Hi JBA,

After I return from vacation and I see this ... olalaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Prety-prety!
The sea is very real, seem real.................more real.

I will come back to read your post, to learn more. On how to make the gap photoetch. I doubt that the future could explain (tutorial.pdf ???... jejejejeje)

With your permission I have it on my pc ... I will be attentive to developments.

Regards and keep in touch.
Fernando Sancho.

Yep Jean B
Got my BAC in 93
15 years ago Whoa

Okay let's go back to model nice looking painting but with all the exposure to sea, the wheel will be much more rusted right ??
Cheers
Seb

Thanks Chas, I feel it's a bit weird to have the head ready and not the rest, oh well.
Glenn of course it will be extra weathered. the stanchions on the cabin are not painted for starters, and then I sure need some run offs here and there so that blockhaus and cabin seem to belong to the same boat!
Fernando, nice to see you there It's something i should have explain to you personally first, but homemade photoetching, well, there are countless SBS on internet on how to DO things. But i realized that it's all about the things you SHOULDN'T do. That's a bit of a cop's dream you know, it's all a matter of "you should not do this, you should not do that", over pages and pages so SBS yes, but really not yet
Seb, BAC in '87 for me, but I was 1 year in advance! Anyway, what the BAC didn't lean me is that the wheel is apparently done of copper, so no rust on copper!!

Anyway, time to slip from the SBS, Galilée will return at the end of the first week of September

JBA= Jeanious Builder @ Armorama

excuse the spelling pun!

cracking job
keep it up

Jean Bernard

Je n'ai rien a dire que "C'est absolument incroyable!!!"

Well Copper get rusty not like the iron but it get oxidize green powder
Good looking
cheers
Seb

Nice progress. I also like the older one you posted! You have very intriguing builds my friend. I can't wait to see it finished. I showed my brother your dioramas (he has never built a model in his life) and he said one thing: I wish I could do that!

Seb, No I was not on the MSG. I was a little young... My father was their commander though. Not a Marine, but worked for the State Department. I will be a Marine soon though! I graduate college next December and as soon as I can will be shipping out.

-Mike

Time to resurrect the Galillée.
When I got back last thursday, some spider already began its nest in the cabin, so I thought it wouldn't be too good if I lingered doing nothing on evenings.

Anyway, thanks to all those who commented on the diorama while I was away!
Jimmy: thanks for this!
Mike [Kododu], you speak French, like says Edgard Poe you are a "Rara avis in terris"
Mike [LC] now I am flattered!

Now well, time to get back to the wheel, "oxidize green powder" you say Seb? yeah right, some sicko-greeny pigments (nope, MIG doesn't do those) more or less diluted with both white and black diluted paints and here it is.

Good to see you back at it. The green wheels look very real.

Very realistic. I like how you have done the deep rust showing through the 'oxidized green powder'. Are we going to see a similar effect on the ladder?

Good to have you back, nice holiday?

Chas

Okay Guys Now i need to trademark the oxidize green powder term
JB it is exactly like that really cool looking
Cheers
Seb

Holy madre Mia ! JBA, what an eyecatcher once more ! How do you manage it ? Your dioramas look always so surrealistic, as if I'm watching a Dali painting ! You are a master, I'm telling you that ! Respect JB ! Guy.

thanks for all the replies my friends!
Scott, I just wonder if I didn't overdid this amount of green, maybe i will scratch a bit of oxyde and put some tarnished bronze color in places. i will see..

Chas the holidays were fine thanks, spent my time meditating on dioramas by the seaside and running after my son . Naye nothing the same on the ladder as I suppose it would have been done of steel. but then i wonder about the gun -could some parts would have been done on bronze or copper or whatever?..

"oxidize green powder" sounds good Seb, but do you know if there is an English equivalent to "vert de gris" which is in fact the real word?

Guy you are too nice! this diorama should have something like Dali's smooth watches by the end!

Anyway, i finally got round to finish the "white parts", which means the railings on the top of the cabin and the gun. i still have the wooden and oxidized parts of the gun + some rust here and there..

Ships aren't usually my thing, but I can't help being anything but awestruck by this project and the work that's going into it, not to mention your modelling skills.

Amazing.

- Steve

dam jb
what an example of fine modelling,

the water is fantastic, the subject is so orginal
and the way you work is very very intresting

i love this topic

koen

Steve thanks ships in 1/35 make them a bit like panzers (at least it seems the ship guys think this way)
Koen thanks very happy you like my diorama..

hmm well, time to think time to think.. i feel troubled and yet i think i got past the point where the diorama just falls together and clicks alright.. look at those 2 pics, it's not finished of course, but i am at the point where it begins to look like I wanted it to to look..




i completed the gun yesterday night, so of course it does help -guns are a great way to point the view in one direction in dioramas.. tey help to set the direction lines which is why i am pretty fond of using them in my dios..



But then have a look at this.. i feel like any modeller that does a bit of ruin and ask himself if he must add some wallpaper on the inside of the wall.
maybe I should add some wallpaper..
Actually i realized yesterday that i forgot one major element to the build : the acoustic devices that help the command team to communicate with every part of the boat. It should really help to put a bit of detail on the cabin.
Of course I will add a few broken planks here and there so that it might look like the baot is really breaking right now..
well plenty of directions in the details, and decisions to make. And then those acoustic devices (10 at least!!) will be very hard to create probably.

the water is really good. must be really hard to start with. i also like how you've done the rust

Well JBA
No broken glass on the windows ??
If yes try the microscope slide cover but you already know that right
Cheers
seb

JBA, I agree detail is needed on the inside, howabout a hand rail (along with the comm. devises)

Facinating - do you have any plans with the "turret" the sides looks a bit bare compared with the great variation on the rest ?

I like the gun, it give a lot of carracter.

Cheers/Jan

Thanks for all the answers!
Willow, well i have been doing some dioramas with resin water for 25 years + now, so in the end i wanted to do always better, always more complicated etc. the only thing I can really not reproduce is foam/spray. I could use some cotton wool and all the people would say "oh it's cotton wool"
Thanks for your interest

Seb, not yet eh! the cabin is not glued yet, and I will add the windows at the last minute as I canonly use some white glue to fic them (superglue fogs etc). but then I don't understand what you meant with "microscope slide cover"!

Scott a handrail why not.. Actually I don't know as I can't find such evidence on my plans. i see all the intercom stuff, the wheel and nothing else..

Well Jan, I suppose I will use plenty of wood shards and broken planks -and maybe a bit of wires. No I come to think of it, maybe a lamp too, I have some very good reference on those stylish lamps they were using on Russian ships of the same era..

anyway, thanks again for the comments!

well well, yesterday i felt like I was in no mood to lament over the fact i had to model the intercom bits so here we are,
first burning the fingers trying to vacuform the right shapes with the help of the wooden tip of a brush! And then cutting those at the right angle.


here's the result

Then piercing the right tip of the cones and enlarging with a blade

sticking some metal tubing...

And here are the 9!

this week-end, i will trim them and add various attachs.. and then finally painting and fixing them inside the cabin

Hi Jean,

Some more great and ingenious modelling to look at, after a hard week at school (!)

My only concern is identifying the diorama for what it is, i.e a sinking/sunken ship. I asked my friend what he thought your diorama showed, and he thought it was a lighthouse at first. Had I not been following this thread I probably wouldn't be able to identify the object either, although my 'Defenders...' diorama probably doesn't look anything like a cliff at the moment (we will see ).

Are you going to add some more familiar nautical items to the diorama for the people with little ship know-how or the non-imaginative type (like me) to recognise? Of course you may have already thought of this and the diorama might possibly come out looking exactly like a ship.

You are probably sitting there thinking 'what a stupid comment' or something, but I had 10 minutes to spare and besides, someone's gotta give some criticism!

Again, great modelling techniques all the same mate,

Chas

Hi Chas, I thought your question was worth answering straight away as I doubt i will be very productive during the week-end
So, is it a *sinking* or a *sunken* ship
Is it a *ship* or is it a *lighthouse*
Is the way of the water *credible*
did the Galilee/Protet really sank after all?
why would a wreck shatter and sink with someone (yet to be build) on board?
etc etc..

My way of doing dioramas is to take something "familiar" and to try to blur it/ cut it from any contextual reference.

Contrary to a lot of diorama makers (including yourself up to some extent) I don't try to honour the dead in my dioramas, they don't need my dubious skills as I doubt I could be good enough to really show what the suffering of man during wartime could be like.

I simply try to create things in which I can distillate what i am, what I feel at the present moment. Hhave a look at my former dioramas I gave Scott on Modelgeek, each of them is a grave for an ex girlfriend ).
To be absolutely honest, not only do i absolutely don't care that you may/may not understand what i show in my dioramas, but i am also quite happy that you don't have a clue to what's going on
I take an extreme example, have a look at a Rothko painting, there's nothing going on, and yet you just get a big blow on the back of the neck if you happen to be sensible to this kind of stuff. Well i am not Rothko, sadly, but ultimately, I do want that the people when they see my dioramas, just feel something strong.
Now if they understand what's going on, very well for them, but it's not what matters.

Watch Tarkovski's Stalker or Kubrick's 2001, you don't have a clue what's going on, but it's soo powerful. i try to walk along those lines, even though i am pretty concious my talent is pretty dismal. (but you don't have to be Caesar to agree with Caesar)

In my universe, things are never quite like they seem, and it's a conscious thing too, as I hate too well paved roads

So now do you *feel* something when you look at my diorama? a bit of breeze maybe? well if you don't really, that's not important either, because i know you can appreciate a good bit of scale water making

Good luck with what you are about to build Chas, I was also modelling regular wartime dioramas when I was 16

Ok that's fine.

I think that interpreting your dioramas is similar to interpreting concepts in English Literature, which I am bad at doing! BUT, as you said, your dioramas are not really meant to be interpreted. They are based on your emotions, and the feeling we get as viewers is strong (I will not deny that).

Just a side note, I find it nice to honour the living, as well as the dead. It is very moving to see a veteran brought to tears when presented with a diorama. Often knowing that other people have an understanding (as remote as it may be) of wartime, relieves the emotional pressure that some veterans tend to build up inside themselves. This is a good thing I think.

As I read through your posts I am finding the individual techniques very useful (such as the water) but from now on, I will sit back and try to ignore the technicalities associated with the type of diorama I make (regular...), and try to see the bigger picture.

Thanks mate, enjoy the w/end,

chas

JBA

Microscope cover slide


Very useful for windows

cheers
seb