Hi guys!
Hope you will excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I was hoping this is the right place to ask. I want to build a model from Italeri's 6271 kit. The questions are:
-is it possible to install DEF Model CCKW wheels on it;
-can I use Hussar wheels for Studebaker instead(are they of the same size);
-if I want to purchase SKP lenses, is there a big difference between what they offer for CCKW and Studebaker kits.
Thanks in advance!
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One of my first thoughts was to fill up the gon with the many Sherman and Panzer parts in my spares box. Then it occurred to me these make-shift locomotives were used during the supply build up prior to D-Day. Therefore there would be very few "scrap parts" available from damaged Shermans and NO Panzer parts.
Right now my thoughts are turning more to old steam RR Locomotive drivers, connecting rods, etc.
A rusty old GMC engine is a great idea!
While rusty tank parts might look cool, in pre-invasion England would they have allowed valuable steel scrap to be left idle this way? My guess is they used rocks, bricks, broken concrete etc, with a sprinkling of truck wheels in case they needed to put it back on the tarmac.
As for raising the cab, is it possible to feed through the I-beams without lifting the bodywork? I know it would screw up all the linkages, but it would be easier to drop the cab onto the raised beams and fabricate a few new parts for the steering column and throttle. Besides, that gives the needed extra room under the wheel arches for the flanged RR wheels...
Just my 0.02 GBP!
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2016 - 04:57 PM UTC
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Hi guys!
Hope you will excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I was hoping this is the right place to ask. I want to build a model from Italeri's 6271 kit. The questions are:
-is it possible to install DEF Model CCKW wheels on it;
-can I use Hussar wheels for Studebaker instead(are they of the same size);
-if I want to purchase SKP lenses, is there a big difference between what they offer for CCKW and Studebaker kits.
Thanks in advance!
Hi, Wierdy! SLAVA UKRAIINA!
Yes, you should be able to use the DEF or HUSSAR CCKW-series Wheels/Tires sets on the ICM Studebaker US-6 and any ITALERI CCKW-series kit; I do, and they work just fine and they LOOK GREAT! As for the SKP lenses, they should work just fine as well. Headlights, Warning Lamps, Turn Signal Lamps and Reflectors were, and still are, manufactured to conform to uniform size requirements in order to keep the same parts inter-changeable between Military and Commercial vehicles, so you should have NO problems in using the SKP lenses...
PS- I like to use the ABER PE sets (for ITALERI) for the ITALERI/TAMIYA/HOBBY BOSS and HELLER CCKW-series kits. These are, by far, the best PE sets you can get for any US-built 2.5 Ton 6x6 on the market!
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2016 - 05:18 PM UTC
The hubs of the CCKW and the Studebaker US6 are different. If using Hussar Studebaker wheels, use them for a Studebaker. If using aftermarket CCKW wheels, use them for a CCKW. I would NOT switch between the two, personally.
For your Italeri 6271, used the DEF CCKW wheels. Save the Hussar Studer wheels for the ICM Studebaker kit
For your Italeri 6271, used the DEF CCKW wheels. Save the Hussar Studer wheels for the ICM Studebaker kit
Wierdy
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2016 - 05:41 PM UTC
Thank you for the info guys. Before asking about DEF wheels I had known they're great, it is unclear how easy/uneasy it is to install them onto the Italeri kit.
And that old Heller CCKW 353. How does it stand against Tamiya offering? Is it worth buying?
And that old Heller CCKW 353. How does it stand against Tamiya offering? Is it worth buying?
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2016 - 07:13 PM UTC
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One of my first thoughts was to fill up the gon with the many Sherman and Panzer parts in my spares box. Then it occurred to me these make-shift locomotives were used during the supply build up prior to D-Day. Therefore there would be very few "scrap parts" available from damaged Shermans and NO Panzer parts.
Right now my thoughts are turning more to old steam RR Locomotive drivers, connecting rods, etc.
A rusty old GMC engine is a great idea!
We had three M54 rail truck conversions in Korea 2 at at Camp Carroll and one at Pusan Army Depot. The weight in the back was made from high density concrete. Variable materials might look great, but in reality, they likely wouldn't have given the correct amount of weight needed for proper rail traction. Also, have you thought about sanders for your rail truck? Our M54s used a sanding box behind the cab, with a tube running from the box along the chassis to the front and rear wheels. Almost all motive power would include a sanding box for traction.
VR Russ
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 07:51 PM UTC
Russ - Yes. I think my "scrap" load is going to become more likely gravel mixed with large chunks of rock and broken sections of old brick walls, etc.
As to sanders, I had not thought of that! The old Italeri CCKW has a option to install sanders in front of the rear drive wheels but I never used them. I think it is time to check them out again and get some installed here!
Any photos of your rail converted M54's??????
As to sanders, I had not thought of that! The old Italeri CCKW has a option to install sanders in front of the rear drive wheels but I never used them. I think it is time to check them out again and get some installed here!
Any photos of your rail converted M54's??????
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Posted: Monday, June 13, 2016 - 12:00 AM UTC
Hi Mike
Don't remember if this one has been posted here already, but here it is anyway
"A K-43 line truck, which returned from the front lines as class "C" (salvage), has been modified and is used as a switch engine by the Base Depot, Korean Base Section.22 May 1953."
H.P.
Don't remember if this one has been posted here already, but here it is anyway
"A K-43 line truck, which returned from the front lines as class "C" (salvage), has been modified and is used as a switch engine by the Base Depot, Korean Base Section.22 May 1953."
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, June 13, 2016 - 08:47 PM UTC
Love that photo Frenchy! It sends the idea of a CCKW locomotive in a whole new direction AND who would ever have thought they would mount a line truck box body on a SWB Deuce? Two revelations in one photo!
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Posted: Monday, June 13, 2016 - 08:48 PM UTC
Another option for a CCKW fuel truck and trailer combo:
You can get a resin version of this fuel trailer and dolly through Scale-Link in the UK.
You can get a resin version of this fuel trailer and dolly through Scale-Link in the UK.
Wierdy
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Posted: Monday, June 13, 2016 - 09:21 PM UTC
It might have been mentioned before...
http://karopka.ru/community/user/7295/?p=2&MODEL=321694
http://karopka.ru/forum/forum262/topic14791/
http://karopka.ru/community/user/7295/?p=2&MODEL=321694
http://karopka.ru/forum/forum262/topic14791/
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 - 06:38 PM UTC
Posted before but well worth another look. - Excellent scratch work!
I like seeing the CCKW with the later large shelter body instead of the more often seen "shop/office" body.
I like seeing the CCKW with the later large shelter body instead of the more often seen "shop/office" body.
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2016 - 06:33 PM UTC
Not a GM Deuce but still a beauty!
Many more amazing David D. Jackson photos can be viewed at:
http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/ford.htm
( David D. Jackson photos reproduced here are for discussion purposes only )
Many more amazing David D. Jackson photos can be viewed at:
http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/ford.htm
( David D. Jackson photos reproduced here are for discussion purposes only )
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2016 - 10:22 PM UTC
This is a webpage (more like a web book!) that I am going to want to bookmark and go back to many times in the future.
Excellent work Mr. Jackson!
Excellent work Mr. Jackson!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 02:25 AM UTC
Interesting trailer for a CCKW to tow...
Unusual load...
The helicopter is a Sikorsky R-4 :
H.P.
Unusual load...
The helicopter is a Sikorsky R-4 :
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 05:29 PM UTC
Would like to know how the steering works on that trailer! Both end steer obviously but no rear driver required. It must have some sort of linkage between the front and rear bogies. The claim that it exactly follows the track of the tow vehicle reminds me of the claims regarding the LeTourneau "Land Train".
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 06:09 PM UTC
Talking about Le Tourneau stuff, here a crash crane in action in Balikpapan, Borneo. :
H.P.
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 06:42 PM UTC
October '44. Cool!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 07:28 PM UTC
I've just noticed the Closed cab CCKW in the last picture I've posted had its roof chopped off. Such mod could be seen in Australia. Here's another Deuce modified by GM-Holden :
H.P.
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 09:00 PM UTC
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Talking about Le Tourneau stuff, here a crash crane in action in Balikpapan, Borneo. :
H.P.
Frenchy, now darn it; you're just trying to tempt me to build that crane! I'm thinking . . . I'm thinking . . . (I already have a set of resin tires left over from the front dolly wheels for my 20 ton flatbed trailer that would probably work!)
The more I look at it the more I like it!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 10:28 PM UTC
Just when I was about ready to give up the internet search: BINGO!
Some of these cranes appear to have been built without the rear load bed on the Deuce. In fact one crane simply had a large rock straddling the rear frame members of the truck as a counter weight. It appears there was a driveshaft coming up through the center bearing of the crane swivel from the truck's PTO to drive the double drum winch.
Clearly the crane rotated freely, 360 degrees so when the job was done the truck simply made a wide U-turn and the crane followed the truck back to the shop! Maximum rated lift capacity with boom fully retracted: 10 tons!
This photo is credited to "EMC" via Warbirds.net. The crane is owned by Wilson's Steel, Cabarita, Australia.
Used here for discussion purposes ONLY.
Some of these cranes appear to have been built without the rear load bed on the Deuce. In fact one crane simply had a large rock straddling the rear frame members of the truck as a counter weight. It appears there was a driveshaft coming up through the center bearing of the crane swivel from the truck's PTO to drive the double drum winch.
Clearly the crane rotated freely, 360 degrees so when the job was done the truck simply made a wide U-turn and the crane followed the truck back to the shop! Maximum rated lift capacity with boom fully retracted: 10 tons!
This photo is credited to "EMC" via Warbirds.net. The crane is owned by Wilson's Steel, Cabarita, Australia.
Used here for discussion purposes ONLY.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 11:22 PM UTC
Now I am visualizing this crane truck lifting a complete Piper L-4 with a crumpled landing gear.
(Correct me if I am wrong - PLEASE - but the US L-4 Grasshopper and the German Storch - Fi 156 - are the only two WWII aircraft available in 1/35th? Is that correct?)
Wouldn't mind having an excuse to build a captured/crashed Storch.
(Correct me if I am wrong - PLEASE - but the US L-4 Grasshopper and the German Storch - Fi 156 - are the only two WWII aircraft available in 1/35th? Is that correct?)
Wouldn't mind having an excuse to build a captured/crashed Storch.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 11:28 PM UTC
The Le Tourneau crane appears to be a SC10 :
I guess you're right about the L-4 and the Storch...
H.P.
I guess you're right about the L-4 and the Storch...
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 11:47 PM UTC
These crane trucks seem to have been available built on just about any medium/heavy truck frame: GMC, FWD or C60X. I even saw one built on a wartime Studebaker!
One fellow was saying they are definitely NOT from LeTourneau and claimed that they were a home grown Australian product. Certainly possible.
I can't say but if I learn more I will report.
One fellow was saying they are definitely NOT from LeTourneau and claimed that they were a home grown Australian product. Certainly possible.
I can't say but if I learn more I will report.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 12:03 AM UTC
Appearently the Letourneau offering (the Tournacrane or Bomber Crane) was much larger and self powered.
If they offered smaller aircraft cranes I have not found them as yet.
If they offered smaller aircraft cranes I have not found them as yet.
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