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End of Days 2 Campaign
Tiger_213
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 11:41 AM UTC
Christopher, we all have access to a old cannon right? Even if you could find a cannon many aren't much more than displays due to the government regulations. Wouldn't want some nutter running around firing his cannon in public.... Though I have to agree with you on the black-powder bit, though I still wouldn't rely on anything that goes boom.
zontar
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 06:30 PM UTC
Black powder is an interesting concept and a cannon wouldn't be too hard to make. My Dad made one in the 70's that we would fire, without projectiles, every July 4th and on my birthday. The design projectile was a tuna fish can filled with concrete, but you could fill it with just about anything and send it down range. Ours was a muzzle loader though, so it took more time to reload. Not so good with the zombie horde coming.
Happy Modeling, -Zon
Happy Modeling, -Zon
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 11:12 PM UTC
Christopher i do agree with you on finding a cannon ..i dont know a single person who has one and bugger building it ..not that hard to make if you know engineering and how to calculate stress's cause if you get this wrong you will either blow yourself to bits or something else .
As for black power i myself wouldnt waste my time with it useless its used for black powder rifles for the shooting contests but other than that ,,nope not interested.
Its bloody hard to store and highly dangerous ..its useless if it gets wet and not as stable as alot of people think it is ..to much heat will cause this stuff to catch fire so its gotta be stored somewhere it can't get hot or wet ,,think i will stick with home made explosives which can be gotten from any hardware store and they can be very stable even when made .
For those luck enough to have a cannon ..there is only one shot you wanna shoot ..grape shot ..that will tear apart up to 20 zombies at once if they are dense enough but Zon is right ..muzzle loaders are slow but with a little extra work and the books i have you could build a breach loader without any real problems
I have to admit tho..if you did get one and it worked ..it could prove to be a useful thing to have at some point .
Phill
As for black power i myself wouldnt waste my time with it useless its used for black powder rifles for the shooting contests but other than that ,,nope not interested.
Its bloody hard to store and highly dangerous ..its useless if it gets wet and not as stable as alot of people think it is ..to much heat will cause this stuff to catch fire so its gotta be stored somewhere it can't get hot or wet ,,think i will stick with home made explosives which can be gotten from any hardware store and they can be very stable even when made .
For those luck enough to have a cannon ..there is only one shot you wanna shoot ..grape shot ..that will tear apart up to 20 zombies at once if they are dense enough but Zon is right ..muzzle loaders are slow but with a little extra work and the books i have you could build a breach loader without any real problems
I have to admit tho..if you did get one and it worked ..it could prove to be a useful thing to have at some point .
Phill
zontar
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 08:44 AM UTC
The trick with the breechloader is designing and constructing the breech lock to hold the pressures. For a muzzle loader this is easy as you just weld the end cap tight as it's really just an open ended pipe bomb.
I do agree with Phill on the instability and precariousnes of black powder. Much caution is required.
Happy Modeling, -zon
I do agree with Phill on the instability and precariousnes of black powder. Much caution is required.
Happy Modeling, -zon
Tiger_213
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 09:00 AM UTC
If you did manage to get a cannon, it would be fantastic for anti-survivors-who-want-to-steal-your-stuff duties.
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 10:47 AM UTC
Zon ,, It might not be as hard to make a breech loader as you think ..the first one was made around 1460 -70 so they been around for some time .
The easiest one to build would be a sliding breech block ..many times easier to build than a interrupted screw type breech .
And it would give you something to do when there's way to much down time
Phill
.The easiest one to build would be a sliding breech block ..many times easier to build than a interrupted screw type breech .
And it would give you something to do when there's way to much down time
Phill
zontar
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 03:23 PM UTC
Phill: Ah, yes!! Forgot about the old sliding breech lock. That would be simpler to build. Just today Amazon delivered to me "Backyard Ballistics", which includes designs for a variety of PVC cannons with various energy sources. I'm sure some of these would translate to steel pipe pretty easily. Can't wait to give some a try.
Happy Modeling, -zon
Happy Modeling, -zon
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 04:05 PM UTC
Holy crap Zon i totally forgot about the ol potato cannon ,,with a little bit of thinking those could come in very handy ..set up like a rank of ten of those and let rip with grape shot and look the hell out!!
Lets see a zombie horde make their way thru that lot .
Phill
Lets see a zombie horde make their way thru that lot .
Phill
zontar
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 05:55 PM UTC
Phill: That's what I'm talking about my friend!!! 
Happy Modeling, -zon
Happy Modeling, -zon
hofpig
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 09:42 PM UTC
Phil,
Love the idea of the potato cannon, sounds a right laugh, but not sure it would be accurate for a head shot LOL
Fortunatly for us in the UK we have scores of rusty old cannonss lying around (my father is a bit of a expert on them!) Just not sure I'd want to fire one unless I was really that desperate. Although having said that there are plenty of working replicas over here!
Paul
Love the idea of the potato cannon, sounds a right laugh, but not sure it would be accurate for a head shot LOL
Fortunatly for us in the UK we have scores of rusty old cannonss lying around (my father is a bit of a expert on them!) Just not sure I'd want to fire one unless I was really that desperate. Although having said that there are plenty of working replicas over here!
Paul
hofpig
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 09:48 PM UTC
A new one for everybody. I was at Euromillitaire at the weekend and I found these guy's.
http://www.dawnoftheapocalypse.com/
http://www.darkworldcreations.com/
I have to say they looked really good and in 1/24th they are a welcome addition to anyone in our line or work! What is not shown yet on their site is are or are going to do a range of vehicle add on sets again in 1/24th for things like old chevys. I saw some of these at the show and seemed to contain things like resin gun rings etc, plus they told me that they are planning to do things like 1/24th jerry cans etc. I am hopinmg they will do weapons soon.
Paul
http://www.dawnoftheapocalypse.com/
http://www.darkworldcreations.com/
I have to say they looked really good and in 1/24th they are a welcome addition to anyone in our line or work! What is not shown yet on their site is are or are going to do a range of vehicle add on sets again in 1/24th for things like old chevys. I saw some of these at the show and seemed to contain things like resin gun rings etc, plus they told me that they are planning to do things like 1/24th jerry cans etc. I am hopinmg they will do weapons soon.
Paul
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 11:19 PM UTC
Hey Paul .. Oh there wouldnt be many head shots with a potato cannon thats why i thought of grape shot ..its like a huge shot gun firing bearings the size of golf balls
Its basically used if your base starts to get a little busy for your liking and you want to thin them out a wee bit and hell it would be huge fun to see that at work
Your so bloody right about the amount of cannon there is in England ...i have never seen so many cannon laying about the place and i bet there's almost as many replicas as there is real ones so finding good ones wouldn't to hard a thing to do ,,here tho ,,yeah i could see me building some but i would use thick wall seamless steel pipe with a sliding breech ,,kinda want to build one now
Phill
Its basically used if your base starts to get a little busy for your liking and you want to thin them out a wee bit and hell it would be huge fun to see that at work
Your so bloody right about the amount of cannon there is in England ...i have never seen so many cannon laying about the place and i bet there's almost as many replicas as there is real ones so finding good ones wouldn't to hard a thing to do ,,here tho ,,yeah i could see me building some but i would use thick wall seamless steel pipe with a sliding breech ,,kinda want to build one now
Phill
Bluestab
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 05:28 PM UTC
A canon is going to devour powder. Assuming it takes 2.5 pounds of powder to fire a 12-pdr. canon that will use the equivalent of 350 50 grain shots fired from a 50 cal muzzle loader. I'm not sure the expenditure of powder would justify it. Maybe as last ditch defenses or to clear a path.
I'm wondering if you could make a pipe bomb or even a homemade claymore with less powder. Maybe set them up so the spray is around head level. I didn't check....all I need is Homeland Security knocking on my door.
Didn't Mythbusters build a canon made from a carved log? I think they made a canon out of duct tape too. I know they made one out of metal pipe.
I'm wondering if you could make a pipe bomb or even a homemade claymore with less powder. Maybe set them up so the spray is around head level. I didn't check....all I need is Homeland Security knocking on my door.
Didn't Mythbusters build a canon made from a carved log? I think they made a canon out of duct tape too. I know they made one out of metal pipe.
Tiger_213
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 05:51 PM UTC
Paul, I hope Euromillitaire was good! I really like the fat dude in Croq's eating someones leg.
Alex, Mythbusters made it out of leather, and a tree, if I remember right; but in a post-apocalyptic world where are you going to get that much leather that isn't stolen from jackets etc. of the newly dead? Any seams in your rolled-leather cannon would be a chance to blow yourself up. Plus I have to agree with the expenditure of powder. If you were to logically pick something that goes boom, it'd have to be a recoil-less rifle. It MIGHT be possible to find one at a military check-point.
Alex, Mythbusters made it out of leather, and a tree, if I remember right; but in a post-apocalyptic world where are you going to get that much leather that isn't stolen from jackets etc. of the newly dead? Any seams in your rolled-leather cannon would be a chance to blow yourself up. Plus I have to agree with the expenditure of powder. If you were to logically pick something that goes boom, it'd have to be a recoil-less rifle. It MIGHT be possible to find one at a military check-point.
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 06:03 PM UTC
Alex ,, Ya man totally agree about the black powder problem and the amounts ..hence the reason for the potato gun..no black powder needed or why not even go for a air cannon sort of thing ..all you need is a compressor and the ability to build it .
Agreed it would be prefect for clearing a path or last ditch defenses ,,they would work pretty damn well for that sort of thing .
Knowing the mates i have and the abilities we have we would be building cannons all over the place and knowing one of my mates who it nuts he would try to build a flying bomb with a cannon ..thats right up his alley
Pipe bombs and home made claymores are easy to make with the right ingredients and here we dont have to worry about the Department of Homeland Security Nazis ,we can say what ever we want and know we still can ..its really quite free man ,i do feel sorry for you guys having to put up with all that crap .
Yip Mythbusters did make those ,,wouldnt build a wooden one hardest part would be finding the right sort of wood and then there's the other problem of getting it ,Duct tape ..hell man we dont have that much here in NZ ,,we don't use it that much here but steel tho ..thats a different story ..there is more than enough steel pipe to be able to make a huge pile of cannons .
Phill
Agreed it would be prefect for clearing a path or last ditch defenses ,,they would work pretty damn well for that sort of thing .
Knowing the mates i have and the abilities we have we would be building cannons all over the place and knowing one of my mates who it nuts he would try to build a flying bomb with a cannon ..thats right up his alley
Pipe bombs and home made claymores are easy to make with the right ingredients
and here we dont have to worry about the Department of Homeland Security Nazis ,we can say what ever we want and know we still can ..its really quite free man ,i do feel sorry for you guys having to put up with all that crap . Yip Mythbusters did make those ,,wouldnt build a wooden one
hardest part would be finding the right sort of wood and then there's the other problem of getting it ,Duct tape ..hell man we dont have that much here in NZ ,,we don't use it that much here but steel tho ..thats a different story ..there is more than enough steel pipe to be able to make a huge pile of cannons . Phill
hofpig
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 09:08 PM UTC
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Paul, I hope Euromillitaire was good! I really like the fat dude in Croq's eating someones leg.
Alex, Mythbusters made it out of leather, and a tree, if I remember right; but in a post-apocalyptic world where are you going to get that much leather that isn't stolen from jackets etc. of the newly dead? Any seams in your rolled-leather cannon would be a chance to blow yourself up. Plus I have to agree with the expenditure of powder. If you were to logically pick something that goes boom, it'd have to be a recoil-less rifle. It MIGHT be possible to find one at a military check-point.
Chris, it was as good as it always is. And as for leather plenty of dead cows around!!
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 09:51 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextPaul, I hope Euromillitaire was good! I really like the fat dude in Croq's eating someones leg.
Alex, Mythbusters made it out of leather, and a tree, if I remember right; but in a post-apocalyptic world where are you going to get that much leather that isn't stolen from jackets etc. of the newly dead? Any seams in your rolled-leather cannon would be a chance to blow yourself up. Plus I have to agree with the expenditure of powder. If you were to logically pick something that goes boom, it'd have to be a recoil-less rifle. It MIGHT be possible to find one at a military check-point.
Chris, it was as good as it always is. And as for leather plenty of dead cows around!!
Ture there might be plenty of dead cows around but do you know a tanner ?? i sure as hell don't
Oh for those who don't know a tanner is the man who turns cow skin into leather and trust me its one of the stinkiest jobs out there ,,ya gotta soak the skin to soften up the fat and remaining meat,then you gotta scrap it clean (smelly as hell here) then ya got to dry it out .
To freakin long guys ..way to long ..give me steel
Phill
hofpig
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 10:06 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextPaul, I hope Euromillitaire was good! I really like the fat dude in Croq's eating someones leg.
Alex, Mythbusters made it out of leather, and a tree, if I remember right; but in a post-apocalyptic world where are you going to get that much leather that isn't stolen from jackets etc. of the newly dead? Any seams in your rolled-leather cannon would be a chance to blow yourself up. Plus I have to agree with the expenditure of powder. If you were to logically pick something that goes boom, it'd have to be a recoil-less rifle. It MIGHT be possible to find one at a military check-point.
Chris, it was as good as it always is. And as for leather plenty of dead cows around!!
Ture there might be plenty of dead cows around but do you know a tanner ?? i sure as hell don't
Oh for those who don't know a tanner is the man who turns cow skin into leather and trust me its one of the stinkiest jobs out there ,,ya gotta soak the skin to soften up the fat and remaining meat,then you gotta scrap it clean (smelly as hell here) then ya got to dry it out .
To freakin long guys ..way to long ..give me steel
Phill
I thought you might say that!!
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 10:07 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextPaul, I hope Euromillitaire was good! I really like the fat dude in Croq's eating someones leg.
Alex, Mythbusters made it out of leather, and a tree, if I remember right; but in a post-apocalyptic world where are you going to get that much leather that isn't stolen from jackets etc. of the newly dead? Any seams in your rolled-leather cannon would be a chance to blow yourself up. Plus I have to agree with the expenditure of powder. If you were to logically pick something that goes boom, it'd have to be a recoil-less rifle. It MIGHT be possible to find one at a military check-point.
Chris, it was as good as it always is. And as for leather plenty of dead cows around!!
Ture there might be plenty of dead cows around but do you know a tanner ?? i sure as hell don't
Oh for those who don't know a tanner is the man who turns cow skin into leather and trust me its one of the stinkiest jobs out there ,,ya gotta soak the skin to soften up the fat and remaining meat,then you gotta scrap it clean (smelly as hell here) then ya got to dry it out .
To freakin long guys ..way to long ..give me steel
Phill
I thought you might say that!!
hofpig
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 10:14 PM UTC
But it does highlight another issue. Assumming we could end the Zombie threat we would have casualties in the thousands to millions. Those who survive would have to learn a lot of new skills very quickly just to survive beyond the initial outbreak.
Paul
Paul
WARDUKWNZ
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 10:23 PM UTC
You couldn't be more right Paul ,, even tho we are in the modern world everything would basically turn back 120 years ..there will be no power stations as with no maintenance they would have crapped out ,every single bit of food would have be grown or raised .
Apart from the normal battles of survival everybody would have to learn something new ..say for example the world war Z goes for 150 years and then we win us now would have to teach the kids cause they would have the teach their kids ..my normal job would end up being more important than ever so that would have the be taught but even the simple things would need to taught .
Yeah man it would be pretty bloody hard from the start and even harder later on .
Apart from the normal battles of survival everybody would have to learn something new ..say for example the world war Z goes for 150 years and then we win us now would have to teach the kids cause they would have the teach their kids ..my normal job would end up being more important than ever so that would have the be taught but even the simple things would need to taught .
Yeah man it would be pretty bloody hard from the start and even harder later on .
Bluestab
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 03:59 AM UTC
If memory serves, the wooden canon was basically a log that had a barrel bored in it. The leather was to help reinforce the barrel and help hold it to the gun carriage. I believe the myth was based on a tale of a town that built a wooden canon and it blew up when put to use. That whole episode was based around seeing if it could be made at that time, if it could work, and what it would take to go boom.
Leather should be attainable. I imagine leather belts could be easily attainable. Given the obesity problem, that would include belts of extended width. An alternative and probably better choice would be ratchet straps or something along those lines. But yeah I'd go with piping as well.
Surviving an EOD scenario is goign to depend on adapting and relearning some of those survival skills. We live in a society where the average person uses technology and has no real idea how it works. And even those with access to the knowledge have to be able to implement it. You'd have little manufacturing ability to produce needed items.
Can you imagine the children that would grow up in such a world?
Leather should be attainable. I imagine leather belts could be easily attainable. Given the obesity problem, that would include belts of extended width. An alternative and probably better choice would be ratchet straps or something along those lines. But yeah I'd go with piping as well.
Surviving an EOD scenario is goign to depend on adapting and relearning some of those survival skills. We live in a society where the average person uses technology and has no real idea how it works. And even those with access to the knowledge have to be able to implement it. You'd have little manufacturing ability to produce needed items.
Can you imagine the children that would grow up in such a world?
1967er
Joined: March 12, 2012
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 06:58 AM UTC
Hi there,
Knight Models has a new Zombie Hunter, too.
More views here:
knight models zombie hunter
Perfect addition for some nice 1:24 car conversions...
cheers
Thomas
who just started to count his small coins ....
Knight Models has a new Zombie Hunter, too.
More views here:
knight models zombie hunter
Perfect addition for some nice 1:24 car conversions...
cheers
Thomas
who just started to count his small coins ....
Bigrip74
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 11:10 AM UTC
@ Thomas: that is my hero! Looks like he carrys around a can of whoopem for that right occasion.
Bob
Bob
Tiger_213
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 08:22 PM UTC
If anyone gets History Channel, watch the show 'Life After People', they do a very good job of explaining how long certain aspects of modern life would fair without proper maintenance.
And the subject of tanning; think of all the ugly bastards that terrible stench would bring in? At least you'd have plenty of food.
And duct tape / Mythbusters. They also stopped a car with a duct tape crash barrier! Probably one of my favorite episodes.
And the subject of tanning; think of all the ugly bastards that terrible stench would bring in? At least you'd have plenty of food.
And duct tape / Mythbusters. They also stopped a car with a duct tape crash barrier! Probably one of my favorite episodes.
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