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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 03:01 AM UTC
A Deuce and a Half Tractor by another mother - Studebaker!

Looks to be an easy conversion - standard Stude US6 with loadbox removed then find a fifth wheel off some appropriate diecast or plastic toy truck - there are some very usable ones out there.



(First photo from the "Mil-Web" site. Last photo from the "Oldtimers Gallery")
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 12:56 AM UTC
Not sure this has been mentioned already in this thread, but Resicast has released a "GMC Tipper & Utility Trailer" conversion kit for Tamiya GMC (#351195)



More info here : http://www.resicast.com/products/kits/slideshow-48/index.html

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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 03:31 AM UTC
Here's a detail to dress up the shop in your motor pool; a winch kit! If you are like me you have more than a few of these laying around unused in your spares bin!

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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 03:34 AM UTC
And here is the bolster truck variant as it was meant to be seen in all its' glory!




(Both photos property of Alfvan Beem)
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 03:38 AM UTC
And here is an original 1940's beauty. (The truck boys, the truck!)



Interesting use of the Director's trailer: (What do you think the reel on the front of the trailer is for?)
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 05:41 AM UTC
Interesting load for a Deuce and a Half:





Photos and model by Bryan Krueger
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 05:55 AM UTC
Here is another interesting load you do not often see - an SCR Radio Shelter in the back of a DUKW.



I suspect this was just a temporaty load, for transporting the shelter ashore and that it would soon be transfered to a standard CCKW, as the only access door into the shelter opened outwards and therefore access would be totally blocked by the endwalls of the DUKW's loadbox. (Though they could have physically removed the door entirely but why would they want to tie up a vital DUKW as a radio truck?)

(This photo appears in the May issue of "Classic Military Vehicle" magazine and comes from the collection of the author David Doyle.)
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 06:03 AM UTC
Another unusual combination a Cab Over Engine (COE) long loadbox Deuce with another radio shelter box installed!


(Photo by John V. Cliche)
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 07:20 AM UTC
Serious action shot: US Army Signal Corps photo.



This is an early Deuce; note the GMC logo plate on the brush guard, the absence of a convoy light on the driver's side fender and the symetrical headlight guards on the brush guard.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 09:24 AM UTC
Something seriously different; a L-O-N-G Wheelbase Deuce and a Half Dump Truck!

Sold recently on eBay for under $3000.00 WOW (and it runs!)



Photo by tutheck (jonathon Street)

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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 09:35 AM UTC

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Interesting use of the Director's trailer: (What do you think the reel on the front of the trailer is for?)



According to the original LIFE magazine caption, this is an Air Corps searchlight truck and trailer (1942). Here's a larger version :



Full size

From Skylighters.org : "the prominent manually operated winch [is] mounted on the drawbar in in front of the cargo box. The two large hand wheels turned the winch, which allowed the crew to pull the searchlight onto the floor of the trailer via a cable that went through the box and attached to the light".

Here's another view of the M1 trailer (from the same site) :



and here's a M1 trailer loaded with a GE 60" AA Searchlight (but the winch's different - maybe a postwar/restoration mod)) :



(from http://www.cckw.org/m-1.htm )

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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 09:37 AM UTC

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Serious action shot: US Army Signal Corps photo.



This is an early Deuce; note the GMC logo plate on the brush guard, the absence of a convoy light on the driver's side fender and the symetrical headlight guards on the brush guard.



Havn't; at least as well as I can remember, seen a rifle sleve mounted on a truck like this. On a motorcycle or Jeep, sure but not like this.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 11:06 AM UTC

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Havn't; at least as well as I can remember, seen a rifle sleve mounted on a truck like this. On a motorcycle or Jeep, sure but not like this.[/quote]


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I have seen them but never mounted horizontally like that one. Hope that is an '03 that is securely tied in! It did occur to me that every time the driver sees it coming loose he opens his door and it slams the butt of the rifle back into the scabbard!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 11:08 AM UTC

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Well, GEE... There were only 40,000 or so Shermans built during WWII- How many German tanks were built from 1935 to 1945? I say bring on any and all variants of the M4-series!!!



I have come close to having built every varient of the m4 sherman, you name it probably built it
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 11:21 AM UTC
More shots of the L-O-N-G wheelbase Deuce dumper:











The front bumper may not be original but the rest of her sure is! - and it RUNS!

(All photos by tutheck (Jonathon Street)
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2014 - 11:58 AM UTC
WOW This thread has gone for a long time.
Looking forward to some of the new releases of the 2 1/2 ton.
With so much posted here it may have already been mentioned and I missed it but I see Tamiya released another 1/48 scale 2 1/2 truck. Fuel truck version. To bad they did not do some thing in 1/35 scale, but that's understandable you can sell to armor guys and the fly boys in 1/48.
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2014 - 10:48 PM UTC
David, just trying to encourage more diversity in what is being offered by the hobby manufacturers. Also trying to promote more modeling interest in the dozens of Deuce variants available to us.

The popularity of this thread perhaps proves there is a serious interest out there.

In any case it looks like we are about it get our wish!

Cheers
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Posted: Monday, May 12, 2014 - 10:11 AM UTC
Interesting super clean modern restoration:
(Vehicle and photography by Howard Wade.)



The story of this restoration can be followed on the Historic Military Vehicle Forum at:

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?24268-GMC-352-s
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Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 - 07:57 AM UTC
Looks like the waiting is over! The new Deuce CCKW Fuel Truck from HobbyBoss is starting to appear at online hobby shops and on eBay.



If the model is as good as the box art we are going to have some very happy modelers out there!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 12:22 AM UTC
Photo found online:



Check out that pad lock hanging on the storage locker behind the cab. When did you ever see that on an OOB kit?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 01:10 AM UTC
This is slightly off topic but in addition to the CCKW fuel truck from HobbyBoss I have to celebrate the arrival of all sorts of other WWII US military motor pool type vehicles: WOW!

Diamond T Cargo truck:


Diamond T Wrecker:


White 666 Cargo Truck:


(I just took delivery on my copy of the Wrecker but I am already contemplating buying the cargo truck and swapping cabs! The hard cab just seems to make more sense on the wrecker.)
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Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 06:00 AM UTC
ALSO: - I am told the M19 Diamond T + Roger's Trailer by Merit is out now but I have yet to see it offerered for sale.


I hear this vehicle is physically larger than the wrecker or the cargo truck but I have not been able to confirm that. Clearly the front fenders and bumper are different so it looks like the M19 model would be larger than the wrecker.
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ScaleHobbyist

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Military_Vehicles/wwii-us-m19-tank-transporter-w-hard-top-cab/MTI00063501/product.php?kw=m19
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Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 02:41 AM UTC



That is the exact site that the above photo of the M19 came from but unfortunately that still does not answer my questions. I will have to pull out my copy of "The American Arsenal" tonight to get the final answer.

Film at eleven!
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Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 02:14 PM UTC
Well the Arsenal book told me what I should have known already. While the Diamond T cargo truck looks similar to the Diamond T Ballast Tractor, when seen side by side the M20 Ballast Tractor is MUCH larger!

The cargo truck rolls on 9x20 tires, has a 151 inch wheelbase and is 254 inches long overall. (267 counting the bumper mounted winch.) The cargo truck is rated to carry a 4 ton load and can offer another 6 tons of drawbar effort.

The Diamond T Ballast Tractor (M20) however utilizes 12x20 tires, has a 179 inch wheelbase and is 279 inches in overall length. It can carry 12 tons in the ballast body while exerting a drawbar pull of an additional 45 tons!

The Tractor is quite a different beast when compared to the lowly 4 ton cargo truck.