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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 12:09 PM UTC
Selrach... Lol

John,
I am not sure what problem with the Aeroscale Air Campaigns forum you are alluding to. No one has alerted me to any issues and I see a pretty active forum so...

As for the rest..... guilty as chargd.

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Jim
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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 12:19 PM UTC
I just have one thing to add for everyone who has been with the site since the early days and is now not so much a 'cheerleader' as they may have been in the past, but now looks at the site with a more critical view (and I am not saying I don't want to hear from the critics!).

Why is the poll result running at 86% positive?

To be honest I wasn't expecting that.

Is this a case of a silent majority vote? Again not that I don't care about 15% of the sites members but why do they choose to focus on all the negatives but the vast majority don't?

Just curious.

Thanks,
Jim
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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 01:54 PM UTC

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-- Armorama Campaign Groups have been out of sync for over a year (maybe Jeremy will have the power to fix them).



Hi John,

I totally agree with you on this one and is definitely on my agenda to clean up. The photo gallery is a bit of a trip wire land mine as any wrong movement might cause another area to go down.

Give me time to check it out and will try to do some sort of house cleaning in the coming months.

Thanks for the feedback nonetheless!
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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 04:05 PM UTC

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I just have one thing to add for everyone who has been with the site since the early days and is now not so much a 'cheerleader' as they may have been in the past, but now looks at the site with a more critical view (and I am not saying I don't want to hear from the critics!).

Why is the poll result running at 86% positive?

To be honest I wasn't expecting that.

Is this a case of a silent majority vote? Again not that I don't care about 15% of the sites members but why do they choose to focus on all the negatives but the vast majority don't?

Just curious.

Thanks,
Jim


Ive been here for most of time, since the site´s inception, and have voted positive.
Personally ... the adds dont bother me .. so this hasn´t been an issue for me.
Quite a few guys that Ive known in that time have drifted away or left. Sorry to see them go, as it was nice to to have all the familiar "faces", but those I got to know well, I still keep in touch. But one thing Im glad for ... there are a lot of new "faces" starting to show up, adding a new buzz again. So now I feel I have the best of two worlds.
The site break-up into different sections was in one way good ... Losing the aircraft and ships from the latest posts section, means more posts that are in my personal area of choice.

Historicus Forma, has split the figure content somewhat. Rudy has invested much of his time and effort, but there´s only so much he can do with the amount of regular participants. Some interesting work going on there too ...especially sculpting and conversions ....
But figures are an important part of Armor and dios as well IMO, and it appears that figure content is falling in the gap somewhere.
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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 05:51 PM UTC
Jim, I guess one thing I forgot about and haven't mentioned yet is something that I miss from the old days. I think you explained this in the past. I remeber that there was sort of a scrolling gallery at the top of the page that high lighted different peoples works ( I remember some figures and a tank or two?). I realize that this may not be feasible anymore, but maybe it would quiet down some of the critiques of too many adds by having this in a high visibility spot and could pull in works from all the areas of the kitmaker network? However, since I have fogotten about it until just now, maybe it wasn't that needed anyways.


Just a random thought,

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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2007 - 08:02 AM UTC

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John,
I am not sure what problem with the Aeroscale Air Campaigns forum you are alluding to. No one has alerted me to any issues and I see a pretty active forum so...

Thanks,
Jim



Jim,
I don't know how to point you at a post but in Aeroscale / Campaigns there is a thread "2007 Campaign Leaders Needed" and in it, Jean-Luc (TedMamare) says .... snip ...
The Campaign System is still "frozen" all over the KitMaker Network. I think we will have to ask StaffJim about the status of the 2007 Campaigns again. Of course, if we start late (this could take hours, days or weeks!?) we can extend the Group Build's end dates.


I have seen same/similar remarks by Aeroscale Leaders in a couple other threads, which I did not track down, relative to a bug you were chasing ...

Disconnect somewhere, hope this helps ...
John
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2007 - 08:26 AM UTC
John,
I think there was some poor communication going on here by all involved. The situation was that one staff member (Jim Lewis) was in charge of the entire Campaigns system on the site. At some point in 2006 Jim opted to freeze all future campaigns until 2007 so no new campaigns were approved for the most part in the second half of 2006. Jim has not been able to spend as much time on the site as he would like so the decision was made to let each site team manage the campaigns areas. That was just made official about a week ago. Jean-Luc is now formally the campaign manager for AeroScale. Mark Smith for ModelShipwrights and Jeremy Wee for Armorama. I am not sure yet if ModelGeek will have a dedicated person beyond Scott or who Rudi will appoint.

I can understand though how the old scheme was not working and caused some breakdowns with campaigns. That hopefully is behind us and we can move forward with those campaigns that are approved and anticipated by the membership.

There were (for the record) no problems with the campaigns forums themselves They have and continues to operate just fine.

Thanks,
Jim
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2007 - 09:36 AM UTC
Jim,

Although not as active as I use to be I'm still here lurking and posting from time to time. I still enjoy the site even after the so called "split up" and it is, and always has been, the first site I visit when I hop on the computer. The only "peeve" I have is the gallery. I don't find it as easy as other sites to navigate. I would like to see it a bit more organized.

Other than that I'm still happy with the site and the friends I've made here. It's alot nicer here than other "elitist" sites that are out there.

Oh, BTW, until I read this thread I didn't even know that SMW existed!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 07:12 AM UTC
Jim,

And I see that Aeroscale birthed a Campaign and two Missions overnight, with a couple more in the queue ...

Thanks, and now I head off to participate ...
John
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Posted: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 07:29 AM UTC
Jim, theres no "armorama is terrible and i never want to come back again"?

I obviously said it was GREAT :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 09:44 AM UTC
Subject: POLLNew Poll - How we doing?

The 86% positive (mentioned above) pretty much answer's the question.
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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2007 - 01:24 AM UTC
Just want to thank all involved in the running of this site for their hard work and dedication. I enjoy this site very much and visit often. I have noted a slight falling off of activity. Not sure why but I have received and am confident I will continue to receive help on this site. I will continue helping if I can. Again well done to all!!
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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2007 - 06:35 PM UTC
Hi Jim,
they say honesty is the best policy so here i go.
I have seen some dramatic changes on Armorama,some good some bad.The addition of the shipwright and Benelux forums are truelly a success,the latter being one of the most productive sites on the Kitmaker network.
However,there are certian aspects that i have seen that are frankly concerning..
since the so called split last year,i have seen the diorama section decline in a drastic way.
This i think partly due to the fact that alot of dio guys jumping ship and no longer posting on the forums here.Those guys were always there to help out and were continually posting their work,keeping everything run like a well oiled machine.Most of us know who they are so i will not name names.
There are hardly any incentives given to the diorama forum compared to the set ups of the HF and Armor forums.No monthly giveaways,no competitions,nothing.The drive in the forum has been diminished and
I personally feel that the Diorama forum needs a huge shake up to put things back on track..otherwise it seems like it will die an untimely death.
Another point that i must bring up is the "situation" forum on HF.Now to me this does not seem very logical at all to have a Diorama forum and then a Situation forum.Yes i do understand the situation forum is more figure orientated but wouldn't it just be simple to have one forum called "Groundwork" or alike??
Ok,yes, i have to click the mouse a few more times to visit HF,there's no problem there but i feel an almalgamation of the two forums would be more viable.
Cheers,Shay
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Posted: Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 12:15 AM UTC

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since the so called split last year,i have seen the diorama section decline in a drastic way.
This i think partly due to the fact that alot of dio guys jumping ship and no longer posting on the forums here.Those guys were always there to help out and were continually posting their work,keeping everything run like a well oiled machine.Most of us know who they are so i will not name names.
There are hardly any incentives given to the diorama forum compared to the set ups of the HF and Armor forums.No monthly giveaways,no competitions,nothing.The drive in the forum has been diminished and
I personally feel that the Diorama forum needs a huge shake up to put things back on track..otherwise it seems like it will die an untimely death.



Yes, there DOES seem to be a lack of momentum (or perhaps energy) in Dioramas. However, that is not really something which any finger of blame can be pointed at... The real reason for that is NOT the editors, but rather the lack of contributors. If people aren't submitting material, then the site editors don't have anything to post up as features. There is also a limit as to how much ANY Editor or manager can 'enthuse' the site users..

Perhaps, the question that could be raised is how much 'Brand-Loyalty' individual users have towards Armorama/Kitmaker Network?

It isn't a 'blame-game' but ultimately, if people choose NOT to invest a bit of time into the site - it's hard to see what their 'return' will actually be...

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Posted: Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 12:34 AM UTC
Shay, you're sadly mistaken if you think more 'freebies' will invigorate the diorama forum. You're also mistaken in thinking the Armour forum gets lots of freebies and contests. It's the site that gets contests. Perhaps that's where your greatest error lies........stop considering dioramas as a separarte area......it's not. We're Armour modellers. Sometimes we make vehicles, sometimes we put them on bases.

Vinnie
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Posted: Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 01:41 AM UTC
Jim,
I do agree that the large deal of the Diorama forum and it's decline is due to the fact of less user postings..like you said it's hard to produce a feature when there is no active content.

Vinnie,

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Shay, you're sadly mistaken if you think more 'freebies' will invigorate the diorama forum. You're also mistaken in thinking the Armour forum gets lots of freebies and contests. It's the site that gets contests. Perhaps that's where your greatest error lies........stop considering dioramas as a separarte area......it's not. We're Armour modellers. Sometimes we make vehicles, sometimes we put them on bases.

Vinnie



Firstly,i never used the word "freebies", your wording not mine.I was merely pointing to the structure of HF and the Armor forum having competitions and as seen recently an initiative started by yourself to come with an interesting forum post with an eventual prize.
Secondly you maybe an Armour modeller,and sometimes compliment your armour with a base,good for you.
I build Dioramas with the idea of giving some kind of action or storyline,with the emphasis being the diorama .So i class myself as a Diorama modeller and i will make no apologies in stating that Armour modelling and Diorama modelling are TWO totally different entities.
Just look at the diorama from Claude Joachim's castle and the works from Jean Bernard Andre and tell me if Diorama modelling isn't classed as it's own entity??
Thirdly,making such remarks as "perhaps this is where your greatest error lies" is not constructive dialogue.How am i doing ?...offended.
Shay
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Posted: Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 02:37 AM UTC

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There are hardly any incentives given to the diorama forum compared to the set ups of the HF and Armor forums.No monthly giveaways,no competitions,nothing.The drive in the forum has been diminished and
I personally feel that the Diorama forum needs a huge shake up to put things back on track..otherwise it seems like it will die an untimely death.


To a certain extent, I agree with you Shay. Both the diorama and figure content have fallen into a gap between both sites. This is probably more unfortunate, than planned.

I really don´t see neither, figures or dioramas dying out though. Both are too connected to armor ... and armor too connected to them, to ever go away. With the rate new kits are hitting the shelfs today, its hard to keep up (and dio builders, build armor) it´s only a matter of time, before the focus will drift back to the figures and dios again. Its usually the way, when theres a gap for a while, it will be filled by someone else. But I guess, thats up to each and all of us.
Theres a lot of buzz on the site at the moment about new Masterbox and Miniart figures and how they´ll be used ... watch this space :-) :-) Also the fact that kits are getting bigger and more involved, have added to the slow-down.

As to give-aways and incentives ... all the prizes are Dragon or Seil models ... both companies who sponsor the sites. Unfortunately neither are really diorama orientated.
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Posted: Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 12:29 PM UTC
Good morning everyone,

Shay, thank you for your support on the Benelux Forum, i appreciate.


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.The addition of the shipwright and Benelux forums are truelly a success,the latter being one of the most productive sites on the Kitmaker network.



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Perhaps, the question that could be raised is how much 'Brand-Loyalty' individual users have towards Armorama/Kitmaker Network?


I see the success of the Benelux forum, non regarding the language the site is made :-) , as a drain to the Main Armorama site.
Most of the posters would be able to post in english but choose not to do because the retreat to the dutch site works so well for them.

Technically speaking A-Benelux is on the network, but really it is , in the usage and mind of the users, a separate site. The posts made there are not on the main site and could also be made on ML or anywhere else.
Of course there are exception (Kiwibelg, Blokker).
You can discard this by saying that they are only a few hundred. But a few hundred motivated posters on Benelux, some retreating on the HF forum , a few dozen good posters gone, others, me included, starting to crosspost, etc, this ads to something.

I for my part, am still not used (or not interested enough) to make this click to the satelite sites (except HF). I once liked to look at a ship or plane when it was on Display but do no more now.

By the way, the Modelgeek main page is still "Websensed" .


Cheers
Claude









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Posted: Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 03:14 PM UTC
Claude, although I don't understand a word in the Benelux forum, it's one of the areas I would advise all site-users to visit. Some of the images of WIPs are very impressive indeed. As you say, the overwhelming majority could easily post here - and their work would be very welcome indeed.

However, the fact that some choose not to post here, is, as they say, a story for another day....
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Im new here & so far Ive only made a couple of comments ,asked a question & made a request . Im pleased with everything about this site & there is still quite a few more things for things yet for me to click on to see. Im not really much of a computer user so I like the way things are made easier for me , so I suppose after Ive read the tips on photography then checked how to post them, my contribution will be delivered. As for the advertising its right where it should be, in the margin not in my face but its eyecatching photos do it justice. With regards to buying online Im quite mistrustful, reasons being 1.I really dont understand how to. 2.I cant trust a computer as far as i can throw one (due to technological innovation I can throw one a lot further but I still dont trust it as far) so I just phone them up & get it sent cash on delivery. This site has saved me money so far (&time) because now I dont need to buy a magazine thats full of fantasy figures,superbikes & planes just for an armour article or advert. that interests me. Im sure there are fellas just like me out there lacking confidence in understanding & ability to use the computer ,give it a go I think its worth the effort .(P.S.can anybody tell me how to hit the high comma ,like in- its,Ive or Im)
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This site has saved me money so far (&time) because now I dont need to buy a magazine thats full of fantasy figures,superbikes & planes just for an armour article or advert. that interests me.



Ahhh! YET another satisfied reader of Euromodelismo? :-)
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.(P.S.can anybody tell me how to hit the high comma ,like in- its,Ive or Im)



It's the same key that has the @.

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.(P.S.can anybody tell me how to hit the high comma ,like in- its,Ive or Im)



It's the same key that has the @.




WoW I guess they really do have different key boards over there...
my ' is on the same key as " next to the "enter" key. :-)

As to how is the site doing?
I think it's doing fine.
You can only get out of a site what you are willing to put into it.
I think the staff and 98% of the members do there best to help and improve the site each day.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 11:47 PM UTC
Giving my opinion, what a difficult thing to do.

How to be fair and balanced, how to raise a few less positive points without being offensive.

But hey, you asked for it, so here are my two cents:

- Overall, this is the best modelling site that I am aware of on the web. I will always have a soft spot for it because it helped enormously to get me back into modelling.

As the rest of my remarks might seem a bit more critical, I want to stress that the above remark has more weight than all the rest together. Still I want to make the other remarks because it might help.

- There are a few "black spots" on the soul of some of the staff of this site. I don't know the history behind those black spots but I do notice that it is sufficient that somebody mentions e.g. SMW to provoke an immediate harsh reaction. This shows that the SMW history (whatever it may be) has left painfull marks which might be understandable but it is NOT GOOD for this site that a hint (yes or no meant as provocation) stirs up histories leading to more or less agressive language which makes the kitmaker experience less positive for other users.

- The kitmaker network is growing. Very good, I can only cheer for more. But uncontrolled growth could lead to very negative side effects. Users can easily find reviews/articles written in the past (but still with very relevant content ) where pictures are missing, or where the lay-out is bad. Some parts of the site show technical terms instead of user friendly descriptions. The development approach should take better into account that the users should not be aware that in the background development is going on. Just consider that a re-print of a book, containing a lot of new information, would not sell if the potential buyers would notice that the old info is not re-worked to the same level as the new content.

- The web is evolving rapidly and this not only in a technological sense. There are exciting new ideas on how to interact with a user community, how a rich user interface should look like. I have the feeling that the kitmaker network started of at a certain moment in time and that now, years later, developments are still made using the same technology available in those early days and with the same communication philosophy. Maybe other options should be considered.


These may seem secondary considerations but I think that giving them some weight might contribute to "a positive kitmaker experience" for the average user.

All together, kitmaker is an exciting place, and the staff (Jim ahead (man, do you have time to sleep???)) is doing an excellent job.

Thanks for making this site live



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