Post some pics brother, I might get some ideas from it. Also, it probably could help me come up with some tricks for some of my stuff.

~Chip

Don't be nervous, what could happen.....The "worst" thing that can happen is that you receive good tips to improve things.

Guys, I DON'T think this diorama has to be under censorship, but we DO have to find a way to prevent younger modelers from walking right into bloodscenes without a warning or supervision. That's site policy and I'll obey that rule. I have not seen the pics so far, so it's also guessing what will be in them for me too. My point of view : Show all the pics, but let's find a way to protect the younger modelers. Don't worry, we'll provide all the pics to ya.

Badman you could have uploaded the pics into your own gallery rather than posting them in the open forum. Then only those brave enough to take a peek would actually go into your gallery

Unfortunately, spilled blood is a part of war, whether it's civilian or military.
My suggestion is that if you are comfortable in showing it, then do it.
Just remember that certain wounds will bleed out more than others and a body that has been almost totally destroyed really won't show much, but the surrounding scenery will have bits and pieces of the victim.
I remember seeing a picture once of a poor soul who had been under the track of a tank. Very little blood, and even less of a body left.

@:) "Slaps forehead" Duh! That's a really good idea and so obvious. I didn't even think about that. I think this would be the best option though.

I think you should submit the pictures to the staff members and let them decide if they can be shown here.

I love bloody dios and would of course like to see yours

Just to let everyone know Badman and I have talked via PM's and I am awaiting the images.

Eagle and I have been discussing a few option we have as far as offing the pictures to everyone.
We want to fair to Badman and not diss-allow the images at the same time we want to be sure of what we have and create an adiquate, acceptable method of offering the images

Stay tuned.

Scott,
Wouldn't a simple warning in the message title be enough? There is abslolutely no way to hide the images from our younger more impressionable members. If they wanna see them trust me they will. Short of an age verification service its almost impossible to keep them out. Just a few thoughts, I hope I didn't sound too negative as that is not my intention. I'm a father too and I wouldnt let my daughter see them if I didnt first approve.
Cheers,
Bryan

Do we spatter blood against a wall and call it truth? Dioramas are limited artforms. Do you want to make a statement that attracts the envy of teenage Goths or do you envision that a kid trying to learn about how to do build this or that and then is being confronted with the torn limbs or waste of war? Blood and war go hand in hand? Then how do you depict it? I've seen dioramas that go way beyond the amount of blood a human can carry. Blood and gore does not win a catagory. The single plus in IPMS is the concern for a well built model. Dioramas tell stories. What story are you trying to tell? In a single large diorama are you trying to capture all facets of a battle or human reaction in war? We will all build what we want but will it be taken seriously or will the average viewer look at your dio and determine that the builder has serious thrill issues?

i agreee, and i think Badman has already stated that this is not what the diorama is about, but it is a feature of the diorama. here is the quote:




i think that if you cant handle a diorama with blood in it, then you shouldnt look at the pictures, simple as that, most of us are mature adults or mature young adults at that, lets keep it that way!

this hobby like all is a form of art, one prime thing art is supposed to do is to envoke emotions, and to make people question what they are looking at. What is lost with young people is the goryness, the savegry (sorry bad spelling, just got done driving for ten hours) of war. With some its potrayed as a fun ole time with huge stteel bohemeths called tanks, or guns that look mean. but what is lost is the true fact that these things were created not for fun, not for there looks, but for the simple fact that they needed wepons that could kill people eficently, and with little cost to their side. I say post the pics with a warning. Let the truth of war be seen. the link posted earlyer almost brought tears to my eyes, exactly what the creator was probaby intending, not to get people to see it and laugh, or to go ohh and ahhh. Its the emotions provoked by the peice that was what was saught after

I think that the pics must be posted. This is a military modelling site, and that means that all of us like modelling military subjects and in our research of them we are acostumed to see real war pics, and generally war pics have what is common in the war: blood and dead.
And boy, I would be very pleased viewing a 22 year old dio

I've sent 6 pics to Slodder and am awaiting word from him on them.

The soldiers are about complete but there is a ton of work left to do ... the tanks, the buildings (mainly the interiors), the park area, the rubble and so on ... so when you see the pics ... please understand it's as preliminary as you can get.




I'm not looking to win an award ... therefore I'm not looking for plus points from the IPMS and I'm not sure my model building doesn't come close to the rest of the work I've seen displayed here (I'm not blowing smoke ...) and I don't know any teenage Goths ... so I guess I'm not looking to inspire them ...

No ... after reading and seeing all that I could on what took place early September in Holland in 1944 in Armhem ... this is the only way I can depict it ... When I showed the pictures to some guys I work with one of them took offense to the medics scene and wondered why I would do such a thing (it's not like there are guts hanging out but it is graphic in it's own right) ... I told him that it was the statement I had to make ...

This diorama probably will never leave my basement and will most likely never be seen outside of my family and friends ... but building dioramas is my creative release and I'm tired of doing it in a vacuum ... who better to share it with then you all.

Well now that you have everyone's interest you better post them!!!

I´m with Shermies

Come on, man, post the pics!!!

OK,

I posted 4 preliminary pictures of of my diorama, WHOA MOHAMMED in the members gallery ... I have a couple of shots of the overall layout that I'll include tonight.

Hope you think they're worth viewing.

To paraphrase Saint Shep Paine, a diorama is like a photograph, and I'm sure we've all seen worse photographs in the press concerning the war in the Middle East. In fact, much of that is front page news!! We've all seen movies like Saving Private Ryan and Braveheart, and watched series like A Band of Brothers - being military history enthusiasts, how could we not? I am sure this dio is no worse than what has been depicted in the afore mentioned programs. Show us the pics!

Here is my response to this after reviewing the images and talking with Eagle.


Craig is working on an historically accurate representation of the Market Garden operation. He has posted his images in his gallery. Please note that while these images are not bad two of them may be a bit sensative. Please consider this before you view his gallery.

I think you've done a great job. The surgery scene might be a tad bloody, but after seeing reenactments of amputations of civil war era it tends to get messy.

I don't think its un realistic nor excessive, and if people take offense they really need to rethink what really happened and that war isnt as glorious as it seams.

Well now that I've seen them I would say it's not worse than the D-Day dio that looked like the Saving Private Ryan scene. This bridge has a messy medical operation scene and a few badly busted up guys. The SPR D-Day dio had to busted up guys and rivers of blood on the beach and clouds of blood in the water.

Personally I think the operation scene was a little overdone. I think I would have used artistic license and done a bloody spot but with lots of splashes instead of lots of soaked up blood in the clothes.

I still would like to see more shots. Looks like a very interesting dio of the Red Devils' last stand

something i would change is the color of the blood. the amount you used is fine, maybe a little much in the operating room, but it looks like wine or grape juice bleeding from the soldiers. i would suggest a more burnt sienna color, more brown than purple. good luck with the dio.

think you did an amazing job, the surgery scene yes it does have blood but hey, hes amputating his leg...the figures came out very good, i like how none of them are in the same stance as someone else, there are a lot of stories going on in each picture, and adds excitement to the diorama, hope you continue to build more dioramas!

well done badman!

-mech

Nice work Badman. After viewing the prelim 4, I want to see more.
IMHO the amount, color, and texture of the blood is not as bad as you made it out to be, but better to err on the side of caution.
Are the vehicles in work now? May we see a preview of them too?

Well what I can say is that they are pics that represents a part of what the war is. I don´t think that there is too much blood in the surgery room, but I agree that the color of blood is a litle dark.
The poses of the figs are very good, Iike this dio. Want to see more pics.