Västra Götaland, Sweden
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Posted: Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:30 AM UTC
The year is that of 1946.
Behold the might of the Third Reich.
The Landkreuzer
Didn't the Nazi's build a massive tank called the Landkreuzer ( although not near the size of this beast)?
What do you guys think of this tank? Would it have been possible for Germany to build one of these during the war? Would it have been successful in combat?
Cheers
/
Christian
Gelderland, Netherlands
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Posted: Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:51 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The year is that of 1946.
Behold the might of the Third Reich.
The Landkreuzer
Didn't the Nazi's build a massive tank called the Landkreuzer ( although not near the size of this beast)?
What do you guys think of this tank? Would it have been possible for Germany to build one of these during the war? Would it have been successful in combat?
Cheers
/
Christian
This is a picture of a project called the P-1000, which was to be a 1000 ton tank, armed with a battleship turret.
Look here for more info(-ish...):
http://members.tripod.com/~fingolfen/superheavy/p1000.htmlhttp://www.panzerschreck.de/panzer/pzkpfw/p1000.htmlA scratchbuilt model:
http://www.panzerbaer.de/workshop/wdieb_mod_87-a.htmBut, it could be worse, just look up P-1500, armed with the gun from Dora.
Or the Midgaardschlange, which was to move underground.
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 06:01 AM UTC
Give it time...Dragon will put a kit out for it.
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Croatia Hrvatska
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 07:27 AM UTC
are you serious....?successful?.......no way
Just think on the mass and where that mass can travel...if they could position it properly,maybe it could dish out some damage....this is a siege weapon
Uusimaa, Finland
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 07:55 AM UTC
That would have been just a waste of resources.
Just the sight of such a monster on the battle field would have caused quite a psychological effect, but the sheer size is just impractical. Maybe it does boast some heavy guns and armor that protects it from just about everything land forces can throw at it. But when once sighted, you have a hard time dogding all the airstrikes called on you.
Landkreuzer sighted-->some meaningless movements performed by the mass of steel-->a formation of B-17's flying overhead--> end of story.
Gelderland, Netherlands
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 08:38 AM UTC
Still, the intended engines were completed and delivered, even though the whole project had already been cancelled.
Slight oversight, the contract for the engines wasn't cancelled.
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Uusimaa, Finland
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 09:07 AM UTC
You know, at Wikipedia we have been completely unable to prove the existence of the Landkreutzer project. Several editors tried to verify it, but nobody was able to find a source predating the Internet, and there was a consensus at one point that the thing was, indeed, originated on the Net.
Indiana, United States
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 11:10 PM UTC
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, August 12, 1974
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Kobenhavn, Denmark
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 12:10 AM UTC
It would never have worked - way to heavy and as already mentioned guns of that size would only have been useful as siege guns. Just a waste of ressources. Also imagine the vulnerbility of a tank this size to fighterbomber attacks.
Interesting if this is indeed a case where the internet uses itself as a source for a story. It was bound t happen at some point - and has probably happened alot already.....
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England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 06:00 AM UTC
I'm not sure if the term "Landkruezer" originated from the net or from the original designers but the overall plan and design does pre-date the lifetime of the internet, I have several books which were printed during the early '70s that mention albeit in not a lot of detail the ideas of 1000 and 1500 ton tanks, the first of which was to mount a pair of Tiger turrets on the rear corners in a similar fashion to the Russian T-35 multi-turret tank.
As for its operational viability, leaving aside the "shoot at me" aspect of a tank this size looking at the tracks its groundpressure would have been quite low which means it could operate on less than perfect terrain and its 35m length would have been able to cross a lot of rivers very easily so bridges wouldnt be necessary.
Michigan, United States
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 06:28 AM UTC
You hadn't heard? The idea was so practical that the major postwar powers devoted enormous resources and studied the tactical and technical possibilities of it. They felt the 1000 ton and 1500 ton "land cruiser" idea would be pivotal in the Cold War age.
Opps. Oh wait. Sorry. Must be thinking of the Harry Turtledove universe or maybe "Haunted Tank"
"Landkruezer"? More like beached whale. A warship on catepillar tracks -- as useful as the Maginot Line.
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 11:04 AM UTC
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The year is that of 1946.
Behold the might of the Third Reich.
The Landkreuzer
This is a picture of a project called the P-1000, which was to be a 1000 ton tank, armed with a battleship turret.
Look here for more...
A scratchbuilt model:
http://www.panzerbaer.de/workshop/wdieb_mod_87-a.htm
I love the model of this monstrosity.
Huge, even in 1/87th scale, towering over all those ROCO Minitanks - and perfectly camouflaged in dark yellow, red brown and green.
"Look, sir, a bloomin' Jerry thousand tonner.."
"Where?'
Might work if it was camouflaged as a small town though...
acav out
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Grumpyoldman
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 11:21 AM UTC
Reminds me of those wonderful old Popular Science, and Popular Mechanics covers from between the wars and during and post war. Flights of fantasy in an illustrators mind.
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Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 03:56 PM UTC
Looks more like on of Keith Laumer's BOLOs.
spongya
Associate Editor Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 03:00 AM UTC
These people were nuts... You know, they remind me of those mega-tanks and titans from the Warhammer 40k universe...
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Georgia, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 03:31 AM UTC
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 05:38 AM UTC
Here's a pretty good site that traces the evolution of a lot of the myths of the German superweapon ideas from WW2 including a Washington Post article from 1957.
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/AN%20INVENTORY%20OF%20NAZI%20SECRET%20WEAPONS.htmTexas, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 05:41 AM UTC
And from that same site, a very detailed page on the super tanks including some great scale models and some destroyed Maus photos I've never seen before.
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Panzerkampfwagen%20VIII.htmTexas, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 05:50 AM UTC
Upon further exploring of the home pages of the sites listed above, I must warn you it contains some fringe conspiracy materials and some bizarre political leanings. It does have some extensive info on various German weapons but may not be the site you may want to get your information from.
I'll leave it to the Armorama monitors if they want to remove the previous postings if they feel the website they refer to is an inappropriate reference for Armorama.
England - East Anglia, United Kingdom
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 06:18 AM UTC
"No Battle Plan Ever Survives Contact With The Enemy."
Napolean Bonarparte.
"I Do Not Know What Weapons Will Be Used In A Third World War But I Know In A Fourth World War It Will Be Sticks And Stones"
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 06:40 AM UTC
"Coming soon to a hobby store near you". Give it a little more time, someone is going to release this as a kit
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Hamilton, New Zealand
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Posted: Monday, July 02, 2007 - 01:29 PM UTC
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Also imagine the vulnerbility of a tank this size to fighterbomber attacks.
Only if you haven't already acheived air supremacy. You could flip it around and have the Allies use such a beast to reduce the various German defensive lines post D-Day. So far as crossing water obstacles is concerned, at 35 meyres long, it would be like it's own bridge...
California, United States
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Posted: Monday, July 02, 2007 - 01:36 PM UTC
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Also imagine the vulnerbility of a tank this size to fighterbomber attacks.
Only if you haven't already acheived air supremacy. You could flip it around and have the Allies use such a beast to reduce the various German defensive lines post D-Day. So far as crossing water obstacles is concerned, at 35 meyres long, it would be like it's own bridge...
would be a good vehicle to get unprotected infantry across small rivers safely and easily?
England - South West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, July 02, 2007 - 09:04 PM UTC
At 35 meters long, and 14 (!!) meters wide (that is roughly just over twice the standard width of a road!!!) manouverability might have been a bit of a problem.
. Unless the 'point and go' navigation would have been applied. But then again, with a behemoth like this, the guns become virtualy redundant. Just run over the enemy...
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England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 09:49 AM UTC
it would be a awsome sight to see one and it would do some damage but within a week of it being spotted by enemys it probably would be bombed to pieces. looks cool tho!
