Hi Guys,
Ok I removed the wax and tried Jeremy's method of Squadron White putty mixed with nail polish remover. i finished all areas of hull may tackle the turret tormorrow
I also thinned out the side skirt and cut them into sections, there has got to be an easier way to make Zim
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ltb073
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 06:43 AM UTC
Bigrip74
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 10:40 AM UTC
@ Sal: the Zim is looking good and remember the next time will be easier, and then the next .
@ Wouter: your build is looking good so far, how was the assembly?
Bob
@ Wouter: your build is looking good so far, how was the assembly?
Bob
thebear
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Posted: Monday, January 03, 2011 - 09:48 AM UTC
Good job guys keep up the good work.. Sal zimmerit can be a pain to add and you're doing fine...
Wouter..good start on your initial ..Tamiya cut a few corners but it's not a bad kit ..
I didn't get much done during the holidays but here's what I did do ...built up and painted the radiators and fan section that will be about as visable as a needle in a haystack... Just did a very quick job on them (on top of that there ia another piece that covers the gas tanks!!!)
I also built up th jack and changed the handle using fine wire...
I was going to change the clamp for a PE one but after a bit of cleaning up with an exacto knife it'll look just fine as is..
Not much but hey!
Rick
Wouter..good start on your initial ..Tamiya cut a few corners but it's not a bad kit ..
I didn't get much done during the holidays but here's what I did do ...built up and painted the radiators and fan section that will be about as visable as a needle in a haystack... Just did a very quick job on them (on top of that there ia another piece that covers the gas tanks!!!)
I also built up th jack and changed the handle using fine wire...
I was going to change the clamp for a PE one but after a bit of cleaning up with an exacto knife it'll look just fine as is..
Not much but hey!
Rick
BigCat
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Posted: Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:12 PM UTC
Hi Rick. I thought the fuel tanks and fan blades were supposed to be silver.
My Tiger is almost finished building. I still have a small problem with the front missing zimmerit. Then some photos and I will begin painting.
Cheers!
My Tiger is almost finished building. I still have a small problem with the front missing zimmerit. Then some photos and I will begin painting.
Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:28 PM UTC
Peter: Awesome choice, the 512th had some great looking machines! Which markings are you going to be shooting for, I'm guessing X7?
Sal: How did you like that method? I find creating zimm from scratch to be a major PITA as well
Richard: I agree about the jack, good call
BigCat: with a name like that I'm really looking forward to seeing your build
Sal: How did you like that method? I find creating zimm from scratch to be a major PITA as well
Richard: I agree about the jack, good call
BigCat: with a name like that I'm really looking forward to seeing your build
ltb073
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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 02:24 AM UTC
Jeremy, It went on smother and gave me more time to work with it but no matter what I did my fingers still went numb Now I just have a small portion of the turret to finish, should get to it today Then hopefully some more pic's
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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 07:44 AM UTC
Jeremy:
Yep, I'm looking to do "X7". I'm doing a small dio to try to recreate a still from the surrender video where a troop laden X7 moves off the parade grounds past a group of watchful GIs lounging on their jeep.
best, P
Yep, I'm looking to do "X7". I'm doing a small dio to try to recreate a still from the surrender video where a troop laden X7 moves off the parade grounds past a group of watchful GIs lounging on their jeep.
best, P
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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 08:00 AM UTC
Sal: I'm glad it helped out, and I fear the numb hand syndrome is inherent to homemade zimm... I bought a couple of tools to try out for zimm, but I'm pretty sure that my hand will be at least partially asleep by the time I finish a panzer's hull
P: Right on! I know which video you are talking about, and that's a good choice
P: Right on! I know which video you are talking about, and that's a good choice
exer
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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 09:10 AM UTC
Okay I'm ready to jump in with both feet- This will be my first Tiger (Not counting the Airfix one I built in 1978), I plan on doing two in tandem two, Tamiya's Late version and DML's 3 in 1 6406.
I plan on adding zimmerit using the Modelkasten Zimmerit Coating Applicator.
Are there any diagrams online showing the different variations in patterns and sizes of zimmerit on Tiger 1s?
Some photos show larger Zimmerit ridges on the turret compared to those on the hull.
I plan on adding zimmerit using the Modelkasten Zimmerit Coating Applicator.
Are there any diagrams online showing the different variations in patterns and sizes of zimmerit on Tiger 1s?
Some photos show larger Zimmerit ridges on the turret compared to those on the hull.
BigCat
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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 03:12 PM UTC
BigCat: with a name like that I'm really looking forward to seeing your build [/quote]
Actually Jeremy the name Big Cat was given to me by a fellow modeler when I began building a 1/48 Catalina a few years ago It also helps that I am 6'2 and 250.
So when my friend Rick The Bear (Who actually looks the part) dragged me into this campaign I thought of reviving the old name...
Actually Jeremy the name Big Cat was given to me by a fellow modeler when I began building a 1/48 Catalina a few years ago It also helps that I am 6'2 and 250.
So when my friend Rick The Bear (Who actually looks the part) dragged me into this campaign I thought of reviving the old name...
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Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 11:18 AM UTC
Okay I figured I'd go ahead and put this up. It's the 1/35 Academy Early Tiger 1 (no interior). I'll probably try to keep it as "out of the box" as possible, though I want to replace the tracks and probably add a bit here and there as I go. I haven't decided on the scheme. Maybe Wittman's S04 or A02 of Grossdutschland.
vonHengest
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Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 03:14 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextBigCat: with a name like that I'm really looking forward to seeing your build
Actually Jeremy the name Big Cat was given to me by a fellow modeler when I began building a 1/48 Catalina a few years ago It also helps that I am 6'2 and 250.
So when my friend Rick The Bear (Who actually looks the part) dragged me into this campaign I thought of reviving the old name...
Very cool either way you cut it, I'm a big fan of Catalinas as well
You guys sound like you you're having to much fun with scale modeling, and that's a good thing
BigSmitty
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Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 06:10 PM UTC
It's been a while since I posted an update. Busy week between Christmas and New Year's Day, and getting back to a more normal routine. I actually have PROGRESS photos this time...
The assemblies:
The indy tracks in the upper left aren't glued together yet. I only got 60 cleaned up before my butt went numb on my seat..
Mantle Zimmerit detail:
I realized the kit had a Cavalier Tiger I Zimm kit in the bottom of it (got it off eBay) and used the kit. MAN it's nice. I screwed up some places, but it comes with a Zimm tool so I can touch up later on.
Zimm piece for the rear hull:
Turret Escape Hatch Zimm:
The Cavalier set is paper thin resin for the zimmerit pieces, with a resin mantle for the gun, and a resin escape hatch for the right side of the turret, along with the aforementioned zimm tool. It's an Aussie company and I am very impressed. They are still in business (this kit is almost a decade old) and make generic Zimm pieces as well as specific kit Zimm sets. Almost all 1/35 but they are making some nice 1/48 stuff from what I saw earlier.
Everything is dry fit (upper hull, lower hull, turret and gun) for now. I have to figure out how to add some depth to the engine grills, as looking in them now shows a whole lot of empty. I may just cardstock them in and paint it black, not sure. All the wheels are painted and ready for install. I should be priming and basecoating by the end of the week, hopefully.
The assemblies:
The indy tracks in the upper left aren't glued together yet. I only got 60 cleaned up before my butt went numb on my seat..
Mantle Zimmerit detail:
I realized the kit had a Cavalier Tiger I Zimm kit in the bottom of it (got it off eBay) and used the kit. MAN it's nice. I screwed up some places, but it comes with a Zimm tool so I can touch up later on.
Zimm piece for the rear hull:
Turret Escape Hatch Zimm:
The Cavalier set is paper thin resin for the zimmerit pieces, with a resin mantle for the gun, and a resin escape hatch for the right side of the turret, along with the aforementioned zimm tool. It's an Aussie company and I am very impressed. They are still in business (this kit is almost a decade old) and make generic Zimm pieces as well as specific kit Zimm sets. Almost all 1/35 but they are making some nice 1/48 stuff from what I saw earlier.
Everything is dry fit (upper hull, lower hull, turret and gun) for now. I have to figure out how to add some depth to the engine grills, as looking in them now shows a whole lot of empty. I may just cardstock them in and paint it black, not sure. All the wheels are painted and ready for install. I should be priming and basecoating by the end of the week, hopefully.
spacewolfdad
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 12:31 AM UTC
Hi Matt,
Really enjoyed seeing your post and I think the zimmerit set is first rate. I was interested in your comment about 'no depth' to what was beneath the grills and thinking of putting card stock to blank them off. I had a sudden idea ( ) that I have never seen done anywhere and might work for larger scale models (I do mostly Braille and the problem doesn't really arise). Get a good photo of the interior of the Tiger engine bay (in colour) and reduce/enlarge to 1/35, then stick it under the grilles with a bit of a spacer to give depth. You then should have something to look at through the grilles. This is just a thought, you can rubbish it if you want, I won't be offended.
All the best,
Paul
Really enjoyed seeing your post and I think the zimmerit set is first rate. I was interested in your comment about 'no depth' to what was beneath the grills and thinking of putting card stock to blank them off. I had a sudden idea ( ) that I have never seen done anywhere and might work for larger scale models (I do mostly Braille and the problem doesn't really arise). Get a good photo of the interior of the Tiger engine bay (in colour) and reduce/enlarge to 1/35, then stick it under the grilles with a bit of a spacer to give depth. You then should have something to look at through the grilles. This is just a thought, you can rubbish it if you want, I won't be offended.
All the best,
Paul
ltb073
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 03:14 AM UTC
Hi Guys some great work here, got my Tiger all primed and ready for some paint
@ Matt, the Zim looks great and a lot better then my home made stuff, wish I would have know about that company before I attempted to make mine
@ Paul, I like your idea I may try it if I see emptiness under my grills
Hopefully I get a chance to put the base coat on tomorrow
@ Matt, the Zim looks great and a lot better then my home made stuff, wish I would have know about that company before I attempted to make mine
@ Paul, I like your idea I may try it if I see emptiness under my grills
Hopefully I get a chance to put the base coat on tomorrow
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 03:20 AM UTC
Matt & Paul,
Once the necessary screens are placed over those grills I think a black view-block should do the trick. I scratched up some fans for a 1:35 Panther (similar grills covered by mesh screens) a while back and was then crushed to find I couldn't really see them!
Tom
Once the necessary screens are placed over those grills I think a black view-block should do the trick. I scratched up some fans for a 1:35 Panther (similar grills covered by mesh screens) a while back and was then crushed to find I couldn't really see them!
Tom
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 07:10 AM UTC
Here's my problem:
As you can see, nothing underneath the grills. No screens provided, so I either have to shell out or scratch something to cover them.
So I may have to venture over to the LHS to see if there is a cheap way for me to fix these issues. I shouldn't complain. The kit had a $20 Cavalier Zimmerit kit in that I didn't know about, so technically I'm still $20 ahead, right?
As you can see, nothing underneath the grills. No screens provided, so I either have to shell out or scratch something to cover them.
So I may have to venture over to the LHS to see if there is a cheap way for me to fix these issues. I shouldn't complain. The kit had a $20 Cavalier Zimmerit kit in that I didn't know about, so technically I'm still $20 ahead, right?
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 07:39 AM UTC
Matt: The zimmerit looks great so far mate, really nice work on that.
About the fact that nothing is underneath the grilles: it was the same thing with mine: I just sprayed the inside matt black
I continued a bit on my Tiger, this kit really falls together and is much less complicated than my Dragon Tiger. I tried to make some new weld beds on the hull, trying different methods like milliput, styrene rod and stretched sprue (all three methods are new to me)
I also started on the fenders. First time making hinges, and boy, I was glad having the hinges tool from Griffon
After that I did the wingnuts next to the ballmount. Well, wingnut that is, since I lost one to the carpetmonster . Maybe I should try to inflict some battledamage next to the fender?
ballmount with one wingnut
right fender
first try at the weld using milliput
cheers fella's
About the fact that nothing is underneath the grilles: it was the same thing with mine: I just sprayed the inside matt black
I continued a bit on my Tiger, this kit really falls together and is much less complicated than my Dragon Tiger. I tried to make some new weld beds on the hull, trying different methods like milliput, styrene rod and stretched sprue (all three methods are new to me)
I also started on the fenders. First time making hinges, and boy, I was glad having the hinges tool from Griffon
After that I did the wingnuts next to the ballmount. Well, wingnut that is, since I lost one to the carpetmonster . Maybe I should try to inflict some battledamage next to the fender?
ballmount with one wingnut
right fender
first try at the weld using milliput
cheers fella's
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 08:24 AM UTC
Matt,
You can get AM screens, or make them if you can find suitable mesh. I got lucky and found some plastic lacey table mats in the "wedding" section of a local craft super-store, and now have enough screening for all the Tigers in the Third Reich! Here is some on an Italeri Tiger I built last year - I framed them with .010x.020 Evergreen strips...
Either way it really improves the look of a Tiger.
Tom
You can get AM screens, or make them if you can find suitable mesh. I got lucky and found some plastic lacey table mats in the "wedding" section of a local craft super-store, and now have enough screening for all the Tigers in the Third Reich! Here is some on an Italeri Tiger I built last year - I framed them with .010x.020 Evergreen strips...
Either way it really improves the look of a Tiger.
Tom
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 08:34 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Matt & Paul,
Once the necessary screens are placed over those grills I think a black view-block should do the trick. I scratched up some fans for a 1:35 Panther (similar grills covered by mesh screens) a while back and was then crushed to find I couldn't really see them!
Tom
Hi Tom,
Not being a large scale modeller I haven't encountered the problem Matt has. Like you, when I put PE screens on engine vents there is little to be seen in Braille Scale, but I wasn't sure about 1/35. Fortunately I am building the Academy Tiger with full interior, so the problem doesn't arise. I do think manufacturers could include a relief style blank, similar to those in the Dragon 1/72 kits to fit under the grilles, or is there an opportunity in the after-market area to be exploited here.
All the best,
Paul
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 08:47 AM UTC
Hi Paul,
There's no end of AM stuff for 1:35 Tigers! I'm just too cheap to buy it... (I'd bet there are ready-made low-relief radiator sections out there that could be slid into position after painting. After all, if I've thought it up, odds are somebody else has already beat me to it!)
Italeri's Tiger comes with a whole lotta nothing under the grills, but they give an engine block to put under the solid hatch in the middle...
Tom
There's no end of AM stuff for 1:35 Tigers! I'm just too cheap to buy it... (I'd bet there are ready-made low-relief radiator sections out there that could be slid into position after painting. After all, if I've thought it up, odds are somebody else has already beat me to it!)
Italeri's Tiger comes with a whole lotta nothing under the grills, but they give an engine block to put under the solid hatch in the middle...
Tom
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 11:17 AM UTC
So when my friend Rick The Bear (Who actually looks the part)
Hey ! I resemble that remark!
Rick
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 11:25 AM UTC
Tom,
Thanks for the idea on the screens. I have some mesh that I used to fix up some windows around the house (the square mesh to keep bugs out, etc) and dug it out. Made the frames for the right side for the inlet and exhaust. I'll see how the windowscreen mesh looks scale wise. I may have some brash mesh lurking somewhere as well. I know I saw it the other day, still in the plastic baggie with the cardboard backing...
Thanks for the idea on the screens. I have some mesh that I used to fix up some windows around the house (the square mesh to keep bugs out, etc) and dug it out. Made the frames for the right side for the inlet and exhaust. I'll see how the windowscreen mesh looks scale wise. I may have some brash mesh lurking somewhere as well. I know I saw it the other day, still in the plastic baggie with the cardboard backing...
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 11:36 AM UTC
Great work guys ! Matt the zimmerit looks great and I agree it's a lot easier than doing it yourself ..I would remove the zimmerit behind the mufflers though as Big Cat did on his ... And don't forget to add the second hole in the gun mantlet as only the final model tigers had the monocular sight ..
Wouter excellent job ob those fenders ...I give up when it comes to hinges!!
Hey guys don't worry about seeing inside ..some good old flat black paint will do just fine...
Matt ,Tamiya makes a set of grills for their tiger kits ..they can't be that expensive..
Pat the best article I've ever read about the different types of zimmerit is right here on Armorama ...hope you got a couple of hours to read the whole post!!
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/131182&page=1
Rick
Wouter excellent job ob those fenders ...I give up when it comes to hinges!!
Hey guys don't worry about seeing inside ..some good old flat black paint will do just fine...
Matt ,Tamiya makes a set of grills for their tiger kits ..they can't be that expensive..
Pat the best article I've ever read about the different types of zimmerit is right here on Armorama ...hope you got a couple of hours to read the whole post!!
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/131182&page=1
Rick
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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 11:35 PM UTC
Thanks Craig I've been pouring over Phil's blog. I had a go at the zimmerit after some trial and error on an old Nichimo Sherman (All it's good for). The method I ended up using was to roll the milliput out as thin as possible on a surface sprinkled with talc then peel it off with a scalpel, wet it and transfer it to the model. I roughed up the surface to provide a key for the milliput and pushed it into place using a damp brush. I trimmed it in situ and then used the modelkasten tools, dipping them in water to stop them sticking, I went over it several times.
Any comments welcome
Any comments welcome