I favor management "cowardliness" as the likely explanation over excessive production costs, especially given that a significant portion of the research, design and tooling is already done.
(In the case of the Tamiya Deuce at least.)
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Tank1812
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Anybody see a 1/35 High Lift?
http://www.ratomodeling.com/finished/cckw_high_lift/
I am think about building one with the Tamiya kit.
Thoughts?
http://www.ratomodeling.com/finished/cckw_high_lift/
I am think about building one with the Tamiya kit.
Thoughts?
M4A1Sherman
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I favor management "cowardliness" as the likely explanation over excessive production costs, especially given that a significant portion of the research, design and tooling is already done.
(In the case of the Tamiya Deuce at least.)
That's so, as far as "the Big T" is concerned. HOBBY BOSS DIDN'T get their Deuce-and-a-half RIGHT, what with all of the "Hard Cab" problems. There are CERTAINLY enough "Jimmies" in this world for any progressive-thinking PLASTIC hobby manufacturer to "get it RIGHT", right from the get-go, even for the "average modeler".
Not to sound like a snob, but having to constantly resort to A/M and scratch-building, even tho' the "scratching" can be heaps of fun for us "more-experienced-nuts", a BRAND-NEW slide-molded PROPER Deuce-and-a-half would be just the ticket. I'd love to see MINIART, or TAKOM, MIRROR, or MENG tackle the job in producing a new "Jimmy"... And as far as A/M goes, you can't beat the ABER PE sets for enhancing ANY 1/35 "Jimmy"...
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Question: Does anyone offer a set of US Navy decals for the WWII CCKW?
If so I have never crossed them in my travels.
If so I have never crossed them in my travels.
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Question: Does anyone offer a set of US Navy decals for the WWII CCKW?
If so I have never crossed them in my travels.
I THOUGHT I saw something to that effect from ARCHER DRY TRANSFERS a long time ago, but I could be very wrong about that. It might only have been "wishful-thinking" on my part.(?) I don't think that they were made as a specific US Navy set, but they MIGHT have been a part of a US Army or USMC set, which can be easily overlooked, if that is the case. Of course, ARCHER MAY have done a "generic" 1/35 set of decals and/or dry transfers encompassing 1/35 US Navy Vehicles at any point in time after the 1/35 TAMIYA "Jimmy" was released. I don't know. Aside of some specific ARCHER US Army "D-Day" markings for some of my Tanks and Soft-skins, and an AFV CLUB/TESTORS-ITALERI WC-series Ambulance conversion, I haven't bought very many ARCHER Products, so I have no idea of what is or isn't shown in the latest ARCHER catalogs...
Between Frenchy and yourself, with all of your great reference material, you should be able to come up with "reasonable" photos of US Navy Vehicle markings and insignia to go by. That is, IF you were to "cobble" some Reg Numbers etc, out of any CCKW decal sets or dry transfers that you may have in your stock.
BTW, the US Navy also used a number of ("Limited Standard") Studebaker US-6s and International 2 1/2-ton 6x6s; the International vehicle-type designator escapes me at the moment...
The above probably doesn't help you in the least; it was just a thought...
PS-
Re: Painting- If you were to actually get that far, I believe US Navy 5-H Haze Gray (late 1941-1943) or 5-L Light Gray (from 1943, on-) should do fine for you as BASE COLORS. At least, that is the impression I get from my various color photos.
ITALERI specifies TESTORS MODEL MASTER II 1721 (enamel) or 4746 (acryl) MEDIUM GRAY for their 1/35 LCVP kit... Seems to be a pretty "generic" US Navy color, so the US Navy must have had HUGE stocks of this WONDERFULLY DELIGHTFUL color in their Supply Depots. To my eye, that color seems a little bit too light for the LCVP, but it just might be perfect for the Navy's "Jimmies", in comparing the MM II color to my color photos. But... One's perception of color is subjective, at best. Having said that however, once you get done with your washes, weathering powders, filters, etc, the original base-color won't matter that much, anyway. I would keep the weathering "light", though. Stateside shore-based US Navy vehicles didn't ordinarily get as dirty as US Army or USMC vehicles. A caveat:
"There always seem to be EXCEPTIONS to the rules..."
Tank1812
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Archer does have generic sets for blue, white and yellow lettering.
http://www.archertransfers.com/CAT_USregistration.html
http://www.archertransfers.com/CAT_USregistration.html
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Quoted Text
BTW, the US Navy also used a number of ("Limited Standard") Studebaker US-6s and International 2 1/2-ton 6x6s; the International vehicle-type designator escapes me at the moment...
It was the M-5H-6 (they also used the 1 1/2 ton 4x4 M-3-4) :
This one is carrying a German-made EMC mine, Cherbourg area (Normandy, July 1944)
Tokyo 1951 :
Fullsize
H.P.
M4A1Sherman
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Quoted Text
Quoted TextBTW, the US Navy also used a number of ("Limited Standard") Studebaker US-6s and International 2 1/2-ton 6x6s; the International vehicle-type designator escapes me at the moment...
It was the M-5H-6 (they also used the 1 1/2 ton 4x4 M-3-4) :
This one is carrying a German-made EMC mine, Cherbourg area (Normandy, July 1944)
Tokyo 1951 :
Fullsize
H.P.
YESSSS!!! It's Frenchy to the rescue ONCE AGAIN!!!
See, now HERE is a perfect example of the "Exceptions To The Rule" thing that I blathered about earlier in this thread; that International M-5H-6 looks like it's painted in standard US Army OD rather than "Haze Gray", if you ask me. Perhaps the Navy decided that it would be to their benefit if they painted THEIR vehicles in OD for the Normandy Operation-(?) Less conspicuous in a "battle-zone" than "Haze Gray", I should think... Or, it could be that the Navy acquired this M-5H-6 from the Army, and never bothered to repaint it Gray..? Hm! More food for thought... Any info on that, Henri-Pierre..?
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I have little/no experience in this area so I could be way off base here:
As I see it the problem is not the availability of the generic registration number decals/transfers but the need for them to be printed in black to work with the Navy Haze Gray color scheme.
As I see it the problem is not the availability of the generic registration number decals/transfers but the need for them to be printed in black to work with the Navy Haze Gray color scheme.
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Quoted Text
I have little/no experience in this area so I could be way off base here:
As I see it the problem is not the availability of the generic registration number decals/transfers but the need for them to be printed in black to work with the Navy Haze Gray color scheme.
So which combination would it need to be in black? Early/late fonts in non-stencil or non-stencil format?
Non-stencil, early and late
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35052W.html
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35180.html
Stencil, early and late
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35056W.html
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR35184.html
165thspc
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Ryan, I will check my copy of Doyle's book and see if I can get back to you with an answer.
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Here goes probably the most famous and trashed International M-5H-6 ever...
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I guess the one above could be a Seabee truck, like these on Iwo-Jima (they're all SWB dump trucks ) :
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H.P.
H.P.
165thspc
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Here's a detail to dress up the shop in your motor pool; a winch kit!
If you are like me you have more than a few of these laying around unused in your spares bin!
Get one out, slap it on a pallet and rust it up!
Also would be perfect as a possible load item for your next Deuce build.
If you are like me you have more than a few of these laying around unused in your spares bin!
Get one out, slap it on a pallet and rust it up!
Also would be perfect as a possible load item for your next Deuce build.
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Things sure have changed since you started this thread. Now you've got your SWB from Hobby Boss. Tamiya has introduced two 1/48 scale offerings. Yeah, I get it, "Why didn't they do the hard cab in 1/35?" seems to be a recurring theme in this thread. I say be happy - at least you can mix and match. My revived interest in aircraft has me looking at a few 1/48 scale variants, and there's very little to work with in that scale. At least in 1/35 you even have banjo axles from one source (LRDG Chevy) if not more. I'm having to scratch mine.
This question on page six gets answered two pages later where you posted a photo with the front duallies. Most wartime photos I've seen with that setup are of the SWB, which was also a dedicated prime mover for the M101. (There are a few long bed photos I've seen as well but they seem to be restorations at shows) It came with two spares precisely so that they could be mounted up front when the terrain became "challenging." I"ll have to watch for this thread to see if it gets resurrected yet again.
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...(Never could understand, with a rubber shortage why the SWB truck would get two spare tires???)
This question on page six gets answered two pages later where you posted a photo with the front duallies. Most wartime photos I've seen with that setup are of the SWB, which was also a dedicated prime mover for the M101. (There are a few long bed photos I've seen as well but they seem to be restorations at shows) It came with two spares precisely so that they could be mounted up front when the terrain became "challenging." I"ll have to watch for this thread to see if it gets resurrected yet again.
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Mike,
Studying the pics of your HB CCKW 352 again, I noted that you haven't added the drag link that HB forgot to include for mysterious reasons.
As for the stowage compartment beneath the load tray's rear, Heller have included that in their kit some 40 years ago! Another Heller-only detail are the fender mounted tow hooks that bend sideways, as they should. Not very prominent on standard trucks, but indispensable on tanker trucks that had no towing pintle, gasoline and water tankers alike.
Keep on trucking,
Peter
Studying the pics of your HB CCKW 352 again, I noted that you haven't added the drag link that HB forgot to include for mysterious reasons.
As for the stowage compartment beneath the load tray's rear, Heller have included that in their kit some 40 years ago! Another Heller-only detail are the fender mounted tow hooks that bend sideways, as they should. Not very prominent on standard trucks, but indispensable on tanker trucks that had no towing pintle, gasoline and water tankers alike.
Keep on trucking,
Peter
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Hi Mike and everybody,
Not sure if this is a truly dead thread, but you might be interested to know I've been designing up some CAD goodies for 3D printing at Shapeways! In 1:35 there is a set of "banjo" axles from Masters Productions, but they seem to have gone the way of the dodo, so I designed up drop-in replacement sets for both Tamiya and Italeri kits that give the axles and transfer case, and the front wheels are position-able. I also offer replacement rear springs and prop shafts for the Italeri/Airfix DUKW that fix the wheelspacing issue. (I did a full set of correct DUKW wheels including inflation gear, but these are now available through Resicast.) One goal I have is a CCKW on 11.00-18 Military Desert ("DUKW") wheels and banjo axles, as tested by the US Army in 1943 - I'd need to offer modified wheels without the inflation gear for that.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/PZ4S2B86S/tamiya-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169101419&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TZ7Z57L6X/italeri-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169116007&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/FHTWA7X4M/dukw-suspension-correction-set-italeri-airfix-1-35?optionId=170369564&li=shops
Oh, and I'm working on a conversion set of axles and bits to convert the Italeri water tanker into a Chevy G7113 tractor! I know U-Model offers a full resin kit, but I prefer to use as much plastic as I can...
(I didn't bother with an axle set for the HB trucks, as their cabs are wrong. And I need to dig a Heller CCKW out of deep-stash to make a set for them...)
Not sure if this is a truly dead thread, but you might be interested to know I've been designing up some CAD goodies for 3D printing at Shapeways! In 1:35 there is a set of "banjo" axles from Masters Productions, but they seem to have gone the way of the dodo, so I designed up drop-in replacement sets for both Tamiya and Italeri kits that give the axles and transfer case, and the front wheels are position-able. I also offer replacement rear springs and prop shafts for the Italeri/Airfix DUKW that fix the wheelspacing issue. (I did a full set of correct DUKW wheels including inflation gear, but these are now available through Resicast.) One goal I have is a CCKW on 11.00-18 Military Desert ("DUKW") wheels and banjo axles, as tested by the US Army in 1943 - I'd need to offer modified wheels without the inflation gear for that.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/PZ4S2B86S/tamiya-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169101419&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TZ7Z57L6X/italeri-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169116007&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/FHTWA7X4M/dukw-suspension-correction-set-italeri-airfix-1-35?optionId=170369564&li=shops
Oh, and I'm working on a conversion set of axles and bits to convert the Italeri water tanker into a Chevy G7113 tractor! I know U-Model offers a full resin kit, but I prefer to use as much plastic as I can...
(I didn't bother with an axle set for the HB trucks, as their cabs are wrong. And I need to dig a Heller CCKW out of deep-stash to make a set for them...)
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If the HB cabs are so ate-up, then I’d like to see a AM company make a new cab for it.
Also-where can one find 1/35 plans for the Deuce?
Dan
Also-where can one find 1/35 plans for the Deuce?
Dan
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Quoted Text
Hi Mike and everybody,
Not sure if this is a truly dead thread, but you might be interested to know I've been designing up some CAD goodies for 3D printing at Shapeways! In 1:35 there is a set of "banjo" axles from Masters Productions, but they seem to have gone the way of the dodo, so I designed up drop-in replacement sets for both Tamiya and Italeri kits that give the axles and transfer case, and the front wheels are position-able. I also offer replacement rear springs and prop shafts for the Italeri/Airfix DUKW that fix the wheelspacing issue. (I did a full set of correct DUKW wheels including inflation gear, but these are now available through Resicast.) One goal I have is a CCKW on 11.00-18 Military Desert ("DUKW") wheels and banjo axles, as tested by the US Army in 1943 - I'd need to offer modified wheels without the inflation gear for that.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/PZ4S2B86S/tamiya-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169101419&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TZ7Z57L6X/italeri-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169116007&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/FHTWA7X4M/dukw-suspension-correction-set-italeri-airfix-1-35?optionId=170369564&li=shops
Oh, and I'm working on a conversion set of axles and bits to convert the Italeri water tanker into a Chevy G7113 tractor! I know U-Model offers a full resin kit, but I prefer to use as much plastic as I can...
(I didn't bother with an axle set for the HB trucks, as their cabs are wrong. And I need to dig a Heller CCKW out of deep-stash to make a set for them...)
Dude,
If you could scale that down to 1/48, I'd be down for a set. I'm converting Tamiya's 1/48 Deuce to a Chevy 4x4 and need the rear banjo axle. My attempts to scratchbuild one aren't bad, except for the ribbing on the pumpkin - not easy to replicate well in such a small scale. I've even tried to find the old Revell O scale/1:48 scale Chevy pickup, assuming the axle would have good detail, and can't even find that kit any more. If you do one, and can do it in 1/48, please let me know.
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A guy could spend alot of money on AM for the Tamiya kit-wheels, grills, axels, PE ..
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Not sure about good scale plans - but the cab issue was beat to death on the forums with measurements of real ones a while ago. Masters Productions did a resin cab, that might be available from U-Model now, but by far the easiest (and cheapest) solution is to get the cab, hood, and fenders from the Italeri kits, or the open cab set from the Tamiya kit, but then you're left with two good chassis and only one good cab...
1:48 is interesting, but to make sure it fits I'd need to get hold of a kit just to measure. I'm not a 1:48 builder, so it may be a while before I do that. And those ribs are already at the narrowness limit in 1:35! They'd be a challenge in the smaller scale.
1:48 is interesting, but to make sure it fits I'd need to get hold of a kit just to measure. I'm not a 1:48 builder, so it may be a while before I do that. And those ribs are already at the narrowness limit in 1:35! They'd be a challenge in the smaller scale.
panamadan
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 12:28 PM UTC
Can you provide a link to the 35th scale plans? I don't recall seeing any.
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 09:08 PM UTC
Sorry Dan, I don't have scale plans to link to. There are drawings on the web, but I can't vouch for them. The cab issue was spotted on this very topic (many pages ago) with pics overlaying images of the real cab door onto the kit part, showing how the HB door was narrow, and how the rest of the front sheet-metal was stretched to fill the gap.
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Posted: Saturday, August 01, 2020 - 11:26 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextHi Mike and everybody,
Not sure if this is a truly dead thread, but you might be interested to know I've been designing up some CAD goodies for 3D printing at Shapeways! In 1:35 there is a set of "banjo" axles from Masters Productions, but they seem to have gone the way of the dodo, so I designed up drop-in replacement sets for both Tamiya and Italeri kits that give the axles and transfer case, and the front wheels are position-able. I also offer replacement rear springs and prop shafts for the Italeri/Airfix DUKW that fix the wheelspacing issue. (I did a full set of correct DUKW wheels including inflation gear, but these are now available through Resicast.) One goal I have is a CCKW on 11.00-18 Military Desert ("DUKW") wheels and banjo axles, as tested by the US Army in 1943 - I'd need to offer modified wheels without the inflation gear for that.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/PZ4S2B86S/tamiya-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169101419&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TZ7Z57L6X/italeri-1-35-cckw-banjo-corporation-axles?optionId=169116007&li=shops
https://www.shapeways.com/product/FHTWA7X4M/dukw-suspension-correction-set-italeri-airfix-1-35?optionId=170369564&li=shops
Oh, and I'm working on a conversion set of axles and bits to convert the Italeri water tanker into a Chevy G7113 tractor! I know U-Model offers a full resin kit, but I prefer to use as much plastic as I can...
(I didn't bother with an axle set for the HB trucks, as their cabs are wrong. And I need to dig a Heller CCKW out of deep-stash to make a set for them...)
Dude,
If you could scale that down to 1/48, I'd be down for a set. I'm converting Tamiya's 1/48 Deuce to a Chevy 4x4 and need the rear banjo axle. My attempts to scratchbuild one aren't bad, except for the ribbing on the pumpkin - not easy to replicate well in such a small scale. I've even tried to find the old Revell O scale/1:48 scale Chevy pickup, assuming the axle would have good detail, and can't even find that kit any more. If you do one, and can do it in 1/48, please let me know.
As luck would have it a good friend just dropped off a 1:48 kit for me to measure! I'll scale down and adjust the parts before releasing them. Are you using the fuel tanker for the closed cab? I'm doing a full Chevy conversion set in 1:35 to make a tractor unit, but will be scaling those down to 1:48 too...
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Posted: Saturday, August 01, 2020 - 11:59 PM UTC
Well that's good news, and yes I use the fuel tanker for the closed cab. Working on a few different versions. I'm sure you have good references for that banjo axle. Even if the ribs are slightly overscale I could probably thin them out a bit with some judicious filing. I'll certainly buy one or two from you.
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