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DML#6383 Tiger 1 Turret Zimmerit Mod
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 08:53 AM UTC
I've no idea what that is but it's not part of a Tiger torsion bar.

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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 06:11 PM UTC
Hi again Phil. Just been catching up with the thread again ... read through it from start to finish and saved the pages. Kudos for what you´ve done so far and also for keeping it going since Dec 2008. Ive bought books with less info.
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 12:50 AM UTC
Phil Excellent work. I haven't seen this blog in a while and it was sure nice to catch up on it. You are really giving a clinic here on the Tiger and your work is absolutely fantastic. Thanks for sharing.

David.

P.S. thanks for your comments on my DAK Tiger 112 build.
Much appreciated.
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 11:23 AM UTC
Hi Phil,
Your super detailling work continues. Very nice 'Junk trunk' and interior. Looking forward to seeing how those turret link clamp numbers turn out, miniscule work I expect...

"Is the toothed item in the cut out for the turret lifting lug in the 'Rommelkiste'of '211'D a torsion bar end?"

I'm not saying it's a bottle.. But it looks like something in a wicker/straw protection sleeve. Like you might see on a machined engine/running gear part, ammo shell, wine jug etc. Just a thought???
This idea:


Grant.
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Posted: Monday, May 10, 2010 - 10:35 AM UTC
Evening all!

Thanks for the time pondering over my query David, at least I won't have to scratch a broken torsion bar end!

And thanks Grant for your ever keen eye... Now I look a bit closer, I think that it is a wicker wrapped bottle, perhaps it is a bottle of Calvados, or even a choice bottle from La Cidrerie next to Wittmann's Tigers on the evening of 12/13th June 44'? ... Whatever it is it will certainly add to the jumble of looted,liberated and strewn items around '211' D!
Have you any AM experience of 1/35 wine bottles etc? I only know of Plus Model, and Verlinden who manufacture suitable looking bottles of plonk!

Hello Frank! Thanks for dropping by, awesome job on the T34 by the way, the amount of work that went into all those bricks and cobbles is mind boggling. Also many thanks for the extremely kind words on the blog. I am glad that a niggly moment on my part, with the help of others has become a positive thing, that has use for others.

Hello David (armor-dude) I thank you also my friend for the words of encouragement, they will certainly help me get over this watershed of work versus workbench stalemate I have going on at the moment. And your Tunisian Tiger, truly deserved high praise... It is simply awesome, and the colour of the paint-job looks great.

Right then, slow work on the scratch/modding of the drivers compartment (I got the turret to do next! ) but I have had a few build related deliveries...
First these absolutely outstanding Tetra Fire Extinguishers, courtesy of Orange Model.



They are a 'mini kit' in their own right... The decals are a great addition. These should really give any German WWII AFV that little extra... Though '211'D does not have it's extinguisher in place.

Also a portion of the next lacquer based paint system has arrived. Gaia, not globally well known, but gaining a fan base. Just a bit tricky to get hold of in Europe.
A two part set for German armour, that covers North Africa and the later war Tricolour schemes, that includes two 'Dunkelgelbs'! This paint system can be thinned with many auto industry standard thinners. Dries rapid, and the 'finish' of the coverage can be adjusted to suit, either semi gloss, high gloss or matt, just as in a body shop. I am not so sure if I am going to use it exclusively on '211'D, but will on the other '211'.

Next up something for Rob (scratchmod)!

Just started playing around with this, so not quite sure about it yet. Though from first experiment, it could be a bit too rough for a recently 'Toasted Tiger'!


Right off to build a seat support frame etc...


Thanks for the continuing interest... Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Monday, May 10, 2010 - 10:49 AM UTC
Hey Phil

I'm just getting caught up on this cool tiger. Looking VERY nice Phil. I like the partial interior, just too bad most of it will not be seen.

For a burnt tank I would stick to paint and not the Scenic Rust. Like you said and found out, it is too thick and out of scale for a burnt tank. If your going for a corroded look it is pretty good, but un-controllable.

Keep those up dates coming buddy, she's looking good.

Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 10:00 PM UTC
Hi Phil,
Those Orangehobby FE's look very very nice.
I'm interested what the Gaia paints will be like, especially the 2 Dunkelgelb types.

"Have you any AM experience of 1/35 wine bottles etc? "

Personally I prefer the 1/1 scale, they get me where I wanna be faster...
Apart from Plus-models and Verlinden that you've already mentioned, I know Accurate Armour do wine bottles in different coloured clear plastic.
Under this HLJ/Plus-models link there's more bottle options in the "related items" (under the pic) :
http://www.hlj.com/product/PLM0220

I can't see any wicker wrapped ones though. The Verlinden sets 1005,1204 or 1643 look to contain the best options.

Also, while I was looking, I noticed this Tiger engine from verlinden (1360).


Can you/anyone tell me if it's the early or the later type?

Cheers, Grant.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 10:41 PM UTC
That engine has 2 round air filters, therefore it's the Tiger E engine HL 230 introduced in May 1943.

David
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 10:42 PM UTC
Hi Rob!
You are spot om as usual with the insight on 'rusting', the 'Scenic Rust' is amazing stuff... But as you state, a little too textured for burnt plate. Perhaps as the armoured 'vandalism virus' courses slowly through my veins, I can find a use for it, perhaps thin sheet and exhausts? So paint and pastels it is! Cheers for the back up Rob.

Hello Grant! Thank you indeed for the link to those wine bottles... You knowing me better than myself, I'll have to purchase the lot... Maybe a destroyed Cafe in a Normandy Village would benefit from the 'spares'?
If you want to 'get there quicker' then Gaia are definitely the paints for you! Using a Toluene type solvent, they are certainly 'aromatic', but if they are anything like the Gunze lacquers, they should be good... Mind you with the fumes, I'll probably believe that anything I paint with them will look top class!
The Verlinden Maybach Powerplant is the later HL230 P45, with the larger twin filters mounted on the head of the powerplant, whereas the earlier HL210 P45 had three slightly smaller filters. ...How did you know my next 'shopping spree' was further interior components?






Right then I'll see if I can find the workbench again today!

Cheers for looking in, back real soon... Phil.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 04:09 AM UTC
Thanks for the which engine answer and explanations David and Phil. I'm away from my references so I couldn't look it up.

PS: This arrived yesterday:

Atakmodel.istore are selling them off, 30euros under retail.
It should make a very nice Tiger base..
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 07:44 AM UTC
Your Tiger is really looking great so far. I always appreciate it when someone takes the time and effort to post their in progress work, it is very helpful to an amatuer builder like myself! I also appreciate all the comments and helpful hints and information that others post in these threads, as they make all our builds better

Keep on building, I am looking forward to seeing it finished!
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Posted: Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 06:44 AM UTC
Wotcha! Did you miss me? Nah! Didn't think so!
Much apologies for the leave of absence, vacation, work, illness and 'Strit' have all conspired against the final push on this poor unfortunate Kitty...
Hello Grant my good friend! Hows the weather in Groningen this fine arvo? That ATAK Schwere Flatbed is just what I was looking for a while back... I think you may have just lightened my wallet even more. I have just been on a rather large AM spree of late, probably as a surrogacy for the lack of modelling... More of that though over the next few weeks.

Hello Kirk! First my apologies for the delay in responding to your very kind words of encouragement. I am really happy that you find this blog useful, I am looking all the time for tips, techniques and methods to improve my modelling and will always pass on the results as those before us have handed down their knowledge base and skills. I think that with a lot of new methods and systems coming through in the AFV modelling world, it is important not to let some of the older but still effective and enhancing techniques disappear... I think looking at Rob Ferreria's awesome wrecks, that I might have to call on every trick in the book to finish of this Tiger!

Right what have I been up to? From the following images you will be able to see all those 'fiddly' and 'mashed up' bits and bobs, that take up so much time now on the Tiger!

Here you can see the mangled Bosch light 'temporarily' attached along with the remaining front mudguard.

Some more of the empty and destroyed stowage fittings on the Rear Hull Plate have been attached... Along with some work to the wrecked exhaust remnants on the right hand side.

I have added the securing bolts for the 'totaled' skirts, using the very 'nifty' MasterClub 0.8mm Resin Hex Bolts (Great stuff Grant ) These just slide into place when an adequate hole is drilled into the moulded on lug nuts on the hulls sponson side.

Also the 'redundant' fixings for the track cable have been added to the left hand side.

Upon the hull roof and and engine deck the clamps for the heaving towing cables have been represented using Voyagers excellent Tiger 1 late PE set.



So that is it for now, I will have to see if those Gods of Modelling Chaos will be kind and favour my attempts at getting this Cat ready for paint very soon! ...Rob best get some Beer in the fridge!

Thank you all so much for persevering... Cheers Phil!
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Posted: Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 06:49 AM UTC
Hey Phil, funny I just checked to see if you posted and update, and book marked the pigment weathering on the wheels, and wow what a surprise. You never let us (me) down with the newest update. The kat looks fantastic, a shame to have to paint it even if it is a wreck.
Hope you got my email !!!

And yes the beer is going in the fridge for the next round of pics.

Rob
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Posted: Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 07:01 AM UTC
Well hello Rob!

I will check my e-mails... Just been ticking by on the works on of late! I am thinking 'Abrams' for the toasted edges with a soupcon of Scratchmod Scorching for the barbecued portion. It should really give a stark contrast to the rather untouched left flank!
I will savour my 'Tall Boy' DAB (Dortmunder Actien Brauerie) and thank you for the impetus and inspiration for this build...
Cheers Rob, Phil!
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Posted: Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 07:50 AM UTC
Great job Phil! I am also just getting off vacation and have to get back up to modeling speed!
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Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010 - 04:45 AM UTC
Hi Phil,
Great to see this one back on the go.. I was getting worried
The build's looking better and better. I'm sure all the detailling will be worth it come finishing time.
Glad to hear you're still under the control of the the AM Gods.

Your blog's evntually inspired me; I've just finished zimming Tamiya's Mid with Tamiya epoxy 'smooth'.
It's not brilliant but I'm happy with it and I prefer the look to resin sheet zim.

Looking forward to your next Tiger installment,
Cheers, Grant.
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Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 - 11:58 PM UTC
G'day To one and all!

Hi there Dan! a rare spell of good weather held sway over any plans of late, so vacation it was! But it's standard British 'Summer' now... And perfect modelling weather! Rain!!!



Hello Grant! You were getting worried!? I had forgotten what the smell of Tamiya Extra Thin and Cyno smelt like!
The old AM fever has now got me 'good' it is firmly entrenched into my soul. It will now be a quest to try and get access to every Tiger 1 AM item produced!
Fantastic news on the 'Zimming' front Grant, you will have to send me some images of it. That news has made my week

On the issue of AM 'fever'... These neat packs from 'Fukuya' are a little special... Just a pity that they do not produce anymore specific Tiger items.
Here are the sets. Cleaning Rods,Track Pins, and Turret lifting lugs!



And here are the Lifting Lugs, attached to a Turret... Very nice!





Pity that they did not get here in time for the 'Doppelganger' eh?

Back ASAP, with some more of the builds...

Cheers Phil.


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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 - 08:33 PM UTC
Top 'o' the mornin' to you all!

I thought I would share a bit of a crazy idea with you, regarding the basing for this current Tiger build '211 Doppelganger'! ...Due to the current weather here in Blighty, I have been catching up on a few work related 'outdoor projects', I had a lunch hour to spare, various saws, a power planer, and MDF!
...This is what I came up with. A bit big, perhaps a tad whacky, but it seems like a good idea in my addled mind!





There you go! Now looking at the images of this wreck, I began to realise how steep the little bank running away from the road, that this Tiger rolled (or was it pushed?) down and ended up in the undergrowth. I think it will enhance this 'Tamed Tiger', giving it a certain poise... What do you think? I am going to Zimmerit the border of the sub-base, around the 'cut out' for the Leibstandarte Divisional Emblem. The thickness of the MDF is not in scale to the rear hull plate or the Glacis... Sorry David

Now whilst looking for some Zimmerit images of Tiger B's, this will interest Paul (Weirdy) ...Some more of those wooden gun travel lock blocks on this capture of the refitted s.Pz.Abt.503... Two non the less! Must have been the 'must have' Tiger accessory for '44' eh?



Right I am off to explain why we need a bigger display case.

Cheers Phil.

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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 03:22 AM UTC
Are you having trouble in getting the hull top plate to sit into the sides?

David
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 03:38 AM UTC
This is one of the greatest topics I've ever seen on a modeller forum ! Congratulations !

Your project is superb !

No I have nothing to add, nothing to help you with, for this is simply stunning !

Guygantic !
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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2010 - 08:06 PM UTC
Good 'Morrow' patient people!
That blighted work 'thang' keeps getting in the way of life... But I suppose Tiger funds have to come from somewhere?

Hello David! Sorry for the late reply... The hull roof has had the tabs cut from the front aspect of the piece, as the verlinden 'Through the hatch' interior's drivers/bow Mg glacis plate interior part calls for this. The hull roof will fit very snugly when held down, but I am still waiting for addition AM for the fighting compartment floor, and painstakingly adding the 'visible' detail (probably not my best idea in retrospect... A very probable in depth study needed for next time, rather than relying on an off the shelf solution eh? Or perhaps the CMK sets instead?) Thanks for the concern for the patient, together we will pull this Tiger through!

Hello and welcome on board Guy!
Thank you for your extremely kind words, it all helps fuel the drive forwards with this saga. If you happen to be near Spa Francorchamps at the end of August, I'll buy the first round... By the way that PzI is looking awesome, excellent paint job Guy. Thank you again for sharing, the colour tones will aid my painting of some 42' and early 43' Tiger 1's.

Well after 'breaking rocks in the hot sun' all week, I have managed to get a little more done on the base and the Tiger!



Now the first part of the update might seem a bit 'mad' (it made perfect sense to me at the time though!) I have managed to procur the ingredients to make up a small batch of Zimmerit... More about this later in an 'elseworld'!
And after priming, the sub-baseboard, and airbrushing a metalizzed black/brown layer before giving it a 'Rot Oxid' primer, and a cheeky bit of 'hair gel' I set about Zimmeriting it up with a plasterers trowel... A long story, the scrap merchant did not have a gear big enough, and I did not have the time to construct a wooden 'roller tool'... So a trowel it was. Firstly the 'cut out' for the unit's 'crossed skeleton keys' armoured shield emblem was 'masked' with sellotape (not sure if masking tape would have stood up to all the moisture!) then a 10mm smooth coating was applied, and left to air dry for a while (this stuff is extremley sticky... And not to pleasent smelling either!) After a few hours the pattern of ridges was 'raised' from the surface with the end of the flat trowel. (Much the same way that you would use the 'screwdriver technique in 1/35 realising of Zimmerit). After this had dried for a few mor hours the tape demarking the emblems cut-out area was removed.
Then a couple of days in the baking sun of Northwest England, and the base coat of Dunkelgelb was AB'd on. When a satisfactory coverage had been achieved, a light scrub with a damp brush (for the basecoat damage) the cut-out area was onece again masked before the subsequent apllications of Red Brown and a Light Olive Green for the camoflage.
The unit's distinctive emblem was painted by hand with Vallejo 'Off white' acrylic. Rather fetching I think... And after all that Lisa say's we cannot use it for a dooor number plaque...
Seriously now, what do you kind and knowledgable people think about the next stages of painting and weathering upon this piece? Washes,filters, 'big' dot filters, pigments? This is a whole new area to me so I think some help will be required upon that front... Though I will add some rust (just for Rob! ) around the edgedes and on the 'knocks' when it progresses further. Well here goes nothing.

And here with it's 'Top' on.





So there you go... A bit 'mad', a tad 'big', but great fun...

Cheers Phil!

http://barkmannscorner.blogspot.com/

http://zimmerit-it.blogspot.com/

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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2010 - 11:42 PM UTC
Hi Phil,
It's not mad ( not for a Madcunian ).
I like it, great idea and something I've never seen before.
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Posted: Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 11:48 PM UTC
Hello out there! Back again...

Hi Grant! 'Madcunian'! I'll have you know that I am a 'Cheshire Cat' by birth! I was just lucky enough to escape North down the A6, past 'border control' at McVities. I am glad you like the avant garde base board, I'll see what else I can rustle up along the way... Any Tigers in the pipeline maestro?

Well after much thought and personal debate, I have decided to continue with the 'through the hatch' interior within the 'Doppelganger'. I have had creeping doubts, about the accuracy of the parts and the locations within the very lacklustre instructions, since David brought up a raft of discrepancies when the box was unpacked initially. So with many viewable items missing, I have decided to utilise some of the 'usable items' from the Academy kit's. The Firewall, and 88mm ammunition stowage bins being few, the rest will have to be scratched... I think the CMK interior sets will be on the cards for the Hybrid, and City Fighting 'Hummel' Tigers.

Well how does she look, at the moment? ...Empty, but colourful! I have used mixes of the Gaia colours brown and red tones, to put down a sub-coat prior to the distressing of the interior. (Is this dark enough Rob?) The Gaia paint system being lacquer based mixes well with standard automotive thinners, (a bit whiffy though! So masks on chaps!) Thinned to a 50/50 ratio it acts similar to Tamiya Lacquers, giving a bit of a surface 'tooth', whereas a 70/30 mix yields a nice dull satin finish. I am still waiting for the ranges specific thinners, so stay tuned for further testing. One thing of note, is despite it being a rather aggressive medium using 'aromatic solvents' it does not really bite into the styrene when airbrushed! As can be seen from the scratches when test fitting the interiors.



Some of the interior ready for a toasting, and a game of shell case ping pong!




Some of the more structual items placed in the turret, prior to the softer more damagable items and stowage.





One thing that puzzles me about this Tiger is the damage, and fire evidence... on the left flank it is quite 'beaten up' with very little evidence of a catasrhopic blaze... Yet the fire upon the right upper hull portion has been intense enough to remove the Zimmerit on the turret, and create enough heat to 'detach' the two spare track clamp assembelies both on the turret roof lip, and the outer turret wall. I personally am starting to think that it could have been simply abandonned, with the 'spite shots' coming later. Or that it was 'flanked' and taken down with a 'rump' shot. Still even 'standing in the water' the pattern and location of the fire damage is strange. Though I suppose nothing is impossible eh? But it must have not had much fuel in it's tanks, what do you think?

Back with some tracks over the weekend!

Happy Holidays... Cheers Phil.
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Posted: Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 06:23 AM UTC
Some nice progress Phil. Must say you kept us waiting a while for this up date, but as always it's well worth the wait buddy.
The dark brown base color looks right to me, it's the same color I always use as a base.
I've been itching to start on another cat, a jagdPanther, before moving up to the Tigers. I'm slowly getting bored with the rust buckets and want a new challange. This wreck of yours is what I need to get back into the wrecks and take a break from the rust.
Keep the posts coming Phil.

Rob
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