Could you see if you have any decent shots of the fold down boarding ladder on the sides, the bit ringed in the photo below, I want to scratch this part but can find a side on photo showing any detail.
Cheers
David
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dobon68
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Posted: Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 09:27 AM UTC
Johnny,
Could you see if you have any decent shots of the fold down boarding ladder on the sides, the bit ringed in the photo below, I want to scratch this part but can find a side on photo showing any detail.
Cheers
David
Could you see if you have any decent shots of the fold down boarding ladder on the sides, the bit ringed in the photo below, I want to scratch this part but can find a side on photo showing any detail.
Cheers
David
Havoc
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Posted: Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 02:43 PM UTC
Heya, David,
I checked my pictures (both the civilian and military variants) and, of course, no luck on close-ups...
Best I have is a picture of PACV #2 supplied to me by Frenchy where it is moving from left to right... While it is not a high-res photo, I will see if the wife can use her Photoshop skills to push in and possibly sharpen up this area (port side) and see if she can pull any detail out. She's headed out of town, so this will likely be next week, David...
And by the way, I didn't even know what this area was on the craft!
Thanks for the insight.
Lastly, I did end up picking up the Nov. 1967 Popular Mechanics off of ebay for a few bucks --- it's got a cool cover illustration, but no helpful pictures, unfortunately...
Take it easy, David!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
I checked my pictures (both the civilian and military variants) and, of course, no luck on close-ups...
Best I have is a picture of PACV #2 supplied to me by Frenchy where it is moving from left to right... While it is not a high-res photo, I will see if the wife can use her Photoshop skills to push in and possibly sharpen up this area (port side) and see if she can pull any detail out. She's headed out of town, so this will likely be next week, David...
And by the way, I didn't even know what this area was on the craft!
Thanks for the insight.Lastly, I did end up picking up the Nov. 1967 Popular Mechanics off of ebay for a few bucks --- it's got a cool cover illustration, but no helpful pictures, unfortunately...
Take it easy, David!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
ouizel
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Posted: Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 03:10 PM UTC
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Lastly, I did end up picking up the Nov. 1967 Popular Mechanics off of ebay for a few bucks --- it's got a cool cover illustration, but no helpful pictures, unfortunately...
This doesn't help you now, but for future reference, you can find the entire Popular Mechanics back library online for free. Here's the November, 1967 issue: http://tinyurl.com/28m6vm5
To start a search, just go to books.google.com and enter the magazine title, month and year. Or you can search by subject.
And thanks to everyone for their posts. I'm in pre-planning for building this kit myself and have been trying to collect references. Hope to start soon.
--Doug
dobon68
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 02:09 AM UTC
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Lastly, I did end up picking up the Nov. 1967 Popular Mechanics off of ebay for a few bucks --- it's got a cool cover illustration, but no helpful pictures, unfortunately...
This doesn't help you now, but for future reference, you can find the entire Popular Mechanics back library online for free. Here's the November, 1967 issue: http://tinyurl.com/28m6vm5
To start a search, just go to books.google.com and enter the magazine title, month and year. Or you can search by subject.
--Doug
Doug,
Thanks for the link to the online version, they're great paintings, although I think the artist may have got a bit over excited with the bullet holes and the flames from the engine
Cheers
David
Havoc
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 04:04 AM UTC
Yep. I agree... thanks for the link, Doug!! Probably the best thing about the article is the cover illustration, which is a lot of fun. I did hope that there would have been some Stateside detail shots of the PACV as it was being outfitted for Vietnam. Alas, no luck there...
David, have you picked up any of the other magazines/references listed in Saul's review? If so, are there any good detail shots? I'm trying to get to an old trade paperback series called something like "The Illustrated History of the Vietnam War" which had a book on US Naval operations in Vietnam. The series had some great pictures, so who knows, maybe there'll be something good.
Aside from the Bellingham Maritime Museum, I guess the next best source would be Bell, which I believe is owned by another company these days... I've never approached a big manufacturer for photographic info --- has anyone ever successfully done this?
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
David, have you picked up any of the other magazines/references listed in Saul's review? If so, are there any good detail shots? I'm trying to get to an old trade paperback series called something like "The Illustrated History of the Vietnam War" which had a book on US Naval operations in Vietnam. The series had some great pictures, so who knows, maybe there'll be something good.
Aside from the Bellingham Maritime Museum, I guess the next best source would be Bell, which I believe is owned by another company these days... I've never approached a big manufacturer for photographic info --- has anyone ever successfully done this?
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
zapper
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 07:43 AM UTC
Johnny,
I have that title (named Riverine Force). The most interesting thing in it is a cut-away drawing of the PACV (befor upgrade). I've just scanned it and will e-mail it to David. Drop me an PM with your adress and I'll send it your way too. Other from the drawing there isn't anything that will give any details of the PACV.
With that said: if your interested in riverine operations in Vietnam and don't have to pay big money to get it it's a nice little book.
Cheers,
/E
I have that title (named Riverine Force). The most interesting thing in it is a cut-away drawing of the PACV (befor upgrade). I've just scanned it and will e-mail it to David. Drop me an PM with your adress and I'll send it your way too. Other from the drawing there isn't anything that will give any details of the PACV.
With that said: if your interested in riverine operations in Vietnam and don't have to pay big money to get it it's a nice little book.
Cheers,
/E
ouizel
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 11:50 PM UTC
Has anyone considered addressing the lift fan? I've been trying to find solid pictures of the fan and it's surrounding (interior) area to attempt building the correct fan type. What's holding me back is how the prop shaft attaches to the fan itself. Is there a solid disk on the bottom of the fan to which the shaft attaches? Or are there radial bars of some sort attaching the shaft to the fan top and bottom at various points? Or is it something else?
--Doug
--Doug
dobon68
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 06:57 AM UTC
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Has anyone considered addressing the lift fan? I've been trying to find solid pictures of the fan and it's surrounding (interior) area to attempt building the correct fan type. What's holding me back is how the prop shaft attaches to the fan itself. Is there a solid disk on the bottom of the fan to which the shaft attaches? Or are there radial bars of some sort attaching the shaft to the fan top and bottom at various points? Or is it something else?
--Doug
Doug,
I did think about this at the beginning but the correct fan is very different and also when completed not much is seen anyway. So I intend to just add a shaft to the fan that's there.
The following diagram will hopefully give you an idea of the different type of fan
I'm working on fitting in windows at the moment will update with photos Sunday or Monday.
Cheers
David
Havoc
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 11:59 AM UTC
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Johnny,
I have that title (named Riverine Force). The most interesting thing in it is a cut-away drawing of the PACV (befor upgrade). I've just scanned it and will e-mail it to David. Drop me an PM with your adress and I'll send it your way too. Other from the drawing there isn't anything that will give any details of the PACV.
Hiya, Erik!
Thanks for saving me the effort of finding those books! It was a really good little series...
I'll send you a PM with my info... Thanks again, Erik.
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
dobon68
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 06:47 AM UTC
Excellent news gentlemen, there will shortly be an on line album of the Bellingham International Maritime Museum's PACV. There are 274 photos. Many thanks to Shawn who took the time to take the photos and to Saul for asking the favour in the first place.
I will post a live link when they are ready.
Cheers
David
I will post a live link when they are ready.
Cheers
David
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 07:11 AM UTC
Here's a better view of the side drawing included in this interesting (to say the least ) photo album :
HTH
Frenchy
) photo album :HTH
Frenchy
zapper
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 08:23 AM UTC
Fantastic!!! I'm really looking forward to see the pictures from Bellingham!
Cheers,
/E
Cheers,
/E
dobon68
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:12 AM UTC
Part 1 of the PACV walk around is now on line at tanksandthings.com all of the photos will be added soon so keep checking back.
Once again big thanks to Shawn and Saul.
David
Once again big thanks to Shawn and Saul.
David
dobon68
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:46 AM UTC
So update time, I'm afraid I haven't managed to get that much done this weekend. But here's what I have done.
I have glazed the windows using some old LaserJet Over Head Projector film. I glued it on the inside with Pacer Formula 560 canopy glue. Let this dry and cleaned up excess with cotton buds and water and then polished it with Plastic polish by Bare Metal. This seemed to work really well and the film bends with the frame at the front. The film was then masked of front and back ready for paint. Finally I glued the two brass frames in place on the hull.
I also scratched the top gunners metal platform using the floor plate out of an old M113 kit as the tread plate.
Here it is in situ with the seats as well.
That's all I've done for now.
I do have a couple of questions for you guys.
I am thinking of using an Eduard PE instrument panel to improve the kit one, looking at the photos of the real instrument panel can any of you think the best one to use for this? I'm guessing a 1/32nd scale one?
Also in one article they talk about the side guns being helicopter style M60's, do you think the Dragon M60D that comes with the Helicopter crew is best with the large floor based ammo can and spent shell catcher or just M60D's on a pedastal?
Let me know what you think?
Cheers
David
I have glazed the windows using some old LaserJet Over Head Projector film. I glued it on the inside with Pacer Formula 560 canopy glue. Let this dry and cleaned up excess with cotton buds and water and then polished it with Plastic polish by Bare Metal. This seemed to work really well and the film bends with the frame at the front. The film was then masked of front and back ready for paint. Finally I glued the two brass frames in place on the hull.
I also scratched the top gunners metal platform using the floor plate out of an old M113 kit as the tread plate.
Here it is in situ with the seats as well.
That's all I've done for now.
I do have a couple of questions for you guys.
I am thinking of using an Eduard PE instrument panel to improve the kit one, looking at the photos of the real instrument panel can any of you think the best one to use for this? I'm guessing a 1/32nd scale one?
Also in one article they talk about the side guns being helicopter style M60's, do you think the Dragon M60D that comes with the Helicopter crew is best with the large floor based ammo can and spent shell catcher or just M60D's on a pedastal?
Let me know what you think?
Cheers
David
ouizel
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:59 AM UTC
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I also scratched the top gunners metal platform using the floor plate out of an old M113 kit as the tread plate.
What did you use for reference when building this platform? Anything particular or was it just a reasonable guess?
--Doug
dobon68
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:05 AM UTC
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What did you use for reference when building this platform? Anything particular or was it just a reasonable guess?
Doug,
It was an educated guess, I have one photo that shows the side and you can see the gunner standing up and through the window you see his boots, so I took this to be about the level of the top. I made it a rectangle so it would fit in better and so there is room either side and I made it metal as Roy Adair a former CO of a PACV said thy were made of metal.
Hope this explains my thinking.
David
Wisham
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:24 PM UTC
Awesome build so far! Keep up the good work. The three PACV's given to the Coast Guard in 69 for evaluation, but were found to be too expensive in upkeep, mostly because they were just worn out after hard service in Vietnam. Given back to the Navy, then all were stricken.
Take care and have fun
Warren
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Take care and have fun
Warren
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dioman13
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:59 AM UTC
Don't know if this will help,but Bantam books, riverine force by John Forbes and Robert Willams has a cut away of this and one small pic of one deflated in a rice paddy.
Havoc
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:13 AM UTC
Heya, David,
Thanks for your part in working with Saul (and Shawn) in taking those much-sought after detail photos and subsequently posting them!
And thanks to the Bellingham Maritime Museum for allowing Shawn to take those photos --- sounds like they granted him special access to the interior...
WAY TO GO, FOLKS! Can't wait to see the rest of the pics --- given how difficult it is to find detail photos, no doubt this will prove to be a Holy Grail for us PACV-lovers!!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
PS Got the wife back in town so we'll see if there is any way we can blow up existing photos of that ladder area --- unless Shawn managed to cover that area as well...?
Thanks for your part in working with Saul (and Shawn) in taking those much-sought after detail photos and subsequently posting them!
And thanks to the Bellingham Maritime Museum for allowing Shawn to take those photos --- sounds like they granted him special access to the interior...
WAY TO GO, FOLKS! Can't wait to see the rest of the pics --- given how difficult it is to find detail photos, no doubt this will prove to be a Holy Grail for us PACV-lovers!!
Regards and Aloha,
Johnny B.
PS Got the wife back in town so we'll see if there is any way we can blow up existing photos of that ladder area --- unless Shawn managed to cover that area as well...?
ouizel
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Posted: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 06:53 AM UTC
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It was an educated guess...
David,
Excellent. Thanks!
--Doug
dobon68
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 11:15 PM UTC
For those that are interested the Bellingham PACV walk around photos are up to part 5 now at tanksandthings.com
I hope to get a bit more work done this weekend, 3 year old twins permitting
David
I hope to get a bit more work done this weekend, 3 year old twins permitting
David
ouizel
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 01:09 AM UTC
Amazing stuff. Thank you! Finally, a clear shot of the correct lift fan.
--Doug
--Doug
dobon68
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Posted: Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 08:31 AM UTC
After the total wash out from modeling last weekend, I have managed to get some done this weekend. It may not seem much but has taken me ages to do!
So I have replace the square air vent again, looking at the photos I decided it should be more up right.
I've made the boarding ladders for each side as est I can. They aren't finished quiet yet.
I have made the platform for the top gunner smaller to give more room in the cabin.
I've made the operators seat area up.
I have also decided to use the control/instrument panel from an old OH-6A Loach helicopter, I think it looks ok there?
Here's a shot altogether.
Finally I'd like your opinion on the side weapons, I'm thinking of using the Dragon M60D with mount from their Huey helicopter, what do you think? This is just put in place to show you.
Well that's all for now, let me know what you think and any ideas or advice is most welcome.
Cheers
David
So I have replace the square air vent again, looking at the photos I decided it should be more up right.
I've made the boarding ladders for each side as est I can. They aren't finished quiet yet.
I have made the platform for the top gunner smaller to give more room in the cabin.
I've made the operators seat area up.
I have also decided to use the control/instrument panel from an old OH-6A Loach helicopter, I think it looks ok there?
Here's a shot altogether.
Finally I'd like your opinion on the side weapons, I'm thinking of using the Dragon M60D with mount from their Huey helicopter, what do you think? This is just put in place to show you.
Well that's all for now, let me know what you think and any ideas or advice is most welcome.
Cheers
David
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 09:18 AM UTC
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Finally I'd like your opinion on the side weapons, I'm thinking of using the Dragon M60D with mount from their Huey helicopter, what do you think? This is just put in place to show you.
Nice work David. In the picture below, the side weapon looks to be another .50 cal.MG (just compare the barrel to those of the top twin .50s )..Could be an option...Or maybe it's just me seeing things
Frenchy
dobon68
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Posted: Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:01 AM UTC
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Nice work David. In the picture below, the side weapon looks to be another .50 cal.MG (just compare the barrel to those of the top twin .50s )..Could be an option...Or maybe it's just me seeing things
Frenchy
I agree with you Frenchy with that photo and there are others that seem to show .50 cals. My reason for going for the M60D was that there are photos that seem to show them as well and in one article it talks about having helicopter style machine guns on the sides.
I also thought having the spent shell collector bag on the side would be a good idea as they wouldn't want to be trying to walk around in a fast moving craft with spents shells all over the place?
Do you think the .50 cals would take up much more room inside?
David
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