Rick, I'm not advocating that we should treat 10 year olds like 50+ year olds. I'm all for encouraging others, as most of my post would show. I always balance my responses, if I find something to critisise I'll find something positive to add aswel. As I tried in the thread that started this post in the first place. But I'm sorry, sometimes crap has to be called crap. I've seen a couple of threads lately where the comments where just plain redicilous (sp). People scared to say something less than positive for fear of being called 'elitist', or not encouraging youngsters...
Maybe a 'youngsters' forum would be an idea, they can talk in their manner, and we can stay in our forum and talk in ours, sir. I, somehow, don't like the sound of that.
Anything else I would like to add would only result in either my post being deleted, or this thread being locked aswel, so I'll leave it at this.
Henk
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Ken, (correction)
I wouldn't sweat the last post thing. I had almost responded to it last night but decided to post this topic instead. The additional "pile on" that I saw happening is more in relation to some issue we are having with a small number of members and particular staff members. Call it differences in personality or a complete misreading of written context. We are all guilty of that sometimes.
I think Don (boovala) has a point. What younger members need to do is to take the hobby (and this site) seriously. I already know a little bit about PMP. I am sure he is a good kid at heart. However I kind of wonder if he might be more into war gaming than scale modeling. :-)
A forum for novice builders might work. I have also proposed a sub-site for beginning modelers. Something like a Modeler's Apprentice Guild or the like.
I like much of what has been said here. If we keep focusing on the positives and not so much on the negatives I am sure we can improve things for everyone.
Cheers,
Jim
I wouldn't sweat the last post thing. I had almost responded to it last night but decided to post this topic instead. The additional "pile on" that I saw happening is more in relation to some issue we are having with a small number of members and particular staff members. Call it differences in personality or a complete misreading of written context. We are all guilty of that sometimes.
I think Don (boovala) has a point. What younger members need to do is to take the hobby (and this site) seriously. I already know a little bit about PMP. I am sure he is a good kid at heart. However I kind of wonder if he might be more into war gaming than scale modeling. :-)
A forum for novice builders might work. I have also proposed a sub-site for beginning modelers. Something like a Modeler's Apprentice Guild or the like.
I like much of what has been said here. If we keep focusing on the positives and not so much on the negatives I am sure we can improve things for everyone.
Cheers,
Jim
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 07:42 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextWhat do you think that will achieve?
David. To answer your question. First, I want to let you know that I was stating my opinion on the subject matter and I made a suggestion that was open for debate.
Second, I was responding to staff_Jim's post. This is his site, and he makes the ultimate ruling. Keep this in mind.
I do want to point out, that I personally have nothing against junior members here on Armorama. I was a young modeller once too, before there ever was an internet. So I know what its like in an adult modelling world and trying to learn how to improve modelling skills, while trying to fit in at the same time.
I belong to a local AMPS chapter, that meets once a month, and alot of the guys bring there kids to the meetings, and they have their own models to work on, right along with us adult members. Its great to see a younger generation getting into a hobby like this.
I have 2 young kids of my own. Hopefully, one of them will follow in dads footsteps, and get into modelling. Some nights, my older son, who is only 5, sits on my lap and checks out the tank models on Armorama, Track-Link, Missing Lynx, WW2modelmaker, and my own Nordland site. He loves it !
My whole point was suggesting to staff_Jim ways to solve a problem with junior members who acted out of line. I voiced my opinion, and thats where it will stay. That is the purpose of the forums to begin with.
Cheers !!
Alpen
I'm sorry if I came off as being too agressive. It wasn't what I intended, you're suggested just seemed to me to only have negative outcomes. I was just pointing out my point of view on the subject.
boovoola
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 08:02 AM UTC
Ken,
I too, am aged 50+. I merely offer an observation and add a consult in relation to this thread. No intention to offend anyone.
As to your further references, maybe so...don't know what else to say.
Sorry 'bout that broken heart thing. What happened?
Don
I too, am aged 50+. I merely offer an observation and add a consult in relation to this thread. No intention to offend anyone.
As to your further references, maybe so...don't know what else to say.
Sorry 'bout that broken heart thing. What happened?
Don
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:08 AM UTC
Since we have a Ladies Forum so that women can be shielded from the rough comments of the menfolk, it seems just as logical to have a Beginners Forum where young 'uns can grow in a protected environment.
Frankly, I don't see the logic of either (particularly the former).
I think none of it (including skill badges, age or genre indicators, etc) will be necessary if we can just follow the rules (and as importantly the spirit) of the site. Or at least of normal civil society.
Maybe no one wants me to say this (I'm open to criticism
) but I think it should start with the staff and moderators who should set the example of adult and civil behaviour. While almost all seem to be responsible, I'm frankly apalled by Jim Rae's attitude. I have no idea if that dio was some sort of set up, but how 'bout some subtlety in our criticisms? If it's a fake, well, he fooled us. Big deal. Can't we criticize without putting someone down? Even as an adult, I doubt I would have returned to the site if someone commented on my work in that way.
Maybe we should have a separate forum for grouchy old guys too.
Frankly, I don't see the logic of either (particularly the former).
I think none of it (including skill badges, age or genre indicators, etc) will be necessary if we can just follow the rules (and as importantly the spirit) of the site. Or at least of normal civil society.
Maybe no one wants me to say this (I'm open to criticism
) but I think it should start with the staff and moderators who should set the example of adult and civil behaviour. While almost all seem to be responsible, I'm frankly apalled by Jim Rae's attitude. I have no idea if that dio was some sort of set up, but how 'bout some subtlety in our criticisms? If it's a fake, well, he fooled us. Big deal. Can't we criticize without putting someone down? Even as an adult, I doubt I would have returned to the site if someone commented on my work in that way.Maybe we should have a separate forum for grouchy old guys too.
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:19 AM UTC
Jim was relatively sedate in his critique. Not suble that's not his style, but sedate. He never attacked the builder, but just offered strong opinions on the work presented without any indication of the builder's age to us.
05Sultan
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:39 AM UTC
Quote-"Maybe we should have a separate forum for grouchy old guys too."
oooohh....easy now Dave. :-) I can go there in a heartbeat.FWIW I don't advocate seperate forums at all.If the female division of troopers want a 'sanctuary',then OK,I can see that.As far as young males,well I would give them a shot,the benefit of the doubt,equal everything until proven bad through and through.Then ban them like a bad troll,regardless of age.
cheers
oooohh....easy now Dave. :-) I can go there in a heartbeat.FWIW I don't advocate seperate forums at all.If the female division of troopers want a 'sanctuary',then OK,I can see that.As far as young males,well I would give them a shot,the benefit of the doubt,equal everything until proven bad through and through.Then ban them like a bad troll,regardless of age.
cheers
spooky6
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:53 AM UTC
On this subject of 'criticism style', I hope it's noted that there are a couple of members (at least one of whom does much better work than me) who don't post their work in the forums due to certain criticism 'styles'. Pity we're missing some good builds due to 'style'. I'm all for criticism, but I kind of like to live by the rule that "A gentleman should be rude only when he means to be".
jazza
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:40 AM UTC
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On this subject of 'criticism style', I hope it's noted that there are a couple of members (at least one of whom does much better work than me) who don't post their work in the forums due to certain criticism 'styles'. Pity we're missing some good builds due to 'style'. I'm all for criticism, but I kind of like to live by the rule that "A gentleman should be rude only when he means to be".
Thats very true. Criticism can be hard pill to swallow especially the amount of scrutiny that goes on in pursuit of accuracy. I do agree that criticism style should come with positive reinforcements because it takes alot of guts to post your work up here considering the company that we are among. I do believe one of the motivation of this site is to encourage the hobby after all.
On the flip side, members have to understand though that the whole point of posting their builds in the forum is to have it reviewed. If the whole point of posting it was to tell them how good their build is then they came to the wrong site to have their ego's stroked.
primate
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 12:41 PM UTC
I am a re-born modeller, and I agree with the all the comments regarding authenticity and accuracy. However is it worth remembering that like myself some younger modellers buid out of the box, and follow the painint guides provided by the manufacturer. Therefore when a critique is posted they find it hard to take.
Just my 2p's worth, and I will be posting something shortly.
Just my 2p's worth, and I will be posting something shortly.
TedMamere
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Hi Roderick!
As a Teatcher myself I like (and use at work) your "Sandwich" method... we just use "baguette" bread with cheese in France. :-)
When a young student (age 11 to 15) submits his work (I'm teaching Art) I always try to make nice comments at the first place, otherwise he won't show his work again! Then I point out the weaknesses and finally encourage him/her to continue... Sadly we are not equal in life. Some are skilled and some are not, that's a fact. Therefore, what you consider to be a bad job for your standards, can be the best someone can do at the moment... it's always a matter of perspective.
Youngsters are more sensitive to the words used (the form) than to the critique itself wich they can take and wich the need after all...
Jean-Luc
As a Teatcher myself I like (and use at work) your "Sandwich" method... we just use "baguette" bread with cheese in France. :-)
When a young student (age 11 to 15) submits his work (I'm teaching Art) I always try to make nice comments at the first place, otherwise he won't show his work again! Then I point out the weaknesses and finally encourage him/her to continue... Sadly we are not equal in life. Some are skilled and some are not, that's a fact. Therefore, what you consider to be a bad job for your standards, can be the best someone can do at the moment... it's always a matter of perspective.
Youngsters are more sensitive to the words used (the form) than to the critique itself wich they can take and wich the need after all...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 02:07 PM UTC
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Since we have a Ladies Forum so that women can be shielded from the rough comments of the menfolk
Mmm... I don't think that was their intention with the Ladies Forum at all, but I can be wrong...
Anyway, talking about them; if we have to get age-shields, lets stop at 25 for the ladies
EDIT:
With a special forum for youngsters and/or beginners I did mean something were one can learn the basics for modelling and where critics come together with a solution or advice on how to do bether. Not just say: "that doesn't look right" and than don't say why it doesn't.
Some sort of workshop if you like.
I never meant it to be youngsters or beginners alone: they need more experienced members to guide them. In my opinion that will make it easier and more pleasant to post models for beginners too.
I'm also not with the 'patting-on-the-back only' method; you can say that a model is not good, but say WHY it is not good and HOW it can be right. But by doing that also keep in mind that it are beginners (who probably don't cast their own resin parts, don't have an airbrush, build mostly OOB etc.)
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:22 PM UTC
The keynote in all of this has to be 'intentions' of younger modellers. If they are here to participate in a serious manner, give them all the resources they need. On the other hand, if they see it as a 'Teen Forum' and a means of being a smartass, then they have to be shown that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable.
The worst thing that could happen is 'making allowances' for their age. My 'serious' modelling began at 13-14 with some excellent adult 'mentors' who didn't give concessions and if I wanted to improve, it would be a good idea to take some serious advice. The comments from David (Airwarrior) have been, to my mind, the most succinct and sensible in this whole thread. There is nothing more guaranteed to turn people off than some patronizing comment...
Keep it structured, turning it into some 'let's join hands and sing Kumbaya' Forum is going to be a disaster...Jim
The worst thing that could happen is 'making allowances' for their age. My 'serious' modelling began at 13-14 with some excellent adult 'mentors' who didn't give concessions and if I wanted to improve, it would be a good idea to take some serious advice. The comments from David (Airwarrior) have been, to my mind, the most succinct and sensible in this whole thread. There is nothing more guaranteed to turn people off than some patronizing comment...
Keep it structured, turning it into some 'let's join hands and sing Kumbaya' Forum is going to be a disaster...Jim
Grumpyoldman
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:32 PM UTC
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The keynote in all of this has to be 'intentions' of younger modellers. If they are here to participate in a serious manner, give them all the resources they need. On the other hand, if they see it as a 'Teen Forum' and a means of being a smartass, then they have to be shown that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable.
The worst thing that could happen is 'making allowances' for their age. My 'serious' modelling began at 13-14 with some excellent adult 'mentors' who didn't give concessions and if I wanted to improve, it would be a good idea to take some serious advice. The comments from David (Airwarrior) have been, to my mind, the most succinct and sensible in this whole thread. There is nothing more guaranteed to turn people off than some patronizing comment...
Keep it structured, turning it into some 'let's join hands and sing Kumbaya' Forum is going to be a disaster...Jim
I agree with what you said 100%......
I'm glad I refreshed before I posted my thoughts on the whole matter. It would have put a few people who really don't know me into shock..... and I didn't use any Joisey curse words in it either..... it was really pretty good, I should have saved it to word, because I'm sure I'll need it again in the future.
By the way I would like to thanks the 5--- not 6-7-8 MANAGING EDITORS WHO WERE PICKED AND APPOINTED BY THE OWNER OF THE SITE FOR ALL THE LONG HOURS THEY PUT IN, MANAGING THE SITE......
Good thing I'm not an editor.... I would have deleted the Christmas decorations at first glance.....
as for ham sandwiches...... in the words of one of my college professors'......
you want a ham sandwich go to the deli----- here you get art--- don't like the food find another class....
God Bless Dr. Walker....... taught me a hell of a lot about art.... not food.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:56 PM UTC
I've watched this thread with interest. It's the kind of discussion you hate to chime in on for fear of making someone angry with you and your ideas. Anyway, here goes:
What I love about this site is that after I advise a 30 something guy who just got back into modeling on how you apply a wash. The next minute, I'm learning how to toast a turret from a teenager. It seems that skill has little to do with age. I feel that by diluting the number of contributors we have to groups by starting a beginers area is a bad idea. The big difference between the ages is the ability to take criticism. Maybe it's just how things are today, but the younger crowd doesn't seem to take criticism like us old guys. Of course, we don't temper our words because that's just how we are. That's how I see this debate going. We've overcome the numerous language barriers, for the most part, but age differences are a whole different animal. I hate this serious stuff.
BTW, this is PLMP110, not PMP. I am not, nor have I ever been a pimp. Plump maybe, pimp, no.
Patrick
What I love about this site is that after I advise a 30 something guy who just got back into modeling on how you apply a wash. The next minute, I'm learning how to toast a turret from a teenager. It seems that skill has little to do with age. I feel that by diluting the number of contributors we have to groups by starting a beginers area is a bad idea. The big difference between the ages is the ability to take criticism. Maybe it's just how things are today, but the younger crowd doesn't seem to take criticism like us old guys. Of course, we don't temper our words because that's just how we are. That's how I see this debate going. We've overcome the numerous language barriers, for the most part, but age differences are a whole different animal. I hate this serious stuff.
BTW, this is PLMP110, not PMP. I am not, nor have I ever been a pimp. Plump maybe, pimp, no.
Patrick
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 07:48 AM UTC
To Staff Jim, this one is really a tough call from every angle.
Before I go on, nice castle Jim. Wish I has one like that when I was a kid but then again it would probably wouldn't have lasted too long given the "explosive curiosities" of my wasted youth.
Personally I can see the merits of having a forum for the younger members as well as the other side of the coin of mixing it up. As Patrick(PLMP110) put it best for me where he says he can advise someone older on a wash only to have someone younger teach him as well. On that I'm more in favor of mixing it up rather than a separate forum. Age doesn't really affect creativity.
However, having the age shown for our younger members is a good thing. If for nothing else the older modellers can modify their explanations to match the comprehension abilities of the younger modeller.
On a totally off topic note, the curiosity as to what the ladies are discussing over at their forum is just driving me nuts and I'm all in favor of a Grouchy Old Guy Forum as long as you don't have to be 50 to join, just grouchy.
Before I go on, nice castle Jim. Wish I has one like that when I was a kid but then again it would probably wouldn't have lasted too long given the "explosive curiosities" of my wasted youth.Personally I can see the merits of having a forum for the younger members as well as the other side of the coin of mixing it up. As Patrick(PLMP110) put it best for me where he says he can advise someone older on a wash only to have someone younger teach him as well. On that I'm more in favor of mixing it up rather than a separate forum. Age doesn't really affect creativity.
However, having the age shown for our younger members is a good thing. If for nothing else the older modellers can modify their explanations to match the comprehension abilities of the younger modeller.
On a totally off topic note, the curiosity as to what the ladies are discussing over at their forum is just driving me nuts and I'm all in favor of a Grouchy Old Guy Forum as long as you don't have to be 50 to join, just grouchy.
staff_Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 07:54 AM UTC
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Before I go on, nice castle Jim. Wish I has one like that when I was a kid but then again it would probably wouldn't have lasted too long given the "explosive curiosities" of my wasted youth.
Ahh....too predicable are the ways of the American male teenager. We blew it up after graduating! :-)
Cheers,
Jim
boovoola
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 07:55 AM UTC
OK, OK...So, Patrick-
What you're saying is,... you're an abjective...
... not a noun.
Don
What you're saying is,... you're an abjective...
... not a noun.
Don
jRatz
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 08:16 AM UTC
Where does it stop ??
We have a forum for young folks, juniors, newbies ?
Do you segregate (isolate) us old folks next 'cause we don't talk the same ?
How fragmented can this place get & still be functional ?
We have folks of different ages, different backgrounds, different interests, different skill levels, different nationalities in this forum.
It's a frigging hobby folks -- lighten up and learn something !!!
John
We have a forum for young folks, juniors, newbies ?
Do you segregate (isolate) us old folks next 'cause we don't talk the same ?
How fragmented can this place get & still be functional ?
We have folks of different ages, different backgrounds, different interests, different skill levels, different nationalities in this forum.
It's a frigging hobby folks -- lighten up and learn something !!!
John
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 08:55 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextBefore I go on, nice castle Jim. Wish I has one like that when I was a kid but then again it would probably wouldn't have lasted too long given the "explosive curiosities" of my wasted youth.
Ahh....too predicable are the ways of the American male teenager. We blew it up after graduating! :-)
Cheers,
Jim
I'm sorry Jim I know you started this serious topic to test the water but after reading your reply to my statement, I don't suppose you have any pics of the blown up castle do you? Purely professional curiosity and academics of course.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 03:32 PM UTC
Reading this thread from start to bottom again I'm suprised to read some comments of "adult" members about younger and/or other members.
On the one hand they claim they welcome younger members, on the other hand they say: "fit in or shut up"...
Then, when others come with constructive ideas to help solve the problems we are facing (and some ideas came from members who are proffesionally working with youth every day, like teachers), the only thing they can do is making those ideas sound stupid.
Look, Armorama is growing; it's becoming (or is) the most popular site on the Internet about modelling.
This brings "cases" like woman modellers and younger modellers with it.
So no, it does not stop! This site is growing bigger and bigger and become "fragmentated" if you like to call it that way. IT'S A HEALTHY THING!
And NO, a special forum for woman, younger, junior or beginner members DOES NOT MEAN AT ALL to segragate "OLDER" members.
If some guys want to keep Armorama "as it is or was" or like some members prefer it, just keep up this "fit in or shut up" attitude and even bether: lock the site from now on. Keep together with your own bunch and dont' let anyone tell you otherwise...
It seems like those members who are shouting the hardest that they don't get respect from younger members show in their comment little or no respect themselfs.
And when DID younger members show no respect at all? Tho one forum lately about Finlandia was in my opinion an extreme. And yes, younger members in their teens ARE puberly, uncertain and react like (suprise!) kids!!!! Therefor a special forum is not so bad, let it be moderated by members who like to work with youth, don't have a thin skin and respect them like they want to be respected themself.
Therefor I think it's a good thing to take the opinions of members here who are proffesionally involved with teenagers seriously if we want to have a great site.
So, don't make jokes about theories and solutios if you can't give some CONSTRUCTIVE critics yourself.
Anyway, this all does not sound at as the Armorama I know for some years, where we WELCOMED new members and were we want to make it a nice place for EVERY one, regardless of age or gender.
Stepping of my wooden box also...
Beat me up if you like
On the one hand they claim they welcome younger members, on the other hand they say: "fit in or shut up"...
Then, when others come with constructive ideas to help solve the problems we are facing (and some ideas came from members who are proffesionally working with youth every day, like teachers), the only thing they can do is making those ideas sound stupid.
Look, Armorama is growing; it's becoming (or is) the most popular site on the Internet about modelling.
This brings "cases" like woman modellers and younger modellers with it.
So no, it does not stop! This site is growing bigger and bigger and become "fragmentated" if you like to call it that way. IT'S A HEALTHY THING!
And NO, a special forum for woman, younger, junior or beginner members DOES NOT MEAN AT ALL to segragate "OLDER" members.
If some guys want to keep Armorama "as it is or was" or like some members prefer it, just keep up this "fit in or shut up" attitude and even bether: lock the site from now on. Keep together with your own bunch and dont' let anyone tell you otherwise...
It seems like those members who are shouting the hardest that they don't get respect from younger members show in their comment little or no respect themselfs.
And when DID younger members show no respect at all? Tho one forum lately about Finlandia was in my opinion an extreme. And yes, younger members in their teens ARE puberly, uncertain and react like (suprise!) kids!!!! Therefor a special forum is not so bad, let it be moderated by members who like to work with youth, don't have a thin skin and respect them like they want to be respected themself.
Therefor I think it's a good thing to take the opinions of members here who are proffesionally involved with teenagers seriously if we want to have a great site.
So, don't make jokes about theories and solutios if you can't give some CONSTRUCTIVE critics yourself.
Anyway, this all does not sound at as the Armorama I know for some years, where we WELCOMED new members and were we want to make it a nice place for EVERY one, regardless of age or gender.
Stepping of my wooden box also...
Beat me up if you like
jimbrae
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 04:40 PM UTC
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And when DID younger members show no respect at all? Tho one forum lately about Finlandia was in my opinion an extreme.
Well actually Paul there have been a number of 'incidents' recently. The previous one was 'Pizza'..
It's simple - NO concessions, NO Patronizing because of age and YES, the creation of a dedicated forum(s)for younger/less experienced modellers.
That said, (and I apologize for singling you out) why do the majority behave in an impeccable manner such as Matt McLean, whereas others seem to want to behave like spoiled brats?
Perhaps on the sites they previously go (dedicated sites for Warhammer for example) where there is a positive 'celebration' of 'Do what the hell you like' ? - just today's thought. Perhaps badly accustomed rather than badly mannered..Jim
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Posted: Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 12:04 AM UTC
They have a junior modelling forum over on WW2 modelmaker and hardly anyone posts there. Everyone wants to play with the bigger kids.
I work as an art teacher with young people. The biggest problem I come up against in any group I work with is the kids saying “I can’t draw” it usually turns out that a teacher or grown up has disparaged their work like in the Harry Chapin song “Flowers are Red young man”
Now I know that you can’t have an anything goes approach to serious modelling because Shermans are Olive Drab young man” but my approach has always been to start with a positive and to comment on some aspect of the work which is interesting and suggest ways that the whole can be made better.
I once had a tutor who started every critique with the word “No” and it would go downhill from there. However I didn’t give up mainly because of another tutor who would say “What you’re doing is interesting but can I suggest another approach?”
My two Euro cent worth.
I work as an art teacher with young people. The biggest problem I come up against in any group I work with is the kids saying “I can’t draw” it usually turns out that a teacher or grown up has disparaged their work like in the Harry Chapin song “Flowers are Red young man”
Now I know that you can’t have an anything goes approach to serious modelling because Shermans are Olive Drab young man” but my approach has always been to start with a positive and to comment on some aspect of the work which is interesting and suggest ways that the whole can be made better.
I once had a tutor who started every critique with the word “No” and it would go downhill from there. However I didn’t give up mainly because of another tutor who would say “What you’re doing is interesting but can I suggest another approach?”
My two Euro cent worth.
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