I know we have had this thread before, but honestly, I cannot find the information I need. In a nutshell: where can we get the stuff on this side of the pond?
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 06:29 PM UTC
I too have been looking for this,I have seen it mentioned in a few books, but have never been able to find it anywhere. It does looks like a nice product.
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 07:56 PM UTC
Tr y looking in the train builders section at your hobby shop. When I found it in the UK it was called rubberized horsehair but something different. I shall see if i can find the packet and let you know. It is ideal stuff for making thick undergrowth with.
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 01:57 PM UTC
I've looked high and low. I did find that it is used as matting in BMW seats. I really don't want to have to buy a BMW seat to get the stuff. :-) Maybe someone in the UK would like to work up a trade on something we can easliy get over here?
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:02 PM UTC
Try some real horsehair.
I use realhorsehait for long grasses and weats. (not kidding!). I've 5 horses @ home. Plent of horsehair
I use realhorsehait for long grasses and weats. (not kidding!). I've 5 horses @ home. Plent of horsehair
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:05 PM UTC
I think I would rather buy the BMW than a horse. I don't think the stuff is called rubberized horse hair here in the states.
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:25 PM UTC
Hi
Here is can be the answer to your question;
In France we call this product « filasse de plombier » ( = plumber's tow) in English according to this post taken on ML whom I joined we call it " oakum”
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/53482&page=1
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/52793&page=1
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re: armorama static grass article
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Say, does anyone know what the US equivalent of "plumber's tow" is, as referred to in the Armorama article?
Would that be the same as what we call "oakum" over here? Oakum is a material used in plumbing to seal joints in cast iron plumbing, if that helps you at all.
Thanks.
Tom
Here is can be the answer to your question;
In France we call this product « filasse de plombier » ( = plumber's tow) in English according to this post taken on ML whom I joined we call it " oakum”
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/53482&page=1
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/52793&page=1
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/53596&page=1
il is on armorama forum
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re: armorama static grass article
July 2 2005 at 4:23 AM Tom Herling Tom Herling (Login TomHerling)
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Say, does anyone know what the US equivalent of "plumber's tow" is, as referred to in the Armorama article?
Would that be the same as what we call "oakum" over here? Oakum is a material used in plumbing to seal joints in cast iron plumbing, if that helps you at all.
Thanks.
Tom
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:45 PM UTC
Hey lads
Plumbers' tow in Australia is actually hemp, which is not wound, but can be 'peeled' off or stripped to give you a thickness of fibres you require.
Can get heaps of it, being a plumber n all, so if anyone wants I can send...
Just hope there are no customs 'entanglements' :-)
Plumbers' tow in Australia is actually hemp, which is not wound, but can be 'peeled' off or stripped to give you a thickness of fibres you require.
Can get heaps of it, being a plumber n all, so if anyone wants I can send...
Just hope there are no customs 'entanglements' :-)
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 04:15 AM UTC
Oakum can be found in the plumbing section of most hardware stores. It's used to seal the old cast iron & Clay pipe it's a Waxy kind of Hemp rope.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 04:41 AM UTC
i have rubberized horsehair..and it isnt the same as hemp rope. I wasn't able to find this product for order anywhere in the states..but i found a place in the UK that sells it. Unfortenately..they do not ship to the US.. however, with the help of a good friend, i was able to get them to order it for me, and send it to me here in the states.
Anyone need more information..pm me...
Anyone need more information..pm me...
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 05:34 AM UTC
I got mine from 4D Model Shop . Although it's a UK site, you can get prices quoted in US$ so I assume they ship overseas (they certainly do if you nopen a trade account).
This is the stuff you want (scroll down a little for "Horse Hair", there is a pic of it as well.)
http://tinyurl.com/coq8m
It is great stuff - much better than lichen, I reckon! Their service delivering to the UK, was superb, so I'd recommend them: Richard Windrow does in the Osprey Masterclass "Terrain Modelling", which is how I heard of them.
This is the stuff you want (scroll down a little for "Horse Hair", there is a pic of it as well.)
http://tinyurl.com/coq8m
It is great stuff - much better than lichen, I reckon! Their service delivering to the UK, was superb, so I'd recommend them: Richard Windrow does in the Osprey Masterclass "Terrain Modelling", which is how I heard of them.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 05:48 AM UTC
Lance ..that is where i got mine as well..but ..they said they do not ship to the states. I was able to get someone to order it for me and send it to me though...
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:48 AM UTC
Terrian Modelling, that's where I first saw this product too. It really looks like a great product, and I would love to find some.
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 04:58 PM UTC
I must admit I always thought the Woodland Scenics Field Grass was rubberrized horse hair... I can't confirm it though - on their site they only have it described as " An extremely fine, natural hair product that models tall grass, field grass and weeds."
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 06:54 PM UTC
Ok - enough about what it's called... anyone got photos of how it looks in actual use?
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2005 - 07:35 PM UTC
Keith,
It is mentioned in Osprey's "Terrain Modelling" by Richard Windrow.
I'm sure you've got the book anyway, or unless someone else beats me to it... I'll have a look for pics tonight...
Rudi
It is mentioned in Osprey's "Terrain Modelling" by Richard Windrow.
I'm sure you've got the book anyway, or unless someone else beats me to it... I'll have a look for pics tonight...
Rudi
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 01:32 AM UTC
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Ok - enough about what it's called... anyone got photos of how it looks in actual use?
Well, I consider myself no more than a competent beginner (especially when I see things like "The 40 lb Dio" ), but you can see what a great material the horsehair is when you see my first ever attempt at scratch building a tree with wire & modelling clay. The foliage is horehair sprayed with photo mount and sprinkled with flock. If I can manage this, then other people in this forum would be able to make amazing things, I reckon. The SdKfz222 is to give an idea of scale - it's 1/35.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 02:32 AM UTC
While not a close up, the rubberized horsehair is the tangled brush in this picture of my unfinished Ardennes Campaign entry. Jackhammer81 was kind enough to send me a generous supply recently.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 07:36 AM UTC
Here are some pic's of it in my Ardennes dio
Hope you can see it ok. Also look for the thread here started by Tankysgal1 she shows it in its block form. Cheers Kevin
Hope you can see it ok. Also look for the thread here started by Tankysgal1 she shows it in its block form. Cheers Kevin
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 03:34 PM UTC
Its easy to get rubberized horsehair. Either you ship some beef jerky over to Holland in a trade for some rubberized horsehair that was used to cushion artillery rounds
or
you send me your name and address and I'll send you a little of my stash. And, if you grovel and beg like I had to do, I can include some silver birch catkin seeds for leaves. A'int no silver birch catkin trees in the 48. The "grovel and beg" was to my kid that lives in Eastern Europe where they grow like weeds.
Sealhead
P.s. Finally figured out how to get the seeds colored for summer or fall.
or
you send me your name and address and I'll send you a little of my stash. And, if you grovel and beg like I had to do, I can include some silver birch catkin seeds for leaves. A'int no silver birch catkin trees in the 48. The "grovel and beg" was to my kid that lives in Eastern Europe where they grow like weeds.
Sealhead
P.s. Finally figured out how to get the seeds colored for summer or fall.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 04:25 PM UTC
Here is an update for all of us on this side of the pond. Scenic express carries a product made by silfor called "horsetail" which it seems to me by looking at it that it is precolored rubberised horsetail So there is no longer need to find a bmw seat and take it apartlol or look for old furniture :-) to steal it from. In my case we ordered it from the UK. but thats all a thing of the past now. Oh yeah here is a link to the page
horsetail
hope everyone finds this of use. Cheers Kevin
horsetail
hope everyone finds this of use. Cheers Kevin
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Posted: Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 08:09 AM UTC
Here is another example of what you can do with Rubberized Horsehair. I used it to make this bramble patch the as "growing" over this log...
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Posted: Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:18 AM UTC
Alright! Many thanks for dusting off this old post.
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Posted: Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 10:21 PM UTC
You can buy your rubberised horsehair from
http://www.modelshop.co.uk/
It's cheap and they ship quickly.
http://www.modelshop.co.uk/
It's cheap and they ship quickly.