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Jagdpanzer IV L/70
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2008 - 01:04 PM UTC

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Whats the difference between Mr. Surfacer 1000 and 500? Although its fun and challenging to update older kits and make them look nicer, its a royal pain in the ass!



Hey Justin,
Mr. Surfacer is basically modelling putty dissolved in thinner.
In the old days, you dissolved Squadron Green putty with liquid glue and would apply it with a brush.
The MS 1000 type is a bit finer than the 500, just like the higher number of grits in sandpaper are finer.
Updating older kits can be a bit trying at times but it's good for practice and experimentation with different techniques.
Try and remember that each build you do helps develop your modelling skills and teaches you what to look out for in your next kit.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2008 - 04:15 PM UTC
i agree with John i don't have access to mr surfacer either, so i use squadron green putty, thinned with liquid poly and stippled on with and old brush, so far i've used this technique on my old tiger to get a better cast texture and on dragon's maus turret. keep up the good work and when my home pc is fixed i'll post some pics. merry christmas aswell, i won't be able to reply for 4 days coz of the xmas hols
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:15 PM UTC
John, again..thanks a bunch for the help. I'm going to give the welding thing a try. I looked over pictures from my other thread in the AFV section, and can't see close enough or am looking in the wrong places for where the welds would be. I am going to give the cast texture a shot with Mr. Surfacer 1000, i guess i will have to use a few coats. I'm at a bit of a standstill until payday then until the aftermarket parts make it here, especially my prized Italieri steel wheels! Have you started your kit yet?

Ant, Merry christmas to you also and i can't wait to see those pics!

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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 10:18 AM UTC
Hey Justin,
Glad to help.
I'm in a bit of a holding pattern too on my Jagdpanzer IV.
With all the snow we've had of late and all the preparations and get togethers involved during the holidays, I've been otherwise occupied.
My plan is to spend Boxing Day, December 26th, starting my build.
Pictures are still iffy, all depends on if I can figure out how to download them to my computer.
Anyway, have a good, safe and warm Christmas !!!
Cheers

John aka jjumbo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 10:56 AM UTC

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Hey Justin,
Glad to help.
I'm in a bit of a holding pattern too on my Jagdpanzer IV.
With all the snow we've had of late and all the preparations and get togethers involved during the holidays, I've been otherwise occupied.
My plan is to spend Boxing Day, December 26th, starting my build.
Pictures are still iffy, all depends on if I can figure out how to download them to my computer.
Anyway, have a good, safe and warm Christmas !!!
Cheers

John aka jjumbo



Thanks john, you have a merry christmas yourself. Its already christmas eve here! Anyway, i'm working on the welds on the Jagd. I haven't found any pictures close enough to show exactly where the suckers are, so I am using a bit of common sense and a bit of guessing. I called my dad and asked him about welding (he knows quite a bit) and I have a decent idea what might need to be welded on the tank anyhow. I'll post pictures of the welds later today.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 01:52 PM UTC

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Thanks john, you have a merry christmas yourself. Its already christmas eve here! Anyway, i'm working on the welds on the Jagd. I haven't found any pictures close enough to show exactly where the suckers are, so I am using a bit of common sense and a bit of guessing. I called my dad and asked him about welding (he knows quite a bit) and I have a decent idea what might need to be welded on the tank anyhow. I'll post pictures of the welds later today.



Hey Justin,
The kit's boxart shows a number of welds that are missing, particularly on the front and sides of the nose armour.
There should also be a weld bead around the driver's vision port.
These photos of the Jagdpanzer IV at the Canadian War Museum show some of them:

http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/CanadianWarMuseum/GermanArmor/index.htm

Cheers and Merry Christmas

jjumbo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 04:12 PM UTC

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Thanks john, you have a merry christmas yourself. Its already christmas eve here! Anyway, i'm working on the welds on the Jagd. I haven't found any pictures close enough to show exactly where the suckers are, so I am using a bit of common sense and a bit of guessing. I called my dad and asked him about welding (he knows quite a bit) and I have a decent idea what might need to be welded on the tank anyhow. I'll post pictures of the welds later today.



Hey Justin,
The kit's boxart shows a number of welds that are missing, particularly on the front and sides of the nose armour.
There should also be a weld bead around the driver's vision port.
These photos of the Jagdpanzer IV at the Canadian War Museum show some of them:

http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/CanadianWarMuseum/GermanArmor/index.htm

Cheers and Merry Christmas

jjumbo



Great site Jumbo! I thank you very much for it. I just got done laying a weld bead around the roof of the vehicle, i sure hope that was supposed to be welded on! i am also in the processs of beefing up the weld beads on the sides and nose.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 05:27 PM UTC
hi justin,
i've been following your build from the begining. I did the same vehichle a while back and know what your going through. I may have some steal wheels from a dragon Pz IV ausf J and i think some late indi tracks from acadamy that will fit the Tamiya sprockets. I have to dig in the spares bin but i'm pretty sure I might have what you would need.
Your doing a great job with that old kit so far.

Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 05:33 PM UTC

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Great site Jumbo! I thank you very much for it. I just got done laying a weld bead around the roof of the vehicle, i sure hope that was supposed to be welded on! i am also in the processs of beefing up the weld beads on the sides and nose.



Hey Justin,
I hate to tell you this but you shouldn't have added a weld bead around your JP's roof.
The roofs of many German AFV's had to be removable so that the cannon could be swapped out.
They were held down with bolts or screws, take a look at Jari's build on Missing-Lynx:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/german/jll70/jll70.htm



Sorry

jjumbo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 10:39 PM UTC

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Great site Jumbo! I thank you very much for it. I just got done laying a weld bead around the roof of the vehicle, i sure hope that was supposed to be welded on! i am also in the processs of beefing up the weld beads on the sides and nose.



Hey Justin,
I hate to tell you this but you shouldn't have added a weld bead around your JP's roof.
The roofs of many German AFV's had to be removable so that the cannon could be swapped out.
They were held down with bolts or screws, take a look at Jari's build on Missing-Lynx:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/german/jll70/jll70.htm



Sorry

jjumbo





Thanks for the info. It shouldnt be too hard to get a new blade up under the weld beads, i actually messed up on one of them and found it easy to remove. I'll give it a shot.


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hi justin,
i've been following your build from the begining. I did the same vehichle a while back and know what your going through. I may have some steal wheels from a dragon Pz IV ausf J and i think some late indi tracks from acadamy that will fit the Tamiya sprockets. I have to dig in the spares bin but i'm pretty sure I might have what you would need.
Your doing a great job with that old kit so far.

Rob



Thanks for viewing rob! I was partially inspired by that L/48 wreck you built. Excellent job on that my friend. Thanks for the support. I would greatly appreciate anything you could send! I couldn't be more grateful! Thanks for the support! By the way, excellent job on that DAK Pz. III!

Photobucket is kaput right now so i'm going to have to postpone the pictures

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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 11:15 PM UTC
Here are some pictures of the weld beads and the before and after pictures of the accidental welding of the roof (lousy workers on the assembly line better start paying attention before they start going welding crazy!)

Left Side Lower hull/nose:

Underneath lower hull/front plate/nose:

Right side lower hull/nose:

Left side upper hull:

Right side upper hull:


This is where the worker on the assembly line started welding like crazy!



And the fix:




.....you can barely tell....

thanks for the support everyone!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 12:57 AM UTC
Added the casting texture and after browsing through some pictures I noticed one of the L/70s made by Vomag had some casting numbers on the gun shield so since I haven't ever done those before, I gave them a shot. Hopefully, they aren't like the roof welds.....

Heres the photo:
http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/CanadianWarMuseum/GermanArmor/pages/06Jagdpanzer.htm





MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!! Its official...well atleast here in Korea it is...but thank god its almost over, and soon the big 2-1 will fall upon me on the 29th..... just in time for new years!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 01:19 AM UTC
Heyhey,

Just bumped into your build. Nice to see you've already started out and are doing very well.
Casting looks great and so do the numbers. How did you do them? Cut numbers from sprues?

Cheers,

John (who estimates his Jagdpanzer IV Lang will arrive next month around this time)
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 02:15 AM UTC
You are doing an amazing job Justin, keep up the excellent work, I can't wait to see this finished up!

Merry Christmas
Richard
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 03:04 AM UTC
John,
Yes, i used ALOT of patience and a brand new blade on my knife to cut the numbers from old sprue. I went through half a dozen or so, its not easy. I'm sure you read but i used Mr. Surfacer 1000 and a napkin from Burger King to give the casting texture. The Mr. 1000 is pretty thin and i had to let it sit for 5 maybe 10 mins and get sticky, then attacked it with the napkin all bunched up. Good luck to you on your Jagd. IV, i'll be looking for pics!

Rich,

Thanks for the encouragement, Your Karl looks good too and I can't wait to see that sucker finished! I might try to grab a kit the next time I head into Teagu just for a future project.

I appreciate the comments and motivation gentlemen, I look forward to seeing your builds in the future.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 07:53 AM UTC
Hey Justin,
That's a great job you've done with the welds and the cast texture on the gun mantle.
I would have never thought to use a Burger King napkin for applying texture, that's a new one.
I completely forgot about the casting numbers, you usually think of American or Russian vehicles but rarely German having them.
Oh, and I hope you have a great 21st B-day on the 29th, just in time for singing Auld Lang Syne.
Jeez, that makes you legal in all 50 states when you get back home, it's only 19 years old here in our neck of the woods here in the Great White North !
Keep up the good work !!!
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 01:48 PM UTC

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Hey Justin,
That's a great job you've done with the welds and the cast texture on the gun mantle.
I would have never thought to use a Burger King napkin for applying texture, that's a new one.
I completely forgot about the casting numbers, you usually think of American or Russian vehicles but rarely German having them.
Oh, and I hope you have a great 21st B-day on the 29th, just in time for singing Auld Lang Syne.
Jeez, that makes you legal in all 50 states when you get back home, it's only 19 years old here in our neck of the woods here in the Great White North !
Keep up the good work !!!
Cheers


jjumbo



John, thanks for the encouraging words. How does the "fixed" roof look? When I was adding the surfacer I was looking for something to add the texture. I didn't have an old brush and i was about to use a green scratch pad, then i saw the napkin and noticed that it was a rough texture to it. With the casting numbers, I noticed almost every photo from my previous thread and ones i have found are taken from the right side of the vehicle or are vehicles with zimm. so I only found one vehicle with casting numbers. This is hardly something to go off positively, so it was a bit of a shot in the dark.

I have no idea what Auld Lang Syne is but i'll look it up..you are like a walking dictionary, this and gilded lily!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 02:44 PM UTC

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John, thanks for the encouraging words. How does the "fixed" roof look? When I was adding the surfacer I was looking for something to add the texture. I didn't have an old brush and i was about to use a green scratch pad, then i saw the napkin and noticed that it was a rough texture to it. With the casting numbers, I noticed almost every photo from my previous thread and ones i have found are taken from the right side of the vehicle or are vehicles with zimm. so I only found one vehicle with casting numbers. This is hardly something to go off positively, so it was a bit of a shot in the dark.

I have no idea what Auld Lang Syne is but i'll look it up..you are like a walking dictionary, this and gilded lily!



Hey Justin,
Sorry about that, sometimes I forget how ignorant the young are !!! LOL LOL LOL
Hey, just kidding !!!
I've got nephews your age and when I reminded them that today was the 40th anniversary of Apollo 8 first circling the Moon, way back when I was about 11 years old, they just looked at me like some kind of ancient fossil.
Here's the explanation of Auld Lang Syne:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_lang_syne

Good save on the roof, you may want to let the glue dry a bit more and then scrape out and deepen the trough a bit more.
If you can, see if you can get some old dental tools, they are real handy when working on things like texture and weld beads
Yeah, some vehicles you see casting marks, on others you don't and Zimmerit makes things hard to spot.
Take it easy, enjoy Boxing Day.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 07:00 PM UTC
funny one jjumbo!

I tried scraping some of the plastic out, but it does not want to budge. I think what i have it at now is the best its going to get. I'm just kinda stuck now, I can't go any further without those aftermarket kits.

While I am at it, is there anywhere else that I need to add weld beads to the tank? I studied the picture previously posted in this thread on the rear of the Jagd. IV and couldn't locate any.

Since I am on the topic of the aftermarket kits, here they all are:

Figures: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=LF0116
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=LF0115

Detail Kit: http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en_US/prod/15743.html

Barrel: http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=LR%20B3504

Tracks: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MH1357

Wheels: http://www.hlj.com/product/TRS35014


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Posted: Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 06:04 AM UTC
Hey Justin,
If you look carefully at Jari's build from Missing-Lynx, I think you can see a small weld bead at the upper right corner of the rear plate, where it meets the right side of the hull, just forward of the track holder rack:



With all the snow we got this week, I'm going to be away from home and my resource books until the weekend.
IIRC, the rear and front plates of the Pz.Kpfw. IV were fitted in between the side hull plates and the welds weren't very prominent.
I'll have to get back to you later about confirming this.
From your list of AM parts, you are definitely going to town with the improvements.
I've built a few Legends figures before but never seen those 2 sets before.
Legend's figures are usually well sculpted and these ones look good.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 12:52 PM UTC

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With all the snow we got this week, I'm going to be away from home and my resource books until the weekend.
IIRC, the rear and front plates of the Pz.Kpfw. IV were fitted in between the side hull plates and the welds weren't very prominent.
I'll have to get back to you later about confirming this.
From your list of AM parts, you are definitely going to town with the improvements.
I've built a few Legends figures before but never seen those 2 sets before.
Legend's figures are usually well sculpted and these ones look good.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers

jjumbo



You know, I never thought the Canadians as having much of a military, but I sure did think they had the worlds biggest and best fleet of snowplow trucks and ice machines...with you being not home till the weekend....guess i was wrong,
For now i'll halt on the weld beads, good find on that one above though. I figure this kit really needs the AM to be its best. It doesn't even come close to the Dragon kit so it will be a good practice kit for what I am doing. I only plan on using one whole kit, with the commander and infantry guys, then the relaxed figure in the second. He might need a bit of help looking like hes in Dec. 1944, not summer.
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Posted: Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 07:53 PM UTC
Hey Justin,
The CAF do what they can with the limited resources given them but they already have or will be getting new gear like Leopard II tanks, F-35 fighters, C-17 Globemasters, Blackhawk helicopters, etc........
With only 33.5 million people compared to the U.S.A.'s 309 million, the defense budget is small compared to other countries.
Snowplow, what's a snowplow ????
I decided to crash at my Dad and Stepmum's place for Christmas Eve through to Boxing Day as we usually don't get much snow in this part of Canada and getting around was brutal.
It usually rains here, much like Seattle or Portland and we don't get more than a few inches of snow at any time.
Some areas of the Greater Vancouver area received more than 2 feet in the past week and the local works yards spent over half of their Winter salt and sand budget.
Anyway, getting on topic, I wouldn't worry about anymore weld beads.
It's an old kit and the amount of AM your adding will improve it immensely.
Like I said previously, the Legend figures are nice and will certainly enhance your build.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 10:38 PM UTC

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Hey Justin,
The CAF do what they can with the limited resources given them but they already have or will be getting new gear like Leopard II tanks, F-35 fighters, C-17 Globemasters, Blackhawk helicopters, etc........
With only 33.5 million people compared to the U.S.A.'s 309 million, the defense budget is small compared to other countries.
Snowplow, what's a snowplow ????
I decided to crash at my Dad and Stepmum's place for Christmas Eve through to Boxing Day as we usually don't get much snow in this part of Canada and getting around was brutal.
It usually rains here, much like Seattle or Portland and we don't get more than a few inches of snow at any time.
Some areas of the Greater Vancouver area received more than 2 feet in the past week and the local works yards spent over half of their Winter salt and sand budget.
Anyway, getting on topic, I wouldn't worry about anymore weld beads.
It's an old kit and the amount of AM your adding will improve it immensely.
Like I said previously, the Legend figures are nice and will certainly enhance your build.
Cheers

jjumbo



I think they Candians have the right idea, somewhat socialist from what i understand, and they barely get involved in wars! sounds like heaven! I couldn't find anymore welds that were worth duplicating from some futher research. I am just impatiently awaiting payday to purchase the parts, i think i'll have them speed delievered here! But i've used the down time to plan my next build for the Big Cats campaign: a Dragon K.T
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2008 - 04:17 PM UTC
Hey Justin,
Short history lesson:
Canada has been very involved with the U.N. and peacekeeping duties around the world for almost 60 years.
The last time that Canada was involved in an actual war as a combatant was back in 1950-53 in your neck of the woods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_war_1#Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_military_operations

Canada provided ships and aircraft during the first Gulf war and there has been a fairly large contingent of 2500 serving in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately, the 104th Canadian soldier to be die since arriving in country was killed today by an IED along with another 3 others that were wounded.
While essentially socialist, Canada has for years sent troops to many trouble spots around the world including the Middle East, Cyprus and Africa.
Going to be spending a 3rd night at my folks place as we got another dump of snow today.
I've got a wad of CA$H from Christmas burning a hole in my pocket, just aching to go and be spent down at my friend's place, the guy from Seoul who runs one of the LHS.
Looking at getting either a Tamiya Opel Blitz, DML PTO M4A2 Sherman or a DML Panzer IV Ausf. G.
BTW - I picked up the new Tamiya Panzer II Ausf. c, A, B, C last week and it looks nice.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2008 - 07:34 PM UTC

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Hey Justin,
Short history lesson:
Canada has been very involved with the U.N. and peacekeeping duties around the world for almost 60 years.
The last time that Canada was involved in an actual war as a combatant was back in 1950-53 in your neck of the woods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_war_1#Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_military_operations

Canada provided ships and aircraft during the first Gulf war and there has been a fairly large contingent of 2500 serving in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately, the 104th Canadian soldier to be die since arriving in country was killed today by an IED along with another 3 others that were wounded.
While essentially socialist, Canada has for years sent troops to many trouble spots around the world including the Middle East, Cyprus and Africa.
Going to be spending a 3rd night at my folks place as we got another dump of snow today.
I've got a wad of CA$H from Christmas burning a hole in my pocket, just aching to go and be spent down at my friend's place, the guy from Seoul who runs one of the LHS.
Looking at getting either a Tamiya Opel Blitz, DML PTO M4A2 Sherman or a DML Panzer IV Ausf. G.
BTW - I picked up the new Tamiya Panzer II Ausf. c, A, B, C last week and it looks nice.
Cheers

jjumbo



Well, they certainly aren't as tangled up as we are. They are on the right track. I am very jealous about that Tamiya Pz. II, i was thinking about picking that up myself. i'd say you should go with the DML M4A2, theres like no PTO armor on here. But then again, that Pz. IV ausf G would look real good too.