post about some shadowy model cartel illumanti that meets in secret etc to carve up rights to model subjects. Was very funny at the time. It seems that some posters, such as yourself, did not spot the obvious joke and have taken it literally - reference this thread for example:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/251513

As yet another lawyer (attorney to Americans! Too many in one thread right!), it is not in any way possible for a model producer like Italeri to assert exclusive rights over a third party production (except to the extent of their particular representation e.g. the form of their model i.e. composition sprues etc). In other words, any other model company is free to develop their own model of the subject.

I imagine Kurt will be along shortly to laugh at the enduring nature of his prank post ...

Julian: Why do you think I dislike German WWII? I'm actually very much into these AFV's, but maybe I have trouble with communicating this in a proper english due to this not being my primary language, sorry. But thanks for bringing it to my attention, so I can try to improve my english skills for any future comments
Jacob

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Julian: Why do you think I dislike German WWII? I'm actually very much into these AFV's, but maybe I have trouble with communicating this in a proper english due to this not being my primary language, sorry. But thanks for bringing it to my attention, so I can try to improve my english skills for any future comments
Jacob

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It was Nick's quote above yours I was replying to but yours was copied as well lol

I suppose that there is one thin thread of hope that model manufacturers do actually listen to us, their customers from time to time.
We can but hope.

HA HA HA
Now that'S funny.
Jacob

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HA HA HA
Now that'S funny.
Jacob

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... especially if it is manufactured in China ....

Yeah, and it will snow here tomorrow after today's temperature of about 35C (that's about 94F for you non-metric lot)