At the risk of being redundant I am going to post a few more Diamond T photos here for comparsion -

First the massive 12 ton M20 Ballast Tractor:


(Photo Brian Boys Collection)


(From a period Diamond T magazine ad)

Then the SMALLER 4 ton Diamond T cargo truck:





As a size comparison please note that both 12 ton and the 4 ton vehicle use the exact same enclosed metal cab structure. Clearly the cab is dwarfed by the much larger 12 ton M20 chassis.

I was answering the following from your previous post:





I ordered one from ScaleHobbist several days ago and have received notice that it has been shipped. I just checked, it is still "IN STOCK"

I want both the 4 ton Diamond T wrecker AND the 12 ton ballast tractor but I think for now I will focus on the wrecker. I would like to know how the two builds compare so keep us posted!

Mike

Beautiful build log on the new M19 Diamond T tank transporter at:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/217167&page=1#1874515

Just spent an enjoyable couple hours rereading all the posts in this thread and taking note's. I 'am ready to reenter the world of the Deuce and a Half. I haven't built one since Tam and Ital first released them and that's been many years ago.
I have a Ital kit coming that I won on E Bay. It a closed cab cargo bed, at least that's what the box art show's, the pics of the parts in their plastic bags have a little glare from the flash so its a little hard to see some of the parts but it also looks like the open cab is there to. I should know by Fri at the earliest.
Looking forward to all of those new releases that are coming. I think a certain two company's are resting on their laurels and you can only rest on them for so long before you're forgotten .

Best of luck on the new build!

Unfortunately this Deuce thread has been languishing to some extent mostly b/c I have been involved in building the new Diamond T 4 ton wrecker from Mirror Models.





This thread can be found at:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/216824

Hobbyboss factory page covering the new CCKW 750 gal fuel tanker:

http://www.hobbyboss.com/a/en/product/armor/1_35/2014/0307/1097.html



No further mention of the pending SWB closed cab deuce with gun ring!

Michael,

I have been reading this thread with interest! I have been a big fan of the 2.5-ton series for some time. There are several projects on my shelf that include the Masters products, as well as a few Azimuth bits.

Have you ever looked at the old Trumpeter CA-30 truck kit? A friend once told me that this is the direct ancestor to the International 2.5 ton truck. He claims that the body, running gear and cab are all common.

I've never had a chance to check this out personally. Have you or any of the other thread contributors seen it?

Good luck on all of your builds.

Pat
MMiR

Pat - All true to a point . . .

I would suggest as a starting point to go back just a little bit further in modeling history - and to start with the Italeri offering some years ago of the immediately post-war Russian/International Harvester Katyuska rocket truck.

This will give you the distinctive and necessary flat arched front fenders (with a lot of sanding), a nice IH style cab and a more than decent rendition of the overall vehicle driveline as well as dual tires instead of the cold war era super-singles.

I would also suggest replacing the tires either with Hussar's set of US6 tires or a set of the Tamiya tires from their Deuce and Half.

Of course the somewhat unique style for mounting the winch and the IH distinctive "flat faced" grill and brush guard will require some scratch building.

I tried this course of action some years back for modeling a wartime short wheel base International.




The stopper for me was that I had failed to notice the very distinctive "rake' of the bonnet that IH employed in order to mate their civilian cab to the military styled forward sheet metal. I have always intended to restart this model by separating the cab from the bonnet, raising the base height of cab relative to the engine compartment and changing the angle of the hood.

. . . but have just never gotten around to it!

Ah well, sa la guerre.

p.s. For the die hard chassis guys like myself it might also be of interest to know that the spring arrangement for the rear axles on the IH was considerably different from the GM solution!

Pat I like the way your mind works! Now that we have a Studi available in 1/35th it would be awfully nice to have an International as well!

Go tell that to the Marines!

....and the Navy Seebees as well

2 nice rigs :





another one on Flickr :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/usnavyseabeemuseum/6893288645/sizes/o/in/set-72157626536221617/

Here are some partial views of the "walking beam" rear suspension of the M-5H-6 :






H.P.

Interestingly, I recently discussed the CA-30 kit with David Doyle and he said that it is not based on the IH trucks, but rather on the ZIL-157, which in turn was based on our friend the Studebaker.

It's been said in certain circles that Trumpeter (and possibly others) will accept, and even pay for, a complete package of information on a new modeling subject. "Complete" meaning enough to actually tool the kit. According to rumor his is how the Trumpeter Faun kit came about.

What is the level of interchangeability with the IH line? Would "Company X" benefit from multiple tools?

Pat
MMiR

Indeed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiefang_CA-30

H.P.

It has been my understanding that the ZIL design was based more or less, on the International rather than the Studebaker. The cab design certainly looks more International-ish.

Regardless, thanks for all the input guys, this is great!

Here's a period picture showing one of the two ZiS-151 prototypes (a.k.a. ZiS-151-2) :



Here's the second prototype (a.k.a. ZiS-151-1) with a ZiS-150 cab and single rear wheels. This cab, fitted with new fenders, will be adopted for the 151/157 series trucks :



More info here http://www.krasnayazvezda.com/terre/materiels/camions/zis151.php (in French...)

H.P.

Well I have to say that to me, prototype #1 looks to have A LOT of GMC linage designed into it whereas prototype #2 looks to be much like a 1940's civilian International Harvester. I don't see much/any Studebaker influence in the vehicle at all.



Just look at the raised ridge on the top of the front fenders and the shape of the radiator cowl.

1941 International Harvester Medium Truck;
Rockcastle County, Kentucky
(Both photos 2009 Michael Koenig)

Ditto. The ZiS-150 cab was a copy of the 1941-43 IHC KR11 one (like much of the whole truck I guess ) :



H.P.

Beautiful photo there H.P.

You can find walkaround pics of this very same truck here :

http://maquettegarden.free.fr/Vehicules/KR11/files/photo_frames.html?1

H.P.

An item left off every manufacture's model Deuce and a half: the enclosure under the end beam of the loadbox for the tool drawer/tray/box. Every model shows the drawer from the outside rear but no one includes the actual enclosure for it under the rear of the vehicle.



Shown here is actually the similar enclosure on my Mirror Models Diamond T wrecker now under construction.