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Posted: Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 03:56 AM UTC

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Man I LOVE Patton tanks. I very much would love to participate, but I am enrolled in the Flattop campaign and am undertaking an immense project with My Lexington conversion. The start time is the same and I anticipate soemthing in the vicinity of 4 months to complete it. If I have time left over, I'll pull something from the stash and participate in this one for sure. After all Georgie did go to VMI for a year.



You gotta join Steve - I'm thinking some wonderful models are going to come out of this one!

Gunnie
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Posted: Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 01:59 PM UTC
Count me in for this campaign. I've got an M26 Pershing that i was meaning to unpack from the box so this campaign will give me even more motivation.

This is going to be a great campaign.
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 05:23 PM UTC
I designed (well, tried at least) a campaign banner.

if someone could take the campaign banner I uploaded to the campaign's enlistment page and transform it to the right size for a personal banner I'll be grateful as it's not quite at the requested length and height ratio.

there is a campaign ribbon too, it's a simplified version of the banner.
due to problems with Armorama's upload server it doesnt show on the campaign's page, I hope this problem will be mended before the cmpaign is launched on the 1st of the new year.

happy Xmas, happy Hanuka, Happy new year to everybody and a have a great time building your Patton and Pershing family AFVs!!


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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:07 PM UTC
Well

I'm in with the Academy M48A5
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:33 PM UTC
Elad - don't worry. The launch of a Campaign has nothing to do with the Ribbon being uploaded. There's plenty of time to make that happen. It will get assigned to the Campaign Page in due time.

Model On!

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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:50 PM UTC
I'm in. I have several M47's to choose from along with a M60A1.

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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:53 PM UTC

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I'm in. I have several M47's to choose from along with a M60A1.

Chris "toadman" Hughes
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And - I'm gonna be bugging you about finishing one of them for this campaign too!

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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 12:01 AM UTC

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I'm in. I have several M47's to choose from along with a M60A1.

Chris "toadman" Hughes
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And - I'm gonna be bugging you about finishing one of them for this campaign too!

Gunnie


Heh, heh, heh! Hopefully I don't get bogged down doing a M47 or M48 CD instead.

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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 12:22 AM UTC

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Heh, heh, heh! Hopefully I don't get bogged down doing a M47 or M48 CD instead.



We've still got a good week before the Campaign Launches!

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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 12:43 AM UTC

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Heh, heh, heh! Hopefully I don't get bogged down doing a M47 or M48 CD instead.



We've still got a good week before the Campaign Launches!

Gunnie



Which is just the amount of time I need to complete another project.

I'll see about adding some additional M47, M48, and M60A1 pics to my site later this weekend to help folks out with their builds. In the meantime, I have some M26A1, M48, M60A1, M60A2 and Magach 3 pics already on my site. PrimePortal has a ton of Patton pics as well.

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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 04:58 AM UTC
Well, I signed up a little while ago but this will be my first campaign to participate in.

And, oh, so many Pattons in the stash to chose from:

M46 Patton - DML
M48A5 - Academy
M60 (A-nothin) AEF Turret with either a Tamiya or a old ESCI M60 Blazer chassis
M60A1 Rise w/Dozer Blade - Academy
M60A3 - Tamiya

Already completed:
T26E3 Pershing - DML
M48A3 - Tamiya
M60A2 - Tamiya (completed this back while y'all were kicking the idea of a campaign around....

I'm leaning towards the M60 conversion - but also maybe the M60A3 (for a different turret look... but would require a more complicated paint scheme I had planned for that one...)

Just finishing up a T72M1 this evening - may throw in a quick Sherman before next weekend's start on the Patton.

Looking forward to it!

later

cn


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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 05:17 PM UTC

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M60 (A-nothin) AEF Turret with either a Tamiya or a old ESCI M60 Blazer chassis



Chris, is the AEF conversion any good?
my dad served with the plain M60(A0) most of his service and I considered building him one for his 50th birthday next year but I was kind of put off by all the stuff I heard of AEF's quality control issues.

if you could take some shots of the AEF parts I'd be greatful.
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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 09:34 PM UTC

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M60 (A-nothin) AEF Turret with either a Tamiya or a old ESCI M60 Blazer chassis



Chris, is the AEF conversion any good?
my dad served with the plain M60(A0) most of his service and I considered building him one for his 50th birthday next year but I was kind of put off by all the stuff I heard of AEF's quality control issues.

if you could take some shots of the AEF parts I'd be greatful.



I have both the AEF and CMD (Chesapeake Model Designs) M60 Turrets - and I must say unabashedly that there is no comparison between the two. The CMD Turret is superior - hands down.

I will show you in a few days...

Gunnie
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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2005 - 09:47 PM UTC
Elad -

Below are some photos of the AEF M60 Early Turret conversion kit. I also posted some comparison photos with the M48A5 Academy turret. You can see that the M60 turret has the correct squared back end as compared to the M48A5 turret. I checked this against my Hunnicutt's Patton book (an awesome resource).

Some things about the AEF kit:

1. There is no M19 commander cupola and M85 machine gun. I will be using one from my Esci M60 Blazer kit (which uses another type of commander cupola but has the M19 included in the kit). Tank Work Shop also makes an M19 cupola for $10.

2. The Rack railings for the AEF kit looks fragile. My copy already has a small piece busted off. May try and use the railings from the M48A5 kit if they fit and then try and fix the railing later when I get around to building the A5 kit.

3. The AEF M68 105mm gun barrel appears to be shorter than the one for the M48 kit. Not sure which is correct though. Also the AEF gun in my copy did not have a projection to insert into the gun mount and will need to have a dowel or something to help support it when attached to the gun shield. Or again I just might try and use the M48A5 kit barrel and deal with it later.

4. Some other detail pieces are not included in the AEF kit - such as the periscope guard. Guess they intended for the modeler to use from their base M60 kit. My source for the chassis is coming from a mish mash of various kits, so I'm having to scrounge a little bit to get all of the correct parts. If one were to start with a Tamiya (or other) M60A1 or A3 kit, then probably won't have so many parts to hunt for. I'm just trying to minimize my spare parts pile but don't seem to be doing so well

hth

cn





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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 02:59 AM UTC

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M60 (A-nothin) AEF Turret with either a Tamiya or a old ESCI M60 Blazer chassis



Chris, is the AEF conversion any good?
my dad served with the plain M60(A0) most of his service and I considered building him one for his 50th birthday next year but I was kind of put off by all the stuff I heard of AEF's quality control issues.

if you could take some shots of the AEF parts I'd be greatful.



I have both the AEF and CMD (Chesapeake Model Desighs) M60 Turrets - and I must say unabashedly that there is no comparison between the two. The CMD Turret is superior - hands down.

I will show you in a few days...

Gunnie

I agree, having seen the AEF one and owning the CMD one, the CMD one is much superior.
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 04:02 AM UTC
Robin,
AEF makes a complete conversion set though with the old style air filters that arent featured in most M60A1 kits, Urdan copula, 0.3 Mgs with scisor mount and the 60mm mortar.
these items are crucial for making a decent presntation of the tanks that my dad used most of his service in the Sinai peninsula while just the turret, good as it may be, is not enough to complete the model.

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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 07:35 AM UTC

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Robin,
AEF makes a complete conversion set though with the old style air filters that arent featured in most M60A1 kits, Urdan copula, 0.3 Mgs with scisor mount and the 60mm mortar.
these items are crucial for making a decent presntation of the tanks that my dad used most of his service in the Sinai peninsula while just the turret, good as it may be, is not enough to complete the model.


The old Esci/AMT/Ertl M60A1 or M60A1 Blazer contains all the necessary features to add to the CMD turret to make a US M60. Back in the mid 90s these kits were only about $4.99 at the closeout stores.

I understand your need for the AEF set if you are building a non-US variant. Nonetheless, the CMD turret is still superior.
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 04:28 PM UTC
Robin,
the ESCI Blazer and M60A3 dont have the all-steel boogies used and their M60A1 RISE has the later air filters so thats ain't good either for an M60A0.

unless of course I'm mistaken.
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 08:53 PM UTC

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Robin,
the ESCI Blazer and M60A3 dont have the all-steel boogies used and their M60A1 RISE has the later air filters so thats ain't good either for an M60A0.

unless of course I'm mistaken.

Yes, you are wrong. The initial M60s came with the aluminum road wheels. The return to the M48 style steel wheels was a later decision made because the aluminum wheels did not wear as well. Both styles were still in use into the 90s. It was not uncommon to see a tank with both types of wheels or entirely one type or the other. The only rule in the use was both inner and outer road wheels on the same road wheel arm had to be the same type.
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Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 01:24 AM UTC
ahhh, well, the Patton Campaign, finally , I enlisted a few secs ago ... most probably I'll try that new conversion I have ... Goofy Models' Magach 7, should be a nice and easy build and looks really promising Hey Elad, will we get a separate thread in the campaings folder once it kicks off?
see ya - Andreas -
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Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 09:44 PM UTC

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The old Esci/AMT/Ertl M60A1 or M60A1 Blazer contains all the necessary features to add to the CMD turret to make a US M60. Back in the mid 90s these kits were only about $4.99 at the closeout stores.

I understand your need for the AEF set if you are building a non-US variant. Nonetheless, the CMD turret is still superior.



Yes, I agree. This the formula I'm using for my M60 conversion. I wish I could get my hands on a couple more ESCI/ERTL/AMT M60A1's - they are the best foundation for the conversion. Backdating the M60A1 Hull isn't difficult, with the technical manual and some good photos. The CMD Turret tops it off nicely too.

Gunnie
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2005 - 03:57 AM UTC
I used the ESCI kit to do my conversion with as well. I also took the Tamiya M-48 turret and kitbashed it into the round turret 60 with a few modificatons here and there. It might be cheaper and easier this way You might lose a small measure of accuracy, I don't know but from my point it turned out most satisfactorly
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 04:06 AM UTC

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Yes, you are wrong. The initial M60s came with the aluminum road wheels. The return to the M48 style steel wheels was a later decision made because the aluminum wheels did not wear as well. Both styles were still in use into the 90s. It was not uncommon to see a tank with both types of wheels or entirely one type or the other. The only rule in the use was both inner and outer road wheels on the same road wheel arm had to be the same type.



actually I meant that I might be mistaken about the ESCI kits.
I'm talking about Israeli M60A0 as I havent seen many US ones at all.
all M60A0s I seen came with the older all steel wheels.
while all A1s came with the newer aluminum ribbed boogies (the A0s arrived after '73 as replacments for the M60A1s and M48s that were lost during the war, they came from US and German NATO storage facilities in western europe).
this carried on well into the 90s and 2000s as even the Magach 7A and C which are based on M60A0s still have the older boogies (some had the newer ones installed on the two first suspension arms) while Magach 6B Gal which are based on the M60A1 have the aluminum boogies (with the 6B Gal Batah version sometimes having the afforementioned boogie assortment like the 7 due to the increased ground preasure wearing the aluminum boogies quicker).
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 04:10 AM UTC

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ahhh, well, the Patton Campaign, finally , I enlisted a few secs ago ... most probably I'll try that new conversion I have ... Goofy Models' Magach 7, should be a nice and easy build and looks really promising Hey Elad, will we get a separate thread in the campaings folder once it kicks off?
see ya - Andreas -



welcome Andreas,
what do you mean by seperate thread in the campaign folder? do you mean a new campaign thread in the campaigns forum?

btw, Gofey's Magach is actually a Magach 6B Gal Batash.
seems like a very nice conversion, I find it to be the best looking Magach of them all, I hope you enjoy it!

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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 09:35 PM UTC
yep, 'tis what I meant. I unpacked the conversion already. It ain't so simple like Legend's, but A LOT cheaper. You gotta do the turret basket rear railings and the belly armor is missing, but other than that, it looks really nice , sure it's a 6B Gal Batash, make a nice addition to my stash of Magach's already - Andreas -