Mike
I like the idea of the mud on the lower hull but I always thought you applied that after all the initial paint was applied.in order to give it a more natural look. If you can give me some suggestions regarding this it would be great.
Randy
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JAFMA
Joined: March 20, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 08:37 AM UTC
modelguy2
Joined: March 09, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 09:47 AM UTC
Hi Randy,
Different strokes for different folks I 'spose. I like to apply the mud to hulls first-then paint. My reasoning being #1 why should I waste paint on an area that's going to be covered with mud? #2 That area is going to be painted along with the mud as well. My hulls never have the camo scheme going directly to the bottom, they always fade into dirt. On parts like the Sherman bogies-they get painted before assembly. Not OD but dark brown and are muddied up after they're attached. I like to use celluclay because you can make it look stringy as if there is some organic material in with the mud.
Mike
Different strokes for different folks I 'spose. I like to apply the mud to hulls first-then paint. My reasoning being #1 why should I waste paint on an area that's going to be covered with mud? #2 That area is going to be painted along with the mud as well. My hulls never have the camo scheme going directly to the bottom, they always fade into dirt. On parts like the Sherman bogies-they get painted before assembly. Not OD but dark brown and are muddied up after they're attached. I like to use celluclay because you can make it look stringy as if there is some organic material in with the mud.
Mike
tuff13
Joined: September 04, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 02:29 PM UTC
Mike,cool build so far. And I like the pre-mud concept. Not a bad idea. At this stage do you also apply the mud under the fenders and other areas ?
gamodelmaker
Joined: May 07, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 03:31 PM UTC
great looking build thier mike. what do you use for your mud. 
modelguy2
Joined: March 09, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 03:19 AM UTC
"I like to use celluclay because you can make it look stringy as if there is some organic material in with the mud."
"Mike,cool build so far. And I like the pre-mud concept. Not a bad idea. At this stage do you also apply the mud under the fenders and other areas ?"
Yes it would have been added if I wanted any more.
"Mike,cool build so far. And I like the pre-mud concept. Not a bad idea. At this stage do you also apply the mud under the fenders and other areas ?"
Yes it would have been added if I wanted any more.
modelguy2
Joined: March 09, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 05:11 AM UTC
more progress last night
Nito74
Joined: March 04, 2008
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 10:38 PM UTC
The Brummbar got his first coat of Dark Yellow.
The wheels are almost done.
Also got started last weekend a Su-122 with german markings, the Tamyia old kit.
Might get a winter wash too...
Bright pics soon.
The wheels are almost done.
Also got started last weekend a Su-122 with german markings, the Tamyia old kit.
Might get a winter wash too...
Bright pics soon.
vindicare_assassin
Joined: August 28, 2008
KitMaker: 31 posts
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 01:49 AM UTC
Today is full of firsts for me on this forum 
First post, first campain and first time i've tryed to load photos up from my newfangled phone/camera dohiky, so I hope this works
With thanks to our current financial climate i've found myself temperaraly un-employed
the upside of which is I managed to finish this last night.
Right here goes.....
Well would you look at that ....it works! Bigger pics though next time me thinks!?
First post, first campain and first time i've tryed to load photos up from my newfangled phone/camera dohiky, so I hope this works With thanks to our current financial climate i've found myself temperaraly un-employed
the upside of which is I managed to finish this last night.Right here goes.....
Well would you look at that ....it works! Bigger pics though next time me thinks!?
modelguy2
Joined: March 09, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 05:13 AM UTC
Finished
emroglan
Joined: December 16, 2004
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 07:34 AM UTC
Hello everyone,
I am at the point of having a rage attack and breaking my model by throwing it at the wall. It's the stupid AFV Club workable tracks... They should have been called "fall apart" instead of workable. Slightest attempt at adjustment and they start falling apart. Did any one work with them before?
Really, just because of the tracks, I might abandon my Paladin and drop from this campaign. I've had it tonight. It's been 2 hours and I still couldn't properly place the tracks on one side, they keep falling apart.
I am at the point of having a rage attack and breaking my model by throwing it at the wall. It's the stupid AFV Club workable tracks... They should have been called "fall apart" instead of workable. Slightest attempt at adjustment and they start falling apart. Did any one work with them before?
Really, just because of the tracks, I might abandon my Paladin and drop from this campaign. I've had it tonight. It's been 2 hours and I still couldn't properly place the tracks on one side, they keep falling apart.
muddyfields
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 08:19 AM UTC
Hello
Some very nice builds.
I'm just about ready to prime mine will hopefully get some pictures taken & put on soon.
Some very nice builds.
I'm just about ready to prime mine will hopefully get some pictures taken & put on soon.
modelguy2
Joined: March 09, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 10:32 AM UTC
Emre,
Any plastic track that "clicks" together and is supposed to work is just not gonna happen. You need to glue them together.
HTH
Mike T
Any plastic track that "clicks" together and is supposed to work is just not gonna happen. You need to glue them together.
HTH
Mike T
Nito74
Joined: March 04, 2008
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 10:19 PM UTC
Emre, I have the same problem with the Magic Tracks from Dragon, even with glue they fall apart...
emroglan
Joined: December 16, 2004
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 11:24 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Emre,
Any plastic track that "clicks" together and is supposed to work is just not gonna happen. You need to glue them together.
HTH
Mike T
I know that, I will glue them once I can give them their shape. However, they move around before I can glue them and while I am trying to give them shape, a part falls off. Then another part comes off, and it goes on like that.
Can't glue them directly, because the tracks tend to wiggle and be crooked. I ran out of patience yesterday, it was like trying to plug a breaking dam with your fingers.
Nito74
Joined: March 04, 2008
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 11:43 PM UTC
I understand your frustration... same thing happened to me with a Dragon Magic Tracks Panzer I, they kept falling apart. The only single track link I made ok were some ModelKasten, the small pins require patience but they work !
I have so many Drgon kits to finish... are they all going to be that way damn
I have so many Drgon kits to finish... are they all going to be that way
damnmodelguy2
Joined: March 09, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 01:03 AM UTC
You have to glue the tracks as you assemble them. I put out a puddle of cement and dip the track in it lightly to get a bit of glue where it will connect and assemble the tracks in runs of whatever's convenient. Sometimes a assemble a length of tracks and run a brush of liquid cenment along them. After a few minutes the tracks are set enough that they won't come apart yet can be shaped as you like.
Nito74
Joined: March 04, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 01:36 AM UTC
Some updated pics:
The Brummbar got the 2nd coat of dark yellow, wheels will be ready this weekend I hope.
The Brummbar got the 2nd coat of dark yellow, wheels will be ready this weekend I hope.
muddyfields
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 01:41 AM UTC
Hi
have you tried liquid cement to tack them together . let that dry a little just so they stay together but are still flexible then place them on the wheels/sprocket & then go over them with a little bit more of the liquid cement.. It's very fiddly but it usually works.
Never use ordinary cement only the liquid brush on type when ever I've done these type of tracks.
have you tried liquid cement to tack them together . let that dry a little just so they stay together but are still flexible then place them on the wheels/sprocket & then go over them with a little bit more of the liquid cement.. It's very fiddly but it usually works.
Never use ordinary cement only the liquid brush on type when ever I've done these type of tracks.
beefy66
Joined: October 22, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 01:42 AM UTC
Emre when I did my Dragon link tracks for my sherman I put some masking tape down on my worck bench with the sticky side up and assembled the tracks on the masking tape to hold in place like that then did the same as Mike and ran a small amount of liquide poly on to the traks. Just a suggestion it worked for me hope this helps. 
beefy66
Joined: October 22, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 11:51 PM UTC
This is a more or less finnished job on my M8 Howitzer got it all dusted up now to the dio for later.
vanize
Joined: January 30, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 01:45 PM UTC
very nice M8, Keith! I esp like the dust/earth tones.
don't forget to upload a few pics to the campaign gallery.
don't forget to upload a few pics to the campaign gallery.
beefy66
Joined: October 22, 2007
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 01:48 AM UTC
Vance having a problem with posting photo,s in gallrey link on first page only brings me to a blank with check for correct spelling, Is their another link I,ve missed or has anone else had problems with the link, 
PantherF
Joined: June 10, 2005
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 03:36 AM UTC
Hang in there Sean, things will get better. And your Brummbar looks great!
pigsty
Joined: January 16, 2007
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 10:22 PM UTC
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Quoted TextEmre,
Any plastic track that "clicks" together and is supposed to work is just not gonna happen. You need to glue them together.
HTH
Mike T
I know that, I will glue them once I can give them their shape. However, they move around before I can glue them and while I am trying to give them shape, a part falls off. Then another part comes off, and it goes on like that.
Can't glue them directly, because the tracks tend to wiggle and be crooked. I ran out of patience yesterday, it was like trying to plug a breaking dam with your fingers.
This is all very strange. Mine were a push-fit - it was almost too difficult to get them to come apart, so much so that I managed to break one locating pin, and I could wiggle them around with no problem. If they're (mis)behaving like Magic Tracks, all the other tips on here are good ones. Don't chuck it at the wall, it's looking too good for that!
vindicare_assassin
Joined: August 28, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 08:35 AM UTC
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Hang in there Sean, things will get better. And your Brummbar looks great!
Thanks for your support mate and glad you like it
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