Mike,
with the Real Models engine and Eduards photo etch, I really wouldn't call it "conversion," but more added detail to the original kit. In my mind, "conversion" is changing from one vehicle completely to another vehicle. And as far as "scratch built," I think that is meant for something entirely, if not a majority of the model being scratch built. Again, my thought is that you added missing details and more accurate details. Therefore a contest will have an Out of Box category for of course kits built with out any changes and then the regular class category which has kits with added detail, photo etch, etc.
I usually enter in the regular class category with my builds and I build like you, adding all the missing detail, photo etch and after market stuff and most of the time I all ways place in the top 3.
Bottom line, I would enter you vehicle in the soft skin category.
I hope I didn't sound to winded.
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Epi
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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 - 08:06 AM UTC
Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 - 08:19 AM UTC
Just as a follow up note; I myself think that the "Scratch Built" and "Conversions" classes should never be combined. While some scratch building may be involved in a conversion, the two are distinctly different and are often combined simply because; #1. The total entries in these two classes are generally small in number and #2. It is simply more convenient for the hobby show managers and judges.
Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 - 08:35 AM UTC
Pete thanks for your quick reply.
Of course I would never consider the HEMTT a "Scratch Built" model. I based my thoughts on past experience and the fact that almost every hobby show that I have participated in combines the two classes and I would have thought this vehicle would qualify as a "Conversion". However your comments are causing me to have second thoughts on that.
On a related note; the contests I participate in rarely have an OOB category. They may have a "Juniors" division which could be considered the same thing. Then too some contests do have an "Advanced" ranking and I would certainly think I would need to place this vehicle there, but otherwise all "Soft Skins" are dumped into one extremely large class.
Of course I would never consider the HEMTT a "Scratch Built" model. I based my thoughts on past experience and the fact that almost every hobby show that I have participated in combines the two classes and I would have thought this vehicle would qualify as a "Conversion". However your comments are causing me to have second thoughts on that.
On a related note; the contests I participate in rarely have an OOB category. They may have a "Juniors" division which could be considered the same thing. Then too some contests do have an "Advanced" ranking and I would certainly think I would need to place this vehicle there, but otherwise all "Soft Skins" are dumped into one extremely large class.
Epi
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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 - 08:37 AM UTC
I agree with you on that Mike.
Yes, I run into that "all soft skins" vehicles in one category no matter the era were as they will quickly split tracked vehicles into 2 catagories, up to WWII and after WWII to present.
Yes, I run into that "all soft skins" vehicles in one category no matter the era were as they will quickly split tracked vehicles into 2 catagories, up to WWII and after WWII to present.
Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 08:53 AM UTC
Sorry but I have been rather under the weather today - no work accomplished and it does not look like I will be making it to the Dayton show tomorrow.
Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 09:05 AM UTC
Another Question?
Have all the LHS HEMTTs adopted the safety railings in the area of the catwalk over the rear of the engine and by the spare tire? Or is this a feature limited only to the CBT units? (Common Bridge Transport)
Italeri might want to offer the CSB (Combat Support Boat) version with the tug as their next option. I think that would turn into a good seller!
http://www.primeportal.net/m1977/m1977_csb_walk.htm
Have all the LHS HEMTTs adopted the safety railings in the area of the catwalk over the rear of the engine and by the spare tire? Or is this a feature limited only to the CBT units? (Common Bridge Transport)
Italeri might want to offer the CSB (Combat Support Boat) version with the tug as their next option. I think that would turn into a good seller!
http://www.primeportal.net/m1977/m1977_csb_walk.htm
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Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 05:24 PM UTC
Looks like most newer M1120s have the railings.
Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 07:22 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 06:54 PM UTC
Another new direction:
Prime Portal* walk around of the HEMTT M66 ring mount can be viewed at:
http://www.primeportal.net/odds_ends/m66_ring_walk.htm
*In my mind these photos are misfiled on the Prime Portal site. Instead of being cross listed under "HEMTT Miscellaneous" they are filed under "Battlefield - Odds and Ends" with no mention of their HEMTT connection.
Prime Portal* walk around of the HEMTT M66 ring mount can be viewed at:
http://www.primeportal.net/odds_ends/m66_ring_walk.htm
*In my mind these photos are misfiled on the Prime Portal site. Instead of being cross listed under "HEMTT Miscellaneous" they are filed under "Battlefield - Odds and Ends" with no mention of their HEMTT connection.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 06:59 PM UTC
It just keeps getting better. The ring mount looks great so far.
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 07:03 PM UTC
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 07:07 PM UTC
Thanks Gino
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 06:02 AM UTC
Nice work on the gun ring frame!
Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 06:25 PM UTC
Thanks Taylor - I have built this frame twice. Once it was too tall, this time hopefully, it is just right. We will see.
Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 06:41 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 05:21 PM UTC
Wondered if anyone would question that!
After building my mostly scratch Mack NO6 using a Dragon Wagon Recovery vehicle as a starting point I had beaucoup parts left over. That decking is the etched exhaust muffler heat shield from the Tamiya DW. The rest of the deck is scratch built.
Here is the link to the Mack build blog if interested:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/196219&page=1
I know that the HEMTT decking is actually supposed to be an expanded wire mesh but the only other thing I had access to was some Tamiya nylon mesh which just did not look right either. Even the etched mesh that comes with the Trumpeter HEMTT semi-tractor looks like it has (in my opinion) too few webs per inch and looks too large and open compared to the real thing.
After building my mostly scratch Mack NO6 using a Dragon Wagon Recovery vehicle as a starting point I had beaucoup parts left over. That decking is the etched exhaust muffler heat shield from the Tamiya DW. The rest of the deck is scratch built.
Here is the link to the Mack build blog if interested:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/196219&page=1
I know that the HEMTT decking is actually supposed to be an expanded wire mesh but the only other thing I had access to was some Tamiya nylon mesh which just did not look right either. Even the etched mesh that comes with the Trumpeter HEMTT semi-tractor looks like it has (in my opinion) too few webs per inch and looks too large and open compared to the real thing.
Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2016 - 02:02 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 01:46 AM UTC
Did not care for the near perfect, featureless (and fully loaded) "chock box" that comes with the basic Italeri HEMTT kit. I thought I might be able to do better with some Evergreen and a bit of scratch work.
I made a pattern for the four stamped sides of the box and cut them from a single piece of sheet plastic. I then scored and folded the now cut to shape flat sheet like a piece of AM etch. The two cross bars were then added to the open side of the box and finally, the welded loop tie-downs were glued on.
I made a pattern for the four stamped sides of the box and cut them from a single piece of sheet plastic. I then scored and folded the now cut to shape flat sheet like a piece of AM etch. The two cross bars were then added to the open side of the box and finally, the welded loop tie-downs were glued on.
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 02:27 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
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